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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:08 PM
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Paleontologists brought to tears, laughter by Creation Museum
This brings together so many fascinating topics: scientific literacy (or lack thereof), anti-intellectualism, and the rise of the religiously insane:

For a group of paleontologists, a tour of the Creation Museum seemed like a great tongue-in-cheek way to cap off a serious conference.

But while there were a few laughs and some clowning for the camera, most left more offended than amused by the frightening way in which evolution -- and their life's work -- was attacked.

"It's sort of a monument to scientific illiteracy, isn't it?" said Jerry Lipps, professor of geology, paleontology and evolution at University of California, Berkeley.

"Like Sunday school with statues... this is a special brand of religion here. I don't think even most mainstream Christians would believe in this interpretation of Earth's history."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090630/ts_alt_afp/science...
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   K&R  Solly Mack   Jun-30-09 08:13 PM   #1 
   The Disneyland of Ignorance.  sakabatou   Jun-30-09 08:17 PM   #2 
   What a terrific way of describing it  MountainLaurel   Jun-30-09 08:25 PM   #4 
   or the gatorland of stupidity  kayakjohnny   Jun-30-09 08:28 PM   #8 
   It is not!  jmondine   Jul-05-09 09:14 PM   #45 
   "It's A Small-Minded World, After All;" "Mr. God's Not So Wild Ride;"  omega minimo   Jun-30-09 09:15 PM   # 
   last time in Cincy, i wanted to go but i just couldn't pony up the $20.  maxsolomon   Jun-30-09 08:24 PM   #3 
   TWENTY BUCKS?  Tangerine LaBamba   Jun-30-09 08:27 PM   #6 
   the scary thing is, stupidity breeds like rabbits ...  zbdent   Jun-30-09 08:27 PM   #5 
   Stupid enough to pay $20.00  omega minimo   Jun-30-09 08:36 PM   #10 
   That's because they have more children.  theoldman   Jun-30-09 08:38 PM   #11 
   And? Are you suggesting this gives them a kind of evolutionary advantage?!  anigbrowl   Jun-30-09 11:12 PM   #24 
      It's strange though ...  zbdent   Jul-01-09 06:37 AM   #33 
         since they're Nazis, they think everything is genetic  MisterP   Jul-01-09 06:02 PM   #39 
   all that matters in the court of public opinion is who wins  provis99   Jun-30-09 08:27 PM   #7 
   if that were true then their views would be taught in public schools and  roguevalley   Jul-01-09 05:30 PM   #37 
   We have one in Texas that I plan to visit someday.  theoldman   Jun-30-09 08:35 PM   #9 
   Choose wisely. Most "very religious persons" would reject this as laughable nonsense.  mwb970   Jul-02-09 07:38 AM   #42 
   Visit the Creation Museum! It's got Electrolytes! n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jun-30-09 08:47 PM   #12 
   ...It's what brains crave  Dragonfli   Jun-30-09 09:12 PM   #13 
   It's what Jesus craves! n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jun-30-09 09:15 PM   #15 
      "JESUS CRAVES"  omega minimo   Jun-30-09 09:16 PM   #16 
         I'm sure that's in the Bible somewhere. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jun-30-09 09:47 PM   #20 
   That's what VEGETABLES crave! nm  Richard Steele   Jun-30-09 10:13 PM   #22 
      As long as it's not water. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jul-02-09 06:47 AM   #41 
   hahahah! I just GOTTA go there!  BlooInBloo   Jun-30-09 09:15 PM   #14 
