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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:36 AM
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Iranians treated British like US treating Gitmo prisoