Donate to DU!
Democratic Underground Latest Threads
Latest		 Greatest Threads
Greatest		 Lobby
Lobby		 Journals
Journals		 Search
Search		 Options
Options		 Help
Help		 Login
Login
Google

Why did anyone WANT an "unrecommend" feature, anyway?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread		 This topic is archived.
First thread | Last thread
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 05:40 PM
Original message
Why did anyone WANT an "unrecommend" feature, anyway?
It just seems like a pointlessly negative thing. What threads did anybody start that other people felt they HAD to have another way of suppressing?

What brought this on, exactly?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
   Replies to this thread
   Maybe they want to be like Digg and Reddit.  Towlie   Jul-09-09 05:42 PM   #1 
   Yep, or Slashdot, or Amazon ratings or any of the many other sites on the web...  ContinentalOp   Jul-09-09 07:16 PM   #102 
   Easy....because a certain group of people are tired of seeing objectivity  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 05:42 PM   #2 
   Yup. That's what I'd say, too.  FiveGoodMen   Jul-09-09 05:43 PM   #5 
   +1  girl gone mad   Jul-09-09 05:44 PM   #7 
   yep...'xactly  ixion   Jul-09-09 05:47 PM   #15 
   Oh noes!!1 Teh clicks! teh clicks!!!111!  Iggo   Jul-09-09 07:55 PM   #111 
   I'd like to see one for individual responses  Kingofalldems   Jul-09-09 05:43 PM   #3 
   Some people felt there was too much "unfair" criticism of Obama making it to the Greatest Page  Mojambo   Jul-09-09 05:43 PM   #4 
   they're the chris crocker GD:P types  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 05:45 PM   #8 
   I don't know that reference. n/t  Mojambo   Jul-09-09 05:46 PM   #10 
      remember the "leave britney alone" guy?  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 05:47 PM   #14 
      Ah. I always thought that was a girl.  Mojambo   Jul-09-09 05:54 PM   #31 
      Here's the link to the ref:  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 05:50 PM   #22 
   From comments in threads about this, it appears to be about "Obama bashing"  omega minimo   Jul-09-09 05:50 PM   #20 
      That, and any criticism of the two party system in general.  Echo In Light   Jul-09-09 06:28 PM   #84 
         There's two?  omega minimo   Jul-09-09 06:39 PM   #93 
            Ha, well, you know what I'm driving at. Actually this new option only highlights the differences..  Echo In Light   Jul-09-09 06:42 PM   #96 
               We'll see.  omega minimo   Jul-09-09 06:48 PM   #97 
   Exactly. Been wondering why this was needed.  timeforpeace   Jul-09-09 05:43 PM   #6 
   I think it was about the "greatest" page  SoCalDem   Jul-09-09 05:45 PM   #9 
   Because a disruptor and five friends could take tasteless OPs to the Greatest Page  scheming daemons   Jul-09-09 05:46 PM   #11 
   Yeah and that happened ALL the time  tkmorris   Jul-09-09 05:48 PM   #18 
   his example is someone posting a holocaust denial thread  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 05:50 PM   #21 
      Uh, could you clue in the rest of the class?  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 05:51 PM   #24 
      Obviously not....mr. daemons has been using that as an example in his defense of the system  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 05:53 PM   #28 
         That was one extreme example... here's another....  scheming daemons   Jul-09-09 06:02 PM   #52 
            Isn't the "alert" feature counterbalance enough?  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 06:08 PM   #65 
               "Counterbalance" doesn't matter for those who prefer to deem leftists as "whiners" a la Repug style  Echo In Light   Jul-09-09 06:31 PM   #90 
      That's an extreme example, to be sure.....  scheming daemons   Jul-09-09 05:52 PM   #25 
   "Tasteless"? That's not something the Admins and Mods could address? What are you talking about?  omega minimo   Jul-09-09 05:51 PM   #23 
   I can count the number of "tasteless" threads I've seen on one hand.  girl gone mad   Jul-09-09 06:02 PM   #50 
      It's called REACHING in order to dodge the real reason some are sooo happy over the unrec option  Echo In Light   Jul-09-09 06:34 PM   #92 
   It could be part of the "Hope, Change"movement. n/t  jody   Jul-09-09 05:47 PM   #12 
   I hadn't really thought about it until the feature came out...  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-09 05:47 PM   #13 
   You can do that by DEBATING the people pushing in the opposite way  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 05:53 PM   #29 
      Why not allow pushing against in ALL WAYS that people are able to push pro?  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-09 05:56 PM   #33 
      Is it ever really necessary to try to stop a discussion on DU?  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 06:02 PM   #51 
         As soon as you tell me how unrec stops a discussion, I'll take you seriously...  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-09 06:09 PM   #67 
            Allowing an organized campaign to keep threads OFF the Greatest page  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 06:13 PM   #72 
               Is no different from allowing an organized campaign to keep threads ON the Greatest. Durr.  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-09 06:15 PM   #73 
                  You have never provided a single example of a thread that justified "unrecommending"  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 06:19 PM   #76 
                     Right after you point me to a discussion that's been silenced by unrec.  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-09 06:22 PM   #79 
                        That's the only reason to have an unrec function and you know it.  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 06:26 PM   #81 
                           Show me a discussion that's been silenced because of unrec.  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-09 06:27 PM   #82 
                              "unrec" just started today. It's too early.  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 06:28 PM   #85 
                                 Gotcha. Let me know when it happens.  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-09 06:29 PM   #87 
                                 Why should censorship be given the benefit of the doubt?  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 07:28 PM   #103 
                                    Um, giving MORE people a voice in what goes to Greatest is the OPPOSITE of censorship.  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-09 07:31 PM   #104 
                                       If their using their voice to restrict other people's voices from being heard  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 07:35 PM   #105 
                                          So you want to restrict people who wish to unrec's voices from being heard...  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-09 07:53 PM   #110 
                                             Yes, because those who want to "unrec" are censors, and we don't NEED censors here.  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 07:56 PM   #112 
                                 Perhaps also too early for you to judge how it will play out  anigbrowl   Jul-09-09 06:54 PM   #100 
                                    Why are you such a fan of the idea?  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 07:36 PM   #106 
                                       Because there are many stupid posts that don't deserve to go on the greatest page  anigbrowl   Jul-09-09 07:50 PM   #107 
                                       "President Obama has never been the victim of unfair criticism here"....  BlooInBloo   Jul-09-09 07:52 PM   #108 
                                          Evidently not, since you've provided no examples.  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 08:03 PM   #115 
      Why should a small cabal be able to RAISE any thread they like to the Greatest page?  denem   Jul-09-09 05:57 PM   #35 
      threads that get 100+ recs are a "small cabal"?????  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 05:58 PM   #39 
      The greatest page is 5.  denem   Jul-09-09 06:00 PM   #46 
      Yes, but a lot of the threads that people want to get rid of (those critical of Obama) often got 100  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 06:05 PM   #59 
      Do you know that?  LynneSin   Jul-09-09 06:06 PM   #60 
         start an opposing thread then.  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 06:07 PM   #63 
            Scared of people having a chance to react to what you have to say?  LynneSin   Jul-09-09 06:12 PM   #70 
      Er. because starting a discussion is a positve act while preventing one is a negative act?  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 06:00 PM   #42 
      Because starting a discussion does no harm, whereas stopping one usually does.  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 08:13 PM   #119 
      how can a small cabal block a thread from the greatest page?  Orangepeel   Jul-09-09 06:06 PM   #62 
   I wanted one  Turbineguy   Jul-09-09 05:47 PM   #16 
   why not?  anigbrowl   Jul-09-09 05:48 PM   #17 
   Why isn't it enough to express that by debating the posters they find idiotic?  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 06:05 PM   #57 
      You could ask the same about positive support  anigbrowl   Jul-09-09 06:07 PM   #64 
   Always with the negative vibes Moriarty  IADEMO2004   Jul-09-09 05:50 PM   #19 
   I'm guessing that certain topics showing up on the Home Page were making certain factions  scarletwoman   Jul-09-09 05:52 PM   #26 
   +1 -- they have no counter-arguments besides personal attacks  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 05:56 PM   #32 
   I hate to disappoint you but it's a two way street  LynneSin   Jul-09-09 06:01 PM   #47 
      So? I've never complained about posts I don't agree with appearing on the Home Page.  scarletwoman   Jul-09-09 06:33 PM   #91 
   2 are better than 1?  Life Long Dem   Jul-09-09 05:53 PM   #27 
   It keeps highly polarizing flamewars from clogging the Greatest Page.  Odin2005   Jul-09-09 05:54 PM   #30 
   +1  redqueen   Jul-09-09 05:58 PM   #38 
   +100  scheming daemons   Jul-09-09 06:03 PM   #53 
   Exactly. nt  anonymous171   Jul-09-09 06:13 PM   #71 
   Isn't it enough that the mods shut those threads off as soon as they start?  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 06:27 PM   #83 
      !  redqueen   Jul-09-09 06:29 PM   #86 
   DLC rah rahs thought they had enough influence to keep threads off the greatest page  Individualist   Jul-09-09 05:57 PM   #34 
   turns out they do  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 05:57 PM   #36 
   Not this one...  Individualist   Jul-09-09 06:01 PM   #48 
      Exactly.... and so threads that reflect the majority opinion of DUers will be on the greatest page  scheming daemons   Jul-09-09 06:04 PM   #55 
   Nailed it. nt  LWolf   Jul-09-09 06:00 PM   #43 
   Because I'm tired of not having a say when I see crap on the DU home page  LynneSin   Jul-09-09 05:57 PM   #37 
   see this is so typical -- according to a lot of you, all criticism MUST be coming from the right  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 06:03 PM   #54 
      Wow, put words much into other folks mouth?  LynneSin   Jul-09-09 06:08 PM   #66 
   I've never understood "The Greatest" page in the first place  Hippo_Tron   Jul-09-09 05:58 PM   #40 
   Suppression is not a good thing.  LWolf   Jul-09-09 05:59 PM   #41 
   Please explain to me how this works  aaaaaa5a   Jul-09-09 06:00 PM   #44 
   Yes, I like it  NeedleCast   Jul-09-09 06:00 PM   #45 
   It would have been nice when the Greatest Page was flooded with "Hey gays, STFU!" threads.  PeaceNikki   Jul-09-09 06:02 PM   #49 
   now it's just going to be used as a tool to do just that.  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 06:04 PM   #56 
      Really.... threads criticizing Obama will be deleted from DU?  scheming daemons   Jul-09-09 06:06 PM   #61 
         Moving them off the Greatest page is the same as silencing those threads  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 08:02 PM   #114 
            And why should threads that only have the support of 5 or 6 nimrods out of thousands of DUers make  scheming daemons   Jul-09-09 11:05 PM   #123 
               Why not?  Ken Burch   Jul-10-09 04:18 PM   #124 
   Because it bums some people out  Jakes Progress   Jul-09-09 06:05 PM   #58 
   +1,000,000  FLAprogressive   Jul-09-09 06:10 PM   #68 
   I prefer a +/- for individual posters... LOL but, I guess they wanted to avoid  Divine Discontent   Jul-09-09 06:11 PM   #69 
   If the point of the recommend is to have DU'ers decide  Hansel   Jul-09-09 06:18 PM   #74 
   Because people get to voice their opinion on the  sufrommich   Jul-09-09 06:18 PM   #75 
   Good Question. n/t  OhioChick   Jul-09-09 06:20 PM   #77 
   Passive agression and cowardly face slapping  Stinky The Clown   Jul-09-09 06:21 PM   #78 
   Because there was a lack of drama here.  Adsos Letter   Jul-09-09 06:25 PM   #80 
   so this ancient codebase can finally start acting like web 2.0  Teaser   Jul-09-09 06:31 PM   #88 
   This is so interesting. Yesterday I posted a thread about the Honduran coupster  EFerrari   Jul-09-09 06:31 PM   #89 
   Perfect example. The organized RW disruptors now have a great new tool to prevent the truth  scarletwoman   Jul-09-09 06:39 PM   #94 
      More, they tried to down a thread defending Obama.  EFerrari   Jul-09-09 06:42 PM   #95 
   Why? To keep stupid shit off the GP. n/t  Fire1   Jul-09-09 06:49 PM   #98 
   And those who favor the "unrecommend" features are the only ones who can judge this?  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 08:33 PM   #122 
   yea.. the Freepers wanted it..!!  sam sarrha   Jul-09-09 06:49 PM   #99 
   Did yu read Skinner's original thread??????  dixiegrrrrl   Jul-09-09 07:14 PM   #101 
   Ken, read this please:  Poll_Blind   Jul-09-09 07:53 PM   #109 
   OK, Skinner seems to have freaked in those threads  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 07:59 PM   #113 
   Why can't your thread be recommended?  Better Believe It   Jul-09-09 08:05 PM   #116 
   There was a thread today  reflection   Jul-09-09 08:05 PM   #117 
   I respect your wish to protect your child  Ken Burch   Jul-09-09 08:14 PM   #120 
      Profanity is not against DU rules.  reflection   Jul-09-09 08:18 PM   #121 
   Like T-Rex has a big head and little arm's  Milspec   Jul-09-09 08:13 PM   #118 
 
