New Graduate Nurses Get Fucked!!!!!

[inthebrain]

I wonder where their bailout is?

For years it's been said there's a nursing shortage. Maybe so but that doesn't explain the lack of jobs for new grads. It's funny how the capitalists create these shortage myths to occupy all the surplus labor. Mainly to keep them from pointing fingers at the capitalists.

Fucking scumbags. Now that all these people invested tens of thousands of dollars into their nursing educations, where's Obama to bail them out?

Even if things open up from a year from now, those that just graduated are not going to get hired. Hospitals are not going to hire an RN who's been sitting for a year two with their skills deteroriating. In that case they are gonna take the new grads as they are fresh.

What a fucking ruse.

This is just like the .com bubble from a few years ago. Oh, go major in computers or some other techie bullshit and there will be jobs a plenty. Many of those folks after having gotten fucked with that bullshit, fought to get into nursing programs only to get fucked again.

Once again it is proven that Capitalism is an empty system with no security or promises for anyone who works hard to get ahead.


What's the next bullshit shortage going to be? Basket weavers?

[babylonsister]

1. Where? Do you have a link? Thanks. nt

[inthebrain]

6. Here you go. I can't wait for the cognitive dissonance that follows.

Penn researchers: Nursing needs a bailout, federal scholarships needed to fix nursing shortage

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20090618/Penn-researchers-Nursing-needs-a-bailout-federal-scholarships-needed-to-fix-nursing-shortage.aspx

The Recession’s Effect on Jobs for New Nurses

http://www.nursezone.com/nursing-news-events/more-news/The-Recession%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%84%A2s-Effect-on-Jobs-for-New-Nurses_28968.aspx

[JBoy]

12. From your second link:

Bernadette Melnyk, RN, Ph.D., dean of Arizona State University’s College of Nursing and Healthcare Innovation, agreed that the situation is similar in Arizona.

“For the first time in quite a few years, our graduates aren’t having the easiest time getting the positions that they want,” she said. “And I’m not saying the positions aren’t out there. I’m saying it’s not coming as easy as it did, and they may have to take positions that aren’t their first choice.”

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The horror.

[inthebrain]

19. Yeah, like fucking Starbucks and shit..

It's a load of crap.

It's even saying the Hospitals themeselves are not hiring (Which as many advertised as the pinnacle of where this job growth is to take place). And with the latest cuts coming to medicare and medicaid long term care facilities are also starting to lay people off prematurely in preparation for it.

[Horse with no Name]

39. see my post 38. n/t

[thunder rising]

2. Cry me a river, I'm an unemployed software engineer contacted daily by benched H1-Bs

pretending to extend job offers. Meanwhile tens of thousands of new H1-B engineers are imported every year.

[Kittycat]

8. See my post below - #7

[anigbrowl]

3. From the thread titkle, I was expecting porn, not an incoheent rant

Better luck next time. Recently qualified nurses I know in CA have not had this problem, and I can't figure out from your OP where and how the problem is occurring.

[inthebrain]

9. Uh, they are having the very same problem in Cali and it's getting worse

A few years ago 100% of those grads had jobs by graduation. A report that had it at about 85% has now recently been corrected to be about half that number. Mainly because of the proposed cuts to medicare and medicaid.

[anigbrowl]

30. (edit: found link above)

It's not that I disagree with you, but the purely anecdotal info I have from my own friends doesn't support your argument so I'd like more information.

[Canuckistanian]

10. CA hospitals were recruiting nurses up in Canada quite often

Or at least they were 10 years ago.

[ecstatic]

4. Are you sure about that?

As far as I know there really are nursing shortages but I think it varies from state to state. You might have to travel.

[Dappleganger]

14. Everyone needs to be willing to travel.

People who aren't willing to relocate shouldn't be complaining that they can't find jobs. Damn, people traveled in droves during the Great Depression, get over it. There *are* nursing jobs, you just have to be willing to relocate. You may have to take part-time employment at several places until you can get FT, too. I know my mother had to do that when she just graduated from nursing school and that was before any recession was around.

[inthebrain]

16. Those grapes in California make for wonderful picking eh Tom Joad

That's the typical Capitalist clap trap. It's the old horse and carrot trick.

[Dappleganger]

22. We don't have a choice, really.

WE are out of work now and looking everywhere, so we know this is true. This is our third major layoff and will be our fourth big move.
Nothing is 'better', either--there are no guarantees that when you set up house in another city that said employer will not lay your ass off within a week, or even worse withdraw the offer by the time you get there. Employers are nasty that way.

[inthebrain]

29. That just happened to a friend of mine

He worked as an ER tech in the hospital I work in. He got hired as an RN in North Carolina and moved their two weeks ago. They just let him go becuase of all the cuts.

[Greyhound]

46. Of course, that's the model we should be striving for, the Great Depression.

Yeah boy, those sure were the days.

It's time for everyone to realize that they are imminently replaceable cogs in some parasites money machine and should be very grateful that they even have a job for the time being. Of course you will be far too experienced and unreliably confident in a few years so you better not make any long term plans.
:sarcasm:
I just have to wonder if you guys even read the shit you write.

[riverdeep]

61. Although suggesting moving as practical advice is fine,

I wouldn't make a blanket statement like this:

"People who aren't willing to relocate shouldn't be complaining that they can't find jobs."

Not everyone has the wherewithal to pack and move, especially when they don't have anything lined up and fewer employers are offering relocation reimbursement, not to mention they give high preference to locals over out-of-staters in the first place.

[ruggerson]

5. Is that out on DVD already?

[bertman]

35. Are you kidding, it went straight to DVD.

Just goes to show that one must exercise care in labeling a thread.

[Kittycat]

7. Ever thought that you/that person is living in the wrong area?

Yes, nursing jobs are in short demand. No, they're not in short demand everywhere.

And my sympathies to the Software Engineer below. That is a fear that always rests in the back of my husband's mind (he's a software architect/engineer), as he's seen many of his coworkers let go over the years - and gone through many mergers/buy outs.

[inthebrain]

15. This is now nationwide

and the numbers are looking worse everywhere. Arizona was a hotbed of desperation for new nurses that has now dried up.

.Com bust all over again.

The Recession has part time nurses taking full time position. Nurses due to retire are not retiring (THis is what everyone suspected years ago that there will be no retirement as that well is dryed up).

Capitalism has returned to it's pre WWII abuses. EVERYONE is taking a big one up the ass from the auto companies and the banks. This crisis is being used to cut funding to medicare and medicaid. The coming economic crisi we are in now was predicted by a lot of people and that's why they advertised nursing as a field for everyone to go into. They wanted to flood the market, reduce spending and cut retirement benefits. In many states they are pushing to INCREASE the ratio of patients to nurses.

Hence no jobs. Given that it takes years of pre reqs in many states it's the ultimate vehicle to keep people tyed up for years before word gets out that the shortage is really bullshit.

[snappyturtle]

11. A man, I can't remember who, said this morning on Morning Joe

that when he stopped at Starbuck's this a.m. a nurse he knows was behind the counter. He reported that the nurse had lost her job in nursing and was 'filling in at Starbuck's'!

edit: I also took it that this is an experienced nurse and her job was cut.

[Juche]

45. Many nurses leave the field

It is a negative feedback loop. Nursing can be very stressful and nasty, which drives people to leave the field. As people leave and there is a labor shortage the work becomes even more stressful. Part of the reason there is a nursing shortage is that it can be a very hard job.

I read there are something like 500,000 people in America who are qualified as nurses (experienced LPNs, RNs) who have chosen to leave the medical field and work in different areas other than healthcare.

So if the woman left the field because she hated it, thats not the same as leaving because she didn't like it.

[snappyturtle]

49. She left because her job was CUT. nt

[Juche]

54. I saw that. But is she looking to get back into the field

[snappyturtle]

56. Here's hoping she can. nt

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

13. The recession has hurt everyone. There are people in ALL fields who had

expectations of jobs and coming out of their training pipeline are finding few.

Nursing is not unique in this. Nor techies etc. After I was in school there were no jobs in academia for tons of newly minted PhD's who had hired on as cheap labor in various science graduate programs, meaning unemployment and an endless trail of postdoc tears for others.


"Once again it is proven that Capitalism is an empty system with no security or promises for anyone who works hard to get ahead."

This is the essential truth of your post.

[inthebrain]

20. cept the only difference is (and this isn't meant to take away from your misfortunes) is that

I don't recall national advertising campaigns aimed at academia in the manner that it was toward nursing.

Although I think I recall something (not sure what it was) regarding the public schools. My wife almost bit at that one and found out early that it was bullshit.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

27. Oh don't get me wrong - I've been very fortunate, and have been continuously employed, at very good

jobs, when not in school or training. But I'm lucky enough to be in a labor pool (physicians) that is very much sheltered from competing with doctors from other countries. I recognize the reality of this, although many of my colleagues do not. I also do not expect it always to be the case.

My point is, I don't think there was active deception for the most part in luring your wife or whoever into training as a nurse. Shortage or surplus is relative. A few years ago to several years ago, the perceived need for nurses was probably very different. A crashed stock market and recession economy were not in the projections for manpower needs.

With a crashed economy, hospitals will either close their doors entirely or be under such budget constraints that they will lay off people when possible, hiring freeze in other situations, or hire much fewer than previously anticipated.

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. Who produced the DVD? I can't find it listed in Video Age.

:rofl:

[Fla_Democrat]

18. I heard about this on Howard Stern

:smoke:

[NC_Nurse]

21. There are still jobs, just not the ones that many people would want i.e. nights,

rotating shifts, weekends, call shifts, nursing homes (lower pay and a very tough job), etc. Or you might have to move.
There is a nursing shortage, there is also a problem with budgets shortfalls in a lot of hospital systems and clinics. Just like
teachers, it's not that they aren't needed, it's that budgets are being cut.

