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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:39 AM
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He missed his childhood and now heís gonna miss his old age.
How fucked up is that?

Michael Jackson never had a chance. He had to succeed for his family, his parentsí dreams were dependent upon him.

And a boy with that much pressure delivers. He works truly hard, so he will be loved. Thatís all Michael Jackson was looking for, love.

He wanted to be accepted. Wanted to be so good that he couldnít be denied. But you canít change family history, and the public no longer treats you as human, as an equal, once you break through. People want to rip you off or tear you down, or shower you in faux love thatís more about their unfulfilled desires than yours. It gets so confusing that you retreat.


http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2009/06... /

More at link. This is my first and only post on Michael Jackson's death. I found it to be a rather powerful piece that gives us a peek into this tortured soul's existence.

Long live the king.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:41 AM
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1. jackson had lots of chances. lots of opportunity. this is absurd.
regaRDLESS of him having a fucked up childhood as many many do. i mean many people have fucked up childhoods. further, i would suggest that we all have to resolve stuff from childhood, even if it seems we had everything.

the point though, as he became adult he had way more opportunities than most all of us. he lived how he chose, regardless how we see it. and he died.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:42 AM
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2. Your opinion is noted.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:44 AM
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3. lol, wink. ya. n/t
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:52 AM
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7. few can compete with his contribution to the world..nt
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:57 AM
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10. i dont know about that. but then i look at that differently too. a father, mother
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 11:06 AM by seabeyond
living the best they can, that raise their children in love ect... is as successful as anyone. my success dial is measured differently. but even if that is held as a true mark, i say... ok.

fine

and so?

i think the world would have kept on keeping on if jackson had never come onto the scene. but again, i dont see anyone as indispensable. and i see all people as valuable.

regardless

that hardly is relevant to the op. jackson had more chances and opportunities than most people do. and he chose to live life his way. though all of us may see it in a negative manner, bad way, poor choices, or he as a victim, i dont.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:33 AM
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29. funny, how I seem to have survived without it. nt
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:55 AM
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9. The problem here is...
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 10:56 AM by pipi_k
in order for someone to fix a problem or get help, he or she has to first KNOW there's a problem.

I don't imagine that MJ had too many people around him who had either the guts, or the integrity, to tell him he had a problem and that he needed help.

As far as I can see, he was just another pitiful famous person being enabled by a bunch of fucking vampires able and willing to suck him dry no matter what the consequences. And yeah...as much as they want to look like they cared so much, I would have to include his "family".

There was advantage to all of them in keeping him exactly as he was.

How does someone fight against that?



**edited for spelling**
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:59 AM
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13. ah, to make him so helpless, victim, powerless. i dont do that with people
those are suppositions you make, but most all of us are aware our missteps. and we chose to go along the path, or not. i dont see jackson of being unaware. he would have to just be brainless, and i dont see that at all

i can see self denial, but isn't that indicative of being human. i am sure there were people who suggested he needed help (we have heard such) and he refused. his right. his choice.
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:50 AM
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31. More opportunities?
He did things few people got to do, to be sure, but he grew up in a gilded cage and never got to escape the clutches of his handlers and parasitic hangers-on. He was rich enough to buy an amusement park and the Beatles collection, but he never learned to be emotionally or socially self-sufficient, and he attracted people who used his shortcomings to exploit him for all he was worth.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 12:00 PM
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32. more opportunities, exactly and you list them out for me. thank you
and there are more

yes... to all you say

and???

again, i feel, and we can only come to our conclusions thru personal experience and insight, and development as self, i see it as having opportunity in addressing these things and making different choices, like, not having the parasites or allowing them. i see he allowed them because it allowed him to see himself, live, make the choices he did.

again, i dont create jackson as helpless, victim or powerless. that this life, though walked indicative of early on, is his choice.
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:35 PM
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39. Choices? Yeah right.
Reason, confidence and independence are learned traits, and no one wanted to teach him those things. He had to allow the parasites, because he didn't know the first thing about how to get rid of them or how to live without them. He spent his whole life in a world of their making and they served as his eyes and hands in the world outside the concert stage.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:40 PM
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40. what a pathetic soul you make him out to be. we all have our cross we bare.
yes right... choices.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 12:15 PM
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34. I am left wondering what his estate is worth.
In the aftermath of his wake, I imagine several of his albums will go platinum once more.

The kids he left behind might gain some financial support from that, but just as likely, the lawyers MJ had "looking after" things will probably make off with whatever comes in.

The only bright side to this is how Larry King stepped to the plate and told his story of overhearing the attorney for the Plaintiff talking way too loudly at an LA restaurant, and saying that the plaintiff's family was extorting MJ without cause.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:46 AM
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4. Believe me, I understand and empathise and all, but, PERSONALLY, I'm a little tired of the fucker at
this point.

Why don't we see anything significant in ordinary people's lives?

Why don't ordinary people mean anything to "us"?

What is all of this obsessive identification with sad screwed-up-ness?

I'm tired of it.

I've seen plenty of people dealt some REAL shit in their lives, but they just didn't let it get to them. They didn't identify with that shit. They just kept on going on.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:51 AM
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6. I am not a single-threaded being. I have the capacity to empathize for ordinary people and MJ.