   Awesome stupidity. K & R.  stevedeshazer   Jun-30-09 09:21 PM   #17 
   The Duggars went to one of those museums  Raine   Jun-30-09 09:27 PM   #18 
   And they're breeding more little Xtian dumbasses all the time.  Arugula Latte   Jun-30-09 09:31 PM   #19 
   the factory may be closing  shanti   Jun-30-09 11:22 PM   #26 
      I don't think that will stop her.  Arugula Latte   Jul-01-09 12:52 PM   #36 
   i know, i remember that show!  shanti   Jun-30-09 11:18 PM   #25 
   Fun to watch FR fighting among themselves over this.  woo me with science   Jun-30-09 10:08 PM   #21 
   Cretins on Fucking Parade !  RagAss   Jul-01-09 12:21 AM   #27 
   Wow, thanks for posting the FR link.  mwb970   Jul-02-09 07:45 AM   #43 
      For example, there are several posts like this.  mwb970   Jul-02-09 07:52 AM   #44 
   And the world laughs at us  Ishoutandscream2   Jun-30-09 10:48 PM   #23 
   Embarassing indeed  MountainLaurel   Jul-01-09 12:40 AM   #30 
   The tears were for the loss of IQ points  Kievan Rus   Jul-01-09 12:34 AM   #28 
   The sad part is that the fundies are proud of their ignorance.  earth mom   Jul-01-09 12:34 AM   #29 
   How appropriate! Here is today's William Shakespeare's Thought For The Day posted in the Lounge:  Aristus   Jul-01-09 12:42 AM   #31 
   Holy hell  Number23   Jul-01-09 12:58 AM   #32 
   The one near Cincinnati has a new ad out in our market  PVnRT   Jul-01-09 07:33 AM   #34 
   that's the only one.  maxsolomon   Jul-01-09 12:05 PM   #35 
   This isn't based on religion, or science, it's based on politics and the lust for power  Uncle Joe   Jul-01-09 05:52 PM   #38 
   I wish someone could explain religion to me. I just don't get it. NT  aaaaaa5a   Jul-01-09 06:17 PM   #40 
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Tue Jun-30-09 08:13 PM
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1. K&R
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:17 PM
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2. The Disneyland of Ignorance.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:25 PM
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4. What a terrific way of describing it
Not that the real Disneyland is designed for future Nobel laureates.
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kayakjohnny (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:28 PM
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8. or the gatorland of stupidity
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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Jul-05-09 09:14 PM
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45. It is not!
Gatorland is the Gatorland of Stupidity! Are you from Florida? Stupidest day I ever spent (okay, it wasn't a whole day and it was only once, I swear!).
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 09:15 PM
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"It's A Small-Minded World, After All;" "Mr. God's Not So Wild Ride;"
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:24 PM
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3. last time in Cincy, i wanted to go but i just couldn't pony up the $20.
also, not one of my siblings would go with me, and i worried that if you are suuuuper high and don't have someone to laugh with, it would just freak you out.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:27 PM
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6. TWENTY BUCKS?
Oh, right. Like I'd put any $$ in their coffers.

