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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:25 AM
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Let's Aim For Mars: Commentary by Buzz Aldrin

Commentary: Let's aim for Mars
By Buzz Aldrin
CNN
June 23, 2009

Buzz Aldrin, whose new book is "Magnificent Desolation," was one of the two American astronauts who were the first people to set foot on the moon.

I came to dedicate my life to opening space to the average person and crafting designs for new spaceships that could take us far from home. But since Apollo ended, such travels were only in our collective memory.

For these past decades, our country has achieved great things in space. It has built a reusable spacecraft and flown it more than 100 times. It has orbited great observatories that have unlocked the secrets of the universe.

Most impressively, it has helped construct an orbiting laboratory that offers the prospect of long-term research into the effects of space flight, research that can not just improve the health and safety of our astronauts but also of people on Earth. But what America hasn't done is inspire the world -- and itself --with a bold vision for our future in space.

We have remained, since our Apollo days, locked in Earth orbit. But five years ago, NASA was tasked with returning to the moon by 2020, rerunning the moon race that we won 40 years ago. Not surprisingly, this new race has failed to ignite the imagination of young Americans -- or their leaders.

What we truly need is not more Cold War-style competition but a destination in space that offers great rewards for the risks to achieve it. I believe that destination must be homesteading Mars, the first human colony on another world.

By refocusing our space program on Mars for America's future, we can restore the sense of wonder and adventure in space exploration that we knew in the summer of 1969. We won the moon race; now it's time for us to live and work on Mars, first on its moons and then on its surface.

Exploring and colonizing Mars can bring us new scientific understanding of climate change, of how planet-wide processes can make a warm and wet world into a barren landscape. By exploring and understanding Mars, we may gain key insights into the past and future of our own world.

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/06/23/aldrin.mars/in...


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  - Agree with Mr. Aldrin completely - K&R - nt  Ohio Joe   Jun-27-09 10:31 AM   #1 
  - It is entirely possible but only if wise management occurs now.  Bandit   Jun-27-09 10:39 AM   #2 
  - Great article.  jeff30997   Jun-27-09 10:40 AM   #3 
  - On this matter I agree with Buzz  Better Believe It   Jun-27-09 10:56 AM   #4 
     - Bush was the one who wanted to go back to the Moon  lunatica   Jun-27-09 11:06 AM   #5 
     - As do I  Frank Cannon   Jun-27-09 11:11 AM   #6 
     - I thought putting a colony (livable habitat) on the moon was a prelim to Mars.  Peace Patriot   Jun-27-09 12:39 PM   #7 
        - No, there's no advantage to stopping over at the moon.  eppur_se_muova   Jun-27-09 07:05 PM   #9 
           - Thanks for that info and link! nt  Peace Patriot   Jun-28-09 07:20 AM   #10 
  - Sending people to the moon is a complete waste of money - we can send dozens of rovers to  lindisfarne   Jun-27-09 01:32 PM   #8 
     - It was not until we all saw that "little blue ball," with its fragile skin of life, from the moon,  Peace Patriot   Jun-28-09 08:38 AM   #11 
        - We saw the "little blue ball" long before we set foot on the moon. Rachael Carson certainly did.  lindisfarne   Jun-28-09 10:58 AM   #12 
           - Maybe you dont see it...  Cid_B   Jun-28-09 11:37 AM   #13 
 
Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:31 AM
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1. Agree with Mr. Aldrin completely - K&R - nt
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:39 AM
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2. It is entirely possible but only if wise management occurs now.
It is about Health Care and Energy Conservation and Education and Economics. All are intimately connected. A Healthy nation is a productive nation. Governments chief responsibility should be to maintain the Health and Welfare of the Nation. It does that by maintaining the Health of the People and of the countryside. Peace is also a main ingredient. There is no reason to fight for resources. We truly don't need all the foreign oil we consume and we possess technology to make sea water potable. The tremendous amount of money saved by Conservation and proper energy management and creation would be more than enough to sponsor ideas such as this one..I want good management of our country, I don't want better.. Better is easy because it truly could not have gotten much worse than under the Bush* Cabal but America deserves more than just better. We deserve Good, Wise Management and the entire world will be "better".
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:40 AM
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3. Great article.
I always loved Buzz Aldrin. :)
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:56 AM
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4. On this matter I agree with Buzz

Going back to the moon? What for?