Towlie (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:42 PM
Response to Original message
1. Maybe they want to be like Digg and Reddit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #1
102. Yep, or Slashdot, or Amazon ratings or any of the many other sites on the web...
that have been using this sort of system for years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:42 PM
Response to Original message
2. Easy....because a certain group of people are tired of seeing objectivity
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Yup. That's what I'd say, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. +1
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #2
15. yep...'xactly
+1
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #2
111. Oh noes!!1 Teh clicks! teh clicks!!!111!
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:43 PM
Response to Original message
3. I'd like to see one for individual responses
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:43 PM
Response to Original message
4. Some people felt there was too much "unfair" criticism of Obama making it to the Greatest Page
Edited on Thu Jul-09-09 05:44 PM by Mojambo
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. they're the chris crocker GD:P types
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. I don't know that reference. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. remember the "leave britney alone" guy?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
31. Ah. I always thought that was a girl.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #10
22. Here's the link to the ref:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=rela...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #4
20. From comments in threads about this, it appears to be about "Obama bashing"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #20
84. That, and any criticism of the two party system in general.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #84
93. There's two?
:wow: :bounce:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #93
96. Ha, well, you know what I'm driving at. Actually this new option only highlights the differences..
...that moderates would just as soon ignore or deny, so it may not be such a bad thing. Who knows?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. We'll see.
:pals:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:43 PM
Response to Original message
6. Exactly. Been wondering why this was needed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:45 PM
Response to Original message
9. I think it was about the "greatest" page
I never "go" there, but I guess there were times when all/most/some of the threads that showed up there, were excessively "the same"..