My compassion is not a limited resource.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:59 AM
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11. I'm sorry if I implied that yours was; I was really thinking more on a social scale and about
Media.

On a social scale: It is extremely common to see that many people object to ___________________________, because they fear that someone somewhere somehow is going to get something that they think s/he doesn't "deserve". The generic "them" is assumed to be bad and un-worthy of love. We live in a dog-eat-dog culture and worship the likes of Michael Jackson and other fabrications.

The Media is milking its markets. It doesn't matter whether the image they are creating is valid or functional, as long as it results in more money - the very thing that made MJ unhappy in the first place and ultimately killed him.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:59 AM
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12. Michael Jackson contributed millions to charities and tried to make the world a better place
I find nothing to criticize. We lost a great humanitarian. And yes, he did have real shit in his life. But he trudged on.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:16 AM
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21. I don't object to that, but rather to the fact that the consideration given to some
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 11:17 AM by patrice
one like MJ is denied generic others.

I simply don't understand, do not believe in and don't trust, a "humanity" that is available to media constructions, no matter how well we think we know them, and NOT to any one of those we think un-worthy of our compassion. Perhaps you and others don't fall into that category, but I think this attitude is characteristic of the majority by a wide margin.

Part of what is being generated in MJ's case IS a media product that wouldn't be there if Media didn't do what it does to stimulate sales. Some people call it "Auto-morn".
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cagesoulman Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:48 AM
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5. How many little kids are missing their childhoods because of what Michael did to them?
Can you imagine being one of the kids he molested and watching this big worldwide crying fest over his death? Nothing worse for a kid than seeing your molester not only get away with it but be loved and respected.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:53 AM
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8. bs..nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:00 AM
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15. He was acquitted
And this accusation is getting a bit old.
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cagesoulman Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:05 AM
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17. California celebrity trial
There were many payoffs.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:23 AM
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23. On that claim...
You contend payoffs were made. To whom? The victims and their families? If your child was sexually abused, would YOU accept cash payment to allow their abuser to be free to abuse others? If so, who's the bigger fuck-up?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:38 AM
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30. Plausible Deniability is a wonderous thing and HIGHLY marketable. nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:30 AM
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27. Anybody can sue anyone, anytime, for any reason or no reason at all,
purely based on fabricated BS. Ask me how I know.

The fact that he was sued, especially since he was an emotionally messed up and vulnerable (and perhaps very naive) person, means absolutely nothing to me. He was found not guilty in his criminal trial. I am not convinced that he ever did anything as horrible as some of the accusations claimed. I remain skeptical. He had VERY deep pockets, and greedy people can smell those a mile away.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 12:53 PM
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36. That has to be proven, not simply asserted
this isn't Ward Churchill's classroom.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:27 AM
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25. Would you have let *your* children sleep with him?
If I ever did such a thing, I hope someone would have beat me with a sack of doorknobs for being an idiot.

Of course, paying $22 million and making sure your accusers and material witnesses are out of the country at trial time would help, too.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 12:03 PM
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33. I wouldn't have let my children sleep with any adult
But that doesn't make him a pedophile.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:01 AM
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16. It IS possible that the guy really only wanted to sleep with them.
One wonders why you would assume that that isn't possible.
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cagesoulman Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:06 AM
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19. You find me a grown man who wants nothing more than to share a bed with kids that aren't his
Yeah, I thought not.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:31 AM
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28. MJ = "grown" . . . ?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:07 AM
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20. i have a brother with peter pan, alcoholic, genius.... that walks that fine line
regardless of just wanting to sleep with them, it is over the line of responsible adult.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:22 AM
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22. I agree with it being over the line. Adults are, by definition, supposed to have adapted functional
ly to their problems. This is called developmental growth; maybe it was never necessary, because he was so rich.

Hmmmmm . . . Is "success" not good for people? - just a thought.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:25 AM
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24. i guess it is the definition one applies to success. i see success
as very healthy, or very damaging. i dont think it is success as the culprit, but other conditions that come along for the ride of this type of success. not living in reality. needing ego stroked. and many many other things.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:28 AM
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26. Definitions, semantic AND empirical, are an important key. nt
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 12:52 PM
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35. He was found not guilty
Amazing how many DUers purport to have so much respect for every crossed T and dotted I in the justice system when we are talking about foreign terrorist suspects (and heaven forbid we criticize them before being convicted in a court of law), but if it's Michael Jackson then he's guilty even if found not guilty.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:00 AM
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14. "...shower you in faux love thatís more about their unfulfilled desires than yours..."
So very true. One of the less-desirable aspects of fame is that the fans, in varying degrees, begin to live their lives vicariously through the performer. They feel that they "know" him/her when they do not, they feel that the performer "understands" them when they've never met them.

There's a very short leap between a fan seeking their "unfulfilled desires" in a fantasy "relationship" or "bond" with an entertainer they've never met and...let's just say as an example...a guy taking orders to kill from his dog.

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:05 AM
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18. its not the years in ones life
its the life in ones years.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:04 PM
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37. I agree. Thanks for posting.
He was never allowed to have a childhood. That may be why he spent so much of his adult life trying to be a child and trying to live out childhood fantasies. It's not that he never grew up. Many of his problems seem to stem from the fact that he was never allowed to be a child.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Sheri Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:06 PM
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38. +1
:)
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