A huge waste of money and resources.

Use those funds for real space exploration with Mars as the obvious goal for the next stage of human exploration of space.

And it will need to be an international effort and program.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:06 AM
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5. Bush was the one who wanted to go back to the Moon
Because the Republicans, and especially the Neo Cons always think about war and military strategy. Their 'forward thinking' planning is always in the vein of PNAC. So naturally they think that space gives a military supremacy. That includes the Moon where thousands if not hundreds of thousands of nukular armed missiles can be kept without much danger.

The Neo Cons aspire to be the Borg when we finally go interstellar.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:11 AM
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6. As do I
No one has ever convinced me that "wasting money" on a space program with a meaningful goal is any worse than flushing money down the toilet in any one of our ongoing wars for Empire.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 12:39 PM
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7. I thought putting a colony (livable habitat) on the moon was a prelim to Mars.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I never thought that a second moon trip--and establishing a station there--was limited to just that goal, but is a stepping stone to Mars. Once we have established and refined our ability to maintain human life on the moon--much closer to home, and easier to, a) get stuff there, and b) rescue people if they get into trouble, as we experiment with habitats in an alien environment--then on to the much tougher, longer and more perilous trip to Mars. Also--correct me if I'm wrong--it will be much easier to launch spacecraft from the moon to Mars, than from Earth. In other words, get to the moon and establish habitat and supplies there as a way station, before human trips to Mars.

It's been 40 years since we ventured far from Earth, to our moon. It seems to me that we have a lot of work to do before we can risk lives in a venture to Mars, and the natural place to do that work would be the moon.

Staying in a space station orbiting earth is just not the same as heading out into space, even to the moon. The latter is extremely dangerous, physically, with rescue very iffy, even to or on the moon, let alone Mars, and it is also psychologically dangerous, especially to Mars--so far away. Just think of the Hubble repairs, recently. The astronauts faced so many perils, and the systems for rescuing them seemed so...undeveloped. Earth weather alone could have prevented a timely rescue. Then think of a crew being entirely on their own, with rescue virtually hopeless, on Mars, or heading to Mars, or coming back. Wouldn't their chances be greatly improved by extended stays on the moon, in training, and by the moon providing a way station, supplies and launching facilities?

I'm not sure of Aldrin's reasons for saying either/or. Is it an either/or? Is that just a funding problem--choosing between the two--or are there other factors that I don't realize? The public enthusiasm problem could be easily solved by creating a long term plan: first, back to the moon, then Mars. (What kid wouldn't want to be in training on the moon to go to Mars?! Wow! Such a great, unprecedented adventure!) Am I missing something? I have massive respect for Aldrin, so his word carries great weight, but I don't really understand this paradox.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 07:05 PM
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9. No, there's no advantage to stopping over at the moon.
In terms of energy consumed -- which means fuel payload -- a direct flight to Mars makes more sense. The Moon might be described as *practice* for Mars, but not a literal stepping-stone.

Robert Zubrin explains it much more thoroughly in "The Case for Mars", where he laid out the plan he called "Mars Direct".

http://www.marssociety.org/portal/c/society-tools/md_ch...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 07:20 AM
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10. Thanks for that info and link! nt
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:32 PM
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8. Sending people to the moon is a complete waste of money - we can send dozens of rovers to
the moon & other planets for less.
There is very little we'll learn by sending people and it will cost far, far more.

Why don't we learn about the planet we're on - it's going to be far cheaper and far more realistic to solve our current problems, than it will be to try to plan to settle another planet that is nowhere near as favorable to life after we've destroyed this one.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:38 AM
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11. It was not until we all saw that "little blue ball," with its fragile skin of life, from the moon,
in the famous photo taken almost accidentally from the moon (pointed back toward Earth), that the people of the world began to realize just how vulnerable life on our planet is. The environmental movement is arguably dated from that photo--or at least much more widespread consciousness of the need to protect our little "bubble" of life.