I've always wished we just had a number rating 1-10, and that it took a 7 or better to get to the "page"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:46 PM
Response to Original message
11. Because a disruptor and five friends could take tasteless OPs to the Greatest Page
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. Yeah and that happened ALL the time
Give it up. Seriously.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. his example is someone posting a holocaust denial thread
LOL.

Like someone who posted a Holocaust denial thread wouldn't immediately get TS'ed let alone 5 recs.

we all know why this was implemented.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Uh, could you clue in the rest of the class?
Was there some "Greatest" thread that was particularly evil recently?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #24
28. Obviously not....mr. daemons has been using that as an example in his defense of the system
however.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #28
52. That was one extreme example... here's another....

OP in which poster says "Obama is secretly a Kenyan-born usurper who was chosen by Big Money at the expense of REAL progressives"


EASILY at least five people on DU would recommend.


With no counterbalance, that tripe ends up on the greatest page.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #52
65. Isn't the "alert" feature counterbalance enough?
And why even worry about a thread like that(other than the fact that it was only Republicans who ever questioned Obama's citizenship)since the mods would immediately lock it?

Really, no actual DU thread has ever been all that unfair about President Obama. And President Obama has made it clear that he doesn't want discussion and debate to ever be restricted, so you're dishonoring him in supporting things like this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #65
90. "Counterbalance" doesn't matter for those who prefer to deem leftists as "whiners" a la Repug style
Upon browsing the threads pertaining to this I noticed how those who are so gleeful re this un-Rec option are quick to call those questioning it "whiners," a long time fave insult used by rightward types against progressives/leftists.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. That's an extreme example, to be sure.....

But valid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #11
23. "Tasteless"? That's not something the Admins and Mods could address? What are you talking about?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
50. I can count the number of "tasteless" threads I've seen on one hand.
If that was the reason, then it was poorly conceived.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #50
92. It's called REACHING in order to dodge the real reason some are sooo happy over the unrec option
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jody Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:47 PM
Response to Original message
12. It could be part of the "Hope, Change"movement. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:47 PM
Response to Original message
13. I hadn't really thought about it until the feature came out...
But it makes perfect sense to me. If people are allowed to push one direction, why shouldn't people be allowed to push the other direction?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #13
29. You can do that by DEBATING the people pushing in the opposite way
Why should a small cabal be able to BLOCK any thread they don't like from the Greatest page?

You're assuming the motives of "unrecommenders" would automatically be purer and more honorable than "recommenders".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. Why not allow pushing against in ALL WAYS that people are able to push pro?
I assume the motives of either side are equally honorable or dishonorable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #33
51. Is it ever really necessary to try to stop a discussion on DU?
That's the only point of "unrecommending"-to prevent those you disagree with from getting a hearing.

Can you please name any thread(other than ones that are obviously offensive in a personal way or are examples of bigotry)that NEEDS to be blocked on DU?

What, exactly, are you so scared of having people say on this board?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #51
67. As soon as you tell me how unrec stops a discussion, I'll take you seriously...
Really, taking you seriously in the first place was my mistake. My apologies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #67
72. Allowing an organized campaign to keep threads OFF the Greatest page
reduces the number of people who know a thread exists. The only reason anyone would WANT to keep a thread off the Greatest page is to choke it off.

Why is that necessary? Why assume you can't win a debate on the merits of your case? And isn't it just silly to imply that President Obama is the victim of unfair attacks here on DU?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. Is no different from allowing an organized campaign to keep threads ON the Greatest. Durr.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. You have never provided a single example of a thread that justified "unrecommending"
You have an obligation to do so. Or admit that no such threads have ever existed.

President Obama doesn't want discussion silenced in this party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. Right after you point me to a discussion that's been silenced by unrec.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. That's the only reason to have an unrec function and you know it.
There's no difference between pushing a thread off the Greatest page and choking it off. You only want the ability to do that because you want to block any discussion you disagree with. Your antidemocratic comment about "sowing dissent" showed your true colors. Dissent is the only reason for our party to exist.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. Show me a discussion that's been silenced because of unrec.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. "unrec" just started today. It's too early.
You have to show an example of threads where "unrec" was actually necessary first. You can't, because you know there aren't any. You know it's enough to be able to "alert".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #85
87. Gotcha. Let me know when it happens.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #87
103. Why should censorship be given the benefit of the doubt?
If you can't point to a single thread that actually deserved "unrecommending" how can you make an argument for having "unrecommending"?