[inthebrain]

25. Those are no longer available

All gone.

Nationwide they are laying off even the nurses.

That's just not true.

[NC_Nurse]

37. Yes it is. I just got a new job and they're still hiring at the hospital I left.

[inthebrain]

41. NEW GRAD!!!

Get it?

[NC_Nurse]

58. I'm working with one at my new. GET IT? He has 2 jobs already.

[uppityperson]

59. Not necessarily. We are having nurses laid off where I am

Due to Medicaid and medicare cuts, long term facilities are starting to lay off nurses in the area. More previously retired nurses are trying to get hired for those jobs, and those already working there are getting cut.


As the Op wrote in #19 "And with the latest cuts coming to medicare and medicaid long term care facilities are also starting to lay people off prematurely in preparation for it."

"prematurely" is here and now. It is really really really odd.

I guess they could try to sell their houses, at a loss, and move somewhere else, but how and where?

[cagesoulman]

23. This OP is less offensive than "chick"?

Really?

[konnichi wa]

24. By new graduate doctors, usually...

:shrug:

[NeedleCast]

26. Pretty sure I got this E-mail as porn spam earlier this week

[WolverineDG]

28. They're hiring where I live

but most new grads don't want to live in South Texas, so the jobs get filled by nurses brought in from Ireland & the Phillippines. Oh well.

dg

[TransitJohn]

31. The nursing shortage

is in rural nursing. If you were current on the issues, you'd know this.

[undeterred]

32. Other than mortician, I don't know what is a "safe" occupation

any more. People are going to keep dying, that's for damn sure. But I know lots of people who took out huge loans to try to get into a high paying computer job and now they have no job or a low paying job and debts they cannot pay.

[Feron]

33. There are plenty of nursing jobs here.

I see ads for them all the time. It must vary by location.

[Pisces]

34. Well I know there will be no shortage of asshole poutrage on this site. Too bad it doesn't pay.

[Kaleva]

36. This thread needs pics.

[Horse with no Name]

38. I think it is a regional thing

The more desirable places to work have no shortages....the less desirable places to work have huge shortages.
Our hospital CANNOT fill the positions because it is a shithole with crappy benefits.
The hospital 20 miles up the road NEVER has any openings because they staff properly and have great benefits.
In the old days, the GN's UNDERSTOOD that they had to start in the shit jobs with the shit hours and work themselves up. These days (and not speaking of you, just generally), the majority of GN's around this area want the CHOICE positions...and are not willing to work in the trenches like those of experienced nurses have had to do. There are plenty of jobs, albeit they may not be the jobs you want (again speaking generally of our area).
Good luck. I am sorry you are having a tough time.

[uppityperson]

60. And why risk your license to work understaffed in an unsafe facility?

That is what we are dealing with now, how to change things to keep the most jobs, but how to keep it safe also.

[riverdeep]

63. Exactly. I don't think I would want people who are treating me to be at the breaking point.

I want people who are well taken care of and not having to take on so much that they can't handle it, and then wind up making an error when I'm in their care. That trial by fire initiation is bullshit, for doctors or RNs or whatever. The public is not served.

Here's an idea: if the jobs in the undesirable locations can't be filled by Americans, maybe they should offer more money or benefits or improved working conditions INSTEAD OF HIRING FOREIGNERS. Always going back to the well of the cheap labor pool.

[Lost-in-FL]

40. The need for Health care employees is irrelevant... It the budget stupid!!

Those CEO's still want their fat bonuses at the end of the year and Doctors want hospitals to buy them new medical toys from GE et all.

[BlooInBloo]

42. Whoa - I totally had the wrong idea about this thread.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

62. I was pretty disappointed, too

Turns out it's some economic thingie...

[KillCapitalism]

43. This "move to where the jobs are" is a load of crap.

It isn't an option for a lot of people. Some can't sell their homes due to this crappy economy. Some, like me have sick relatives they need to assist.

We have to stop outsourcing our jobs and stop bringing in cheap foreign labor.

It should be just as easy to get a nursing job in Detroit as it is in North Dakota.

[thelordofhell]

44. Can we nominate the DU AdBot for a DUzy on this?

I got to the ad at the end and laughed my ass off.

[GreenTea]

47. Over-worked/understaffed/under-paid Nurse's Fucked by corporate hospitals the AMA & greedy doctors

who need five houses and the cold-hearted insurance companies health for big profit on the sick and helpless and the republicans....

Single Payer Universal Health Care for ALL NOW!

[Liberal_in_LA]

48. Uhmmm... can you retitle this thread?

[MiniMe]

50. Agree

I clicked on it to post the same thing

[hughee99]

51. +1

I think I had spam in my yahoo inbox with the exact same title.

[JVS]

52. I heard that was one hell of a movie!

[Political Heretic]

53. I saw that one.

;)

[dysfunctional press]

55. i saw that one on youporn too...it was HOT!

nt

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