Until that moment, there really was not widespread understanding of ecology. That photo said it all. I remember that moment. I lived through it. Environmentalists were still considered "kooks" at that time. That is the truth. I remember that era well. Environmentalism was in its infancy, as a movement. This is very important to understand. The moon shot, and especially that amazing photograph, changed how we view ourselves, radically altered consciousness, and put the human race on Earth, and life on Earth, into stark perspective, against the vast black lonely emptiness of space. (It may not be all that empty--as we have very recently learned--but it sure felt like it then). Although our Corporate Rulers have prevented effective protection of the environment, it is now the common view--way up there in the 80% range, in polls--that the environment must be protected. That was not the case in 1969. That photo of the Earth changed peoples' view of the Earth, on a massive scale. It was worth every penny spent on the Apollo program just for that one photo!

A colony on the moon, and/or the achievement of human beings traveling to Mars, would be momentous events, without parallel in human history, except for the initial moon walk in 1969. Yes, it would be expensive. Yes, it would take mobilization of our society. But it is just not correct--as to history and human psychology--to pit one against the other: either repair Planet Earth, or go to Mars. Going to Mars may well result in our ability to overthrow our Corporate Rulers and actually save Planet Earth. And we could do it with only a fraction of what we are utterly wasting on killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people to steal their oil.

I am personally convinced that the Apollo program was an early effort, instigated by JFK, to bend our military budget to peaceful purposes. James Douglass' book, "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters," makes very clear that JFK was on a path to world peace, and was initiating nuclear disarmament, backchannel contacts with Krushchev and Castro, and the end of "Cold War" conflicts in Southeast Asia and elsewhere, and was taking many other actions aimed at world peace, when he was cut down (--and Douglass maintains, very convincingly, that this is why he was killed). Douglass doesn't mention it, but I believe the space program was part and parcel of that effort. And I think it could be today, as well. Politicians have the immense problem of the "military-industrial complex," which snakes in and out of our society and our economy like an evil octopus, with tentacles into all our lives. Our Founders never intended us to have a "standing army"--let alone this massive war machine, such a temptation to tyrants and corporations. It is not easily dismantled. What better use for those massive dollars than to inspire humanity once again with our place in the Universe, by taking a second photo, of the Earth, from the far, far reaches of Mars? It would be worth every penny, believe me. And it is not incompatible with saving Planet Earth; on the contrary, it could well move us to do so.

We need higher aspirations than cornering the world's last oil supplies. We need hope. We need creativity and initiative. We desperately need perspective--new understanding of the Universe and our place in it. And, not incidentally, we need to learn terraforming (how to create and re-create living ecologies). We have, in fact, destroyed Planet Earth, as it was--the matrix from which we evolved. If the human race is to continue--and some measure of biological diversity and ecological balance restored--it is going to be the result of our intelligence and technology (ironical as that is). People are simply not going to revert to a pastoral lifestyle, except by force of catastrophe. There are too many of us. Most of us are too dependent on the perks of "civilization." And the damage to our planet, over just the last 100 years, has been enormous. It could lead to despair and inaction. We need a motivator. Planting human feet on Mars could be that motivator--could pull us together, could elicit vast creativity and new understanding. It's comparable to the building of the cathedrals in the Middle Ages, and the pyramids in Egypt, and the creation of Alexandria and its Library, and the construction of the Brooklyn and Golden Gate bridges, and the other monumental efforts of a society to assert itself into the far future. We, as a society, need a higher goal than repair of our fouled nest, in order to energize us to do what we must do here. That is what I see in our psychology as a People. That is who we are. You cannot force us to be otherwise, because it would make sense (to repair Planet Earth first, then think of space). It would be like telling Dylan Thomas to first stop drinking, then write poetry. Ain't gonna happen. Our people are drugged up on technology and its objects. That is not going to change. So put it to good use.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 10:58 AM
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12. We saw the "little blue ball" long before we set foot on the moon. Rachael Carson certainly did.
Others still haven't realized the vulnerability. The little blue ball might have contributed but it was not the only factor in many realizing that the earth is a precious place - and the only one we have to live on.

I don't see sending humans to Mars - or even again to the moon - as being "limited funds well spent".
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 11:37 AM
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13. Maybe you dont see it...
but your children and grandchildren will...
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