It's a solution without a problem.

And the idea that President Obama has been a victim of some kind of orchestrated persecution on DU is as silly as the arguments in 2006 that Ned Lamont's primary challenge to Joe Lieberman was a Green Party/GOP plot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. Um, giving MORE people a voice in what goes to Greatest is the OPPOSITE of censorship.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #104
105. If their using their voice to restrict other people's voices from being heard
(which you know is the only reason anyone would ever use "unrec), than it is censorship. It doesn't stop being censorship just because a large group supports it.

And you've effectively admitted that "unrec" is unnecessary by your inability to point out any thread that would justify it.

Nobody has persecuted President Obama on DU.

"unrec" can never be a positive choice.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #105
110. So you want to restrict people who wish to unrec's voices from being heard...
And thereby you are a champion of free speech.

Gotcha.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #110
112. Yes, because those who want to "unrec" are censors, and we don't NEED censors here.
There's no one on DU who's rights can ONLY be protected by allowing them to block threads from reaching the "Greatest Page".

You're assuming there's some large group here who's been victimized by open discussion of the issues. There hasn't been. At least not in THIS party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #85
100. Perhaps also too early for you to judge how it will play out
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #100
106. Why are you such a fan of the idea?
You know perfectly well that President Obama has never been the victim of unfair criticism here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #106
107. Because there are many stupid posts that don't deserve to go on the greatest page
And I haven't said a darn thing about President Obama, nor does it especially bother me if people criticize him. As I think I said elsewhere, I see this causing a decline in the following kinds of posts (among others):

K+R if you want to agree with my slogan!
How the FUCK for the GOP still EXIST?!?! (rant rant, no real content)
Light spotted in sky, must be an alien spaceship amirite?
Urgent news story!!! HUGH!1! (but it's from this day last year and I forgot to look at the year)
I can't string a sentence together but I'm going to post 400 words on something anyway
My thread is exactly like the 4 other threads because I never check for duplicates
Important HUGH thread based on discredited rumor or website
I found mold in my bathroom, obviously put there by the CIA

...and so on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 07:52 PM
Response to Reply #106
108. "President Obama has never been the victim of unfair criticism here"....
That's a joke, right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #108
115. Evidently not, since you've provided no examples.
n/t.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
denem (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. Why should a small cabal be able to RAISE any thread they like to the Greatest page?
Same argument, only more so.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. threads that get 100+ recs are a "small cabal"?????
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
denem (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #39
46. The greatest page is 5.
Not talking about a 100 recs - A small cabal could NOT take that off the greatest page.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #46
59. Yes, but a lot of the threads that people want to get rid of (those critical of Obama) often got 100
plus recs.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #39
60. Do you know that?
To be honest you have a valid point; however, you can get on the top of the list with sometimes as little as 30-40 recommendations. Last time I made it to the top 5 for the DU page (the big headlines) I got there with just over 30 votes.

But if something things something is 'the greatest' shouldn't the rest of DU have a voice to say if they agree or don't agree? Allowing all sides of an arguement to weigh into a debate and have a voice in the quality of the article means that the best of DU will make the home page and not just a small group trying to push an agenda.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. start an opposing thread then.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #63
70. Scared of people having a chance to react to what you have to say?
Worried now you can't push threads to the home page?

Thin skin and don't like criticism?

I had a post in the lounge with 24 unrecommendations and I just laughed my ass off at it (but the lounge is a different world).

Why not have debate within the thread and let all of DU decide what is on the DU homepage? If my threads don't make it because of this new system them perhaps I'm not sharing information that people found useful and wanted to ensure that all visitors coming to DU will see. The homepage is the first page that new visitors see when they discover DU. Why not put the very best of DU writing on the homepage instead of reactionary threads and "K&R" attempts for attention.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #35
42. Er. because starting a discussion is a positve act while preventing one is a negative act?
And because no good comes of preventing threads from reaching the Greatest page.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #35
119. Because starting a discussion does no harm, whereas stopping one usually does.
Silence never serves progressive goals.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #29
62. how can a small cabal block a thread from the greatest page?
that would be true if any thread getting five "unrecommends" was automatically blocked, but that's not the case. A small cabal can't block anything. All members of such a cabal could do would be to vote and they could easily be outvoted.