Good that you didn't go. Starve them out, the morans.....................
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:27 PM
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5. the scary thing is, stupidity breeds like rabbits ...
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:36 PM
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10. Stupid enough to pay $20.00
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:38 PM
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11. That's because they have more children.
Today we are seeing reverse evolution. Thousands of years ago only the smart guys lived to reproduce.
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 11:12 PM
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24. And? Are you suggesting this gives them a kind of evolutionary advantage?!
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 11:13 PM by anigbrowl
Heresy!
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-01-09 06:37 AM
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33. It's strange though ...
according to the "Right", liberals kill their babies, or are gay and cannot reproduce ... only enhance the ranks "by recruiting with the gay agenda" ...

So, you would think that the conservatives breeding like rabbits would produce ... more conservatives ...

but then, the country is really more to the left than the Repugs try to portray it ...

go figure ...
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MisterP (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-01-09 06:02 PM
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39. since they're Nazis, they think everything is genetic
they LIKE science when it goes with their views: for example, The Bell Curve, or "studies" proving that the poor are worthless
they especially like technology that disgusts "pansy" humanities folks and environmentalists: white phosphorus, Unit 731, fertilizer, GMOs, France-sized disks to orbit the Earth, etc. They'll only denounce science if they can't benefit mentally or physically from it.
if it's instrumentalist and helps whip humans and animals into shape they love it; too bad it's under severe criticism from scientists and relentless demolition from the humanities
but if something threatens to dethrone the Lord of Earth, Anointed by God and Ruling by Technology, look out...
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:27 PM
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7. all that matters in the court of public opinion is who wins
And in the court of public opinion, as testified by the huge numbers of people who show up at the Museum, the creationists are winning, and the scientists are losing.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-01-09 05:30 PM
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37. if that were true then their views would be taught in public schools and
they aren't.
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 08:35 PM
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9. We have one in Texas that I plan to visit someday.
I guess I am curious as to just how stupid people really are. Perhaps I need to go with a very religious person to make it more interesting.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-02-09 07:38 AM
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42. Choose wisely. Most "very religious persons" would reject this as laughable nonsense.
You need to go with a very fundamentalist, very unimaginative, very uneducated person. I doubt that you have anyone like that in your life at present; maybe there's a kiosk near the museum where you can rent one.
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12. Visit the Creation Museum! It's got Electrolytes! n/t
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 09:12 PM
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13. ...It's what brains crave
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15. It's what Jesus craves! n/t
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 09:16 PM
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16. "JESUS CRAVES"
new bumpersticker
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20. I'm sure that's in the Bible somewhere. n/t
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22. That's what VEGETABLES crave! nm
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41. As long as it's not water. n/t
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14. hahahah! I just GOTTA go there!
:rofl:
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17. Awesome stupidity. K & R.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 09:27 PM
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18. The Duggars went to one of those museums
on their TV show, it was full of such RIDICULOUS crap! x(
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 09:31 PM
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19. And they're breeding more little Xtian dumbasses all the time.
Oh, joy.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 11:22 PM
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26. the factory may be closing
for michelle duggar. she's going to be a gramma next!
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-01-09 12:52 PM
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36. I don't think that will stop her.
They've expressed that they will keep on popping 'em out as long as Gawd and Jebus are down with it. :eyes: Now their kids have started their uncontrollable procreating. Can you imagine how many ignorant religious zealots are going to ultimately be produced by just two people? I find it sickening.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 11:18 PM
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25. i know, i remember that show!
i was busting up. then i was saddened that the children were being indoctrinated like this...
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jun-30-09 10:08 PM
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21. Fun to watch FR fighting among themselves over this.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2282828/po... ;page=51
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27. Cretins on Fucking Parade !
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43. Wow, thanks for posting the FR link.
Frankly, I'd rather read their comments than ours. Everyone here sees right through this crap. The Freepers seem conflicted, which is more interesting to read.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Jul-02-09 07:52 AM
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44. For example, there are several posts like this.
Edited on Thu Jul-02-09 07:53 AM by mwb970
Most of the people who don’t understand science on this board (several who have already rung in) have taken it upon themselves to define who is or isn’t “Christian.”

Their definition of “Christian” is “anyone who agrees with me” and “atheist” is “anyone who does not agree with me.”

It is hubris (the greatest sin) at the highest possible level.

The sentiment in this post could just as well be from the DU thread. But, most of the FR posts are not this level-headed. They tend to be either belligerent screeds or sappy, soppy religious pieties.

I'm still waiting for the inevitable reference to Obama's birth certificate, but I'm not even halfway through the thread yet. Stand by.
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23. And the world laughs at us
How embarrassing.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-01-09 12:40 AM
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30. Embarassing indeed
A few years ago I went to the national museum of New Zealand, which had just opened up a multimillion dollar exhibit on evolution (an especially interesting topic on an island nation). I remember telling my husband that the Smithsonian would never be able to create even a panelboard on evolution without the fundangelicals petitioning Congress to pull funding for the museum.
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Kievan Rus (848 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-01-09 12:34 AM
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28. The tears were for the loss of IQ points
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-01-09 12:34 AM
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29. The sad part is that the fundies are proud of their ignorance.
:puke:
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-01-09 12:42 AM
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31. How appropriate! Here is today's William Shakespeare's Thought For The Day posted in the Lounge:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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32. Holy hell
"Lisa Park of the University of Akron cried at one point as she walked a hallway full of flashing images of war, famine and natural disasters which the museum blames on belief in evolution."

This is just embarrassing. But it can't possibly get any worse, right??

"The museum argues that the fossil record has been misinterpreted and that Tyrannosaurus rex was a vegetarian before Adam and Eve bit into that sin-inducing apple."
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34. The one near Cincinnati has a new ad out in our market
The tagline is "Prepare to believe" or some such stupid shit.

One of these days I'm going to go, just to try to get kicked out by asking pesky questions.
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35. that's the only one.
did you think it was a franchise?
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38. This isn't based on religion, or science, it's based on politics and the lust for power
Edited on Wed Jul-01-09 05:53 PM by Uncle Joe
using the cover; of distorted religion and psuedo science as camouflage.

Make no mistake, at the root, this is about power, money and control and if not confronted the American People may become as brainwashed as the Iranians were regarding the Ayatollahs supreme power and control of government after their revolution.
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40. I wish someone could explain religion to me. I just don't get it. NT
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