Obviously, opinions vary, but I think it is reasonable for a thread identified as one of DU's "greatest" to have at least five more people who like it than who don't.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:47 PM
Response to Original message
16. I wanted one
so I could be contrary and recommend wildly unpopular posts. :evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:48 PM
Response to Original message
17. why not?
Most social websites where voting is implemented let people express both positive and negative opinions. Negative opinions are not somehow less valid. I haven't asked for it BTW, I just think it's a good idea and I did the last time it was implemented too. If someone posts something which others find idiotic they have as much right to express that opinion as something they find excellent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #17
57. Why isn't it enough to express that by debating the posters they find idiotic?
Why should suppressing a discussion(and reducing the number of people who know of a threads existence by forcing it off the greatest page is suppression)by an acceptable tactic?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #57
64. You could ask the same about positive support
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Personally, I don't give a shit about the greatest page and have never ever used it as a guide to quality.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IADEMO2004 (839 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:50 PM
Response to Original message
19. Always with the negative vibes Moriarty
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:52 PM
Response to Original message
26. I'm guessing that certain topics showing up on the Home Page were making certain factions
around here unhappy.

Now they won't have to go to the trouble of actually posting on a thread to present a counter argument, they can just pm all their buddies to swarm a thread with "unrecs" and make sure it never shows up on the front page of DU.

sw
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. +1 -- they have no counter-arguments besides personal attacks
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #26
47. I hate to disappoint you but it's a two way street
DU home page should be for the best stuff that appeals to all of DU and not just a select thru. Isn't the point of democracy that we can debate the issues. If you post a thread that a large group of people disagree with you, why shouldn't that side also have a voice as to what goes on the DU home page.

And I don't know you that well, I'm sure you're a great person who has written some excellent stuff. But I saw this during the primaries and it was bad. Team Hillary would push their anti-Obama stuff to the home page only to have team Obama do the same with anti-Hillary. If anything, that kind of reactionary stuff would be kept off of DU homepage but still has a right to be in DU.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #47
91. So? I've never complained about posts I don't agree with appearing on the Home Page.
I'm not the one who needs be reminded that "it's a two-way street" -- tell that to the folks who can't bear to see dissenting viewpoints.

And what happened during the primaries is irrelevant, that was well over a year ago, this is about discussions on DU now.

If a post makes it to the Front Page because a sufficient number of people agreed with it and recommended it, that ought to be good enough for everybody. People clicking on that post can read any contrary opinions posted in that thread just as well as they can read the supporting opinions.

To institute a function whereby one faction of DUers can anonymously blackball an otherwise popular thread strikes me as extremely undemocratic -- not to mention a chickenshit.

sw
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:53 PM
Response to Original message
27. 2 are better than 1?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:54 PM
Response to Original message
30. It keeps highly polarizing flamewars from clogging the Greatest Page.Updated at 7:36 PM
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. +1
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #30
53. +100
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #30
71. Exactly. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #30
83. Isn't it enough that the mods shut those threads off as soon as they start?
n/t.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. !
:spray:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:57 PM
Response to Original message
34. DLC rah rahs thought they had enough influence to keep threads off the greatest page
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. turns out they do
Edited on Thu Jul-09-09 05:57 PM by FLAprogressive
:scared:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #36
48. Not this one...
Edited on Thu Jul-09-09 06:02 PM by Individualist
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/10/kucinich_see_...

or this one - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

For the time being, progressives outnumber DLCers on this site.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #48
55. Exactly.... and so threads that reflect the majority opinion of DUers will be on the greatest page
...and what's wrong with that?


Got a problem with Democracy?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #34
43. Nailed it. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 05:57 PM
Response to Original message
37. Because I'm tired of not having a say when I see crap on the DU home page
Stop assuming everything that makes it there is widely accepted by all DUers. I'm annoyed by these "K&R if you blah blah blah" threads. You know if your thread is that much appreciated and respected by all DUers then it'll get on the home page.

A perfect example of why we need this feature was from a month or so ago when accusations came out that Nancy Pelosi was very aware of the torture hearings that occured during the Bush administration. Pelosi is already a polarizing woman here at DU so a concept like seemed like something that some DUers wanted to send off to the DU home page immediately. However, people didn't read the arguement and notice that this accusation was coming from the GOP. Funny how the GOP would want to say something to discredit Pelosi.

So instead we're stuck with this article on the home page in the top threads and well we look stupid because 50+ some people just saw 'Impeach Pelosi she knew about Torture blah blah blah' and never bothered to read the article. Eventually it came out that indeed Pelosi was not involved.

Thing is, stuff like that would be kept off the DU home page if there was a system that would allow people to disagree with the validity of a thread. The DU homepage should be for the best stuff we post here at DU NOT for people to use it to push their agenda. We saw that during the Obama/Clinton Primaries.

As for having someone unrecommend you - get a thicker skin. I posted a thread in the lounge that got 24 unrecommendations (before Skinner fixed that) and I just laughed about it.

I want good stuff on DU home page, not embarassment from people who are pushing an agenda with reactionary threads. The homepage is the first stop for hundreds of new visitors each day - let's show them the best DU has to offer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #37
54. see this is so typical -- according to a lot of you, all criticism MUST be coming from the right
any left-wing critics of Obama are automatically labeled "freepers".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #54
66. Wow, put words much into other folks mouth?
What if myself and my 30 closest friends of the DLC wanted to push our agenda on the home page? Last time I made the home page to the top tier post it was just over 30 recommendations. It could be done.

The example I gave was about a mislead by the GOP. I have no problem with people who oppose Nancy Pelosi when it's with facts and not smears by the GOP. Even the CIA has come out and said that Pelosi was not involved.

And btw, my only definition is that I'm a democrat. I support all democrats, I support the party but yeah even I get pissed at them too!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:58 PM
Response to Original message
40. I've never understood "The Greatest" page in the first place
Topics that are the most compelling should in theory attract the most discussion and thus get the most replies. Just go to the forum of your choice and the threads that are constantly getting replies will keep bouncing to the top, or look for the ones with the "flame" next to them.

Certainly there are compelling topics that don't get a whole lot of replies but those don't usually get a whole lot of recs either.

Since I don't use the greatest page, I kind of assumed the whole idea behind "unreccomend" was to get rid of Michael Jackson threads and such.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 05:59 PM
Response to Original message
41. Suppression is not a good thing.
IMO.

:(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:00 PM
Response to Original message
44. Please explain to me how this works


I don't understand why there are no threads with a negative number (-2,-5,-8 etc.). All I see are + numbers, 0 and <0.



For instance, can you have dueling "recommends?" One poster hits a thread with a negative -1. And then another 2 posters hit it with a positive, to bring the thread to +1?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:00 PM
Response to Original message
45. Yes, I like it
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:02 PM
Response to Original message
49. It would have been nice when the Greatest Page was flooded with "Hey gays, STFU!" threads.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #49
56. now it's just going to be used as a tool to do just that.
any criticism of Obama from the LGBT community WILL be silenced.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. Really.... threads criticizing Obama will be deleted from DU?

People who post in those threads will have their posting privileges revoked?


REALLY?


SILENCED?


Using hyperbole like the word "silenced" hurts your case.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #61
114. Moving them off the Greatest page is the same as silencing those threads
The difference between banning those threads and restricting people's awareness of them by allowing a group to kick them off the page is a difference only of degree.

And it's total hypocrisy to say that the "unrec" function is necessary to protect some people's views and then to insist that letting people kick threads off the Greatest Page will have no effect on the survival of the threads. You can't have it both ways, people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #114
123. And why should threads that only have the support of 5 or 6 nimrods out of thousands of DUers make
the Greatest Page?


And I include nimrods of all political stripes across the entire spectrum.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Jul-10-09 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #123
124. Why not?
The idea is that those five people(and in most cases threads on the Greatest Page got many many more rec's than just the five)represent probably a lot of other people who hadn't posted as yet, or the idea that a particular thread may be worthy of larger circulation.

Given that those threads that just barely make the list with only 5 recs slide down the queue and die out from lack of response anyway, what(I ask again)are you so bloody afraid of? How has our party ever benefited in the past from limiting discussion and expression?

It's a solution without a problem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:05 PM
Response to Original message
58. Because it bums some people out
that other people have different ideas. This way we can be all neutral and plain. This way we don't have to actually look at things we don't want to see. We can pretend that things are all hunky.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #58
68. +1,000,000
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
69. I prefer a +/- for individual posters... LOL but, I guess they wanted to avoid
anti-Democratic politician commentary from being on the top of the page, and they could defeat any of us who are upset at the Admin. by having the "he's PERFECT!" crowd giving an unrecommend to the posts that are questioning a horrible decision that resembles something that * would have pushed as pres. just my 2 cents...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:18 PM
Response to Original message
74. If the point of the recommend is to have DU'ers decide
which are the best (or greatest) threads that deserve being highlighted on the greatest page, why would you leave people out of the voting?

It's possible to have a post go to the greatest page that 90% of the people on DU don't agree with and, in fact, does not represent the overall thoughts and values of the people on DU. How does a post like that warrant a place on the greatest page?

If you really believe the post is the greatest, why would you disallow a large segment of the members to vote on it. If it can't hold its own, it doesn't belong on the greatest page.

After all, democracies are based on people negating each others votes. I go to the polls and I negate the vote of someone who voted for my choice's appointment. Someone else will come in and negate my vote. The one with the least negated votes wins.

By only allowing those who agree with a post to have a say as to whether it is a "great" post, you usurp the rights of others on the board who don't agree. It is amusing to watching how many people are arguing that their right to free speech is being taking away because Skinner has decided to allow everyone to have a say. Sounds like Palin logic to me.

You exercise your free speech when you post. But you don't get to cram your opinion down the throat of the majority of DU'ers if they don't agree and force them to respect it as a "greatest" post. Posts on the greatest page should at least represent a democratic viewpoint of the people on DU.

Sounds like some around here just want to cram through their ideas Rovian style. They know they don't have the votes to make the greatest page, but are going to force their opinion into prominence anyway to try to make it seem like that's how most of us feel. Maybe this is not the board for them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 06:18 PM
Response to Original message
75. Because people get to voice their opinion on the
content of an OP.If recommend is going to be an option,it makes just as much sense to be able to unrecommend. I don't get what the big deal is. Threads aren't being suppressed at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:20 PM
Response to Original message
77. Good Question. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:21 PM
Response to Original message
78. Passive agression and cowardly face slapping
Use of the feature seems to me little more than maliciousness for all but the most outrageous posts.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:25 PM
Response to Original message
80. Because there was a lack of drama here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:31 PM
Response to Original message
88. so this ancient codebase can finally start acting like web 2.0
.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:31 PM
Response to Original message
89. This is so interesting. Yesterday I posted a thread about the Honduran coupster
who indulged in yet a 3rd racial ephithet about our president.

Last night it had ten votes or so. Today is was neutral. lol :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #89
94. Perfect example. The organized RW disruptors now have a great new tool to prevent the truth
from ever showing up on the front page of DU.

We KNOW that there's a group who shows up to swarm any threads that support leftist politics in Latin America. Now they don't even have to bother posting, they can just blackball a thread they don't like so that no one will ever see it on the home page.

sw
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #94
95. More, they tried to down a thread defending Obama.
:shrug:

I don't really know what I think of this feature but, it has been interesting so far.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:49 PM
Response to Original message
98. Why? To keep stupid shit off the GP. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #98
122. And those who favor the "unrecommend" features are the only ones who can judge this?
It's awfully convenient to use phrases like "stupid" in this context.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 06:49 PM
Response to Original message
99. yea.. the Freepers wanted it..!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
101. Did yu read Skinner's original thread??????
Why Are We Adding This Functionality?

If you have spent any time on DU, you have probably noticed that under our old system -- which only permitted positive recommendations -- there was a tendency for highly polarizing topics to climb to the top of the Greatest Page. We believe that giving members the option to unrecommend topics will help insure that the threads at the top of the Greatest Page are those threads that have the broadest appeal to our members.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I unrec'd his thread......heh
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Poll_Blind (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 07:53 PM
Response to Original message
109. Ken, read this please:
Edited on Thu Jul-09-09 07:55 PM by Poll_Blind
First, what Skinner said: "If you have spent any time on DU, you have probably noticed that under our old system -- which only permitted positive recommendations -- there was a tendency for highly polarizing topics to climb to the top of the Greatest Page. We believe that giving members the option to unrecommend topics will help insure that the threads at the top of the Greatest Page are those threads that have the broadest appeal to our members."

I've been pondering those two sentences a bit. I'd also have you look at this thread. And this one.

I would also humbly rebut those two messages with this one- which I feel genuinely represents about 99% of DUers.

I'm not saying this was specifically related to Chavez/Ahmadinejad threads but I am having a hard time pulling up other issues which have caused him so much consternation (in relation to the Greatest Page, specifically)- what I feel is definitely a misunderstanding of intent.

PB
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #109
113. OK, Skinner seems to have freaked in those threads
(btw Skinner, nobody was calling for Hugo Chavez to be made "the honorary leader of the Democratic Party"-just for a clear position that the U.S. shouldn't be about overthrowing him.)

And on both issues, Skinner was able to express his views by STARTING A THREAD. Why wasn't that enough?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 08:05 PM
Response to Original message
116. Why can't your thread be recommended?

I just clicked recommend as a test and nothing happened!

Not even one recommendation shows up!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 08:05 PM
Response to Original message
117. There was a thread today
Edited on Thu Jul-09-09 08:07 PM by reflection
that I unrec'd and did not post in because the subject line contained a bunch of useless profanity.

I was trying to introduce my 9-yr old daughter to DU and I didn't like her reading what I consider to be filth. It was a shame too, because the subject matter was relevant. Since she had already seen it and asked about it, I just used it as a teaching moment.

I know there are many people here who think that trying to shelter my child from profanity is a losing cause. It is. I know that. But I still try.

I also know that there are probably people who think my use of the unrec feature in this fashion is counterproductive to DU. I disagree, and will continue to use the unrec feature this way unless management tells me otherwise, in which case I will gladly comply.

Suffice to say, I think it is good to educate my child in a political way, and DU has a lot of useful tools, and so I will, on occasion, use the unrec feature to try to make DU a nicer place. Flame away.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #117
120. I respect your wish to protect your child
But you could have achieved the same end through the "alert" feature.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-09-09 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #120
121. Profanity is not against DU rules.
What good would alerting do?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Milspec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-09-09 08:13 PM
Response to Original message
118. Like T-Rex has a big head and little arm's
I don't thing this plan was well thought out. I rec killing it....But

I think I have looked at the Greatest Posts threads twice, and I have been here a while.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Nov 23rd 2009, 12:21 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals  |  Links  |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2009 Democratic Underground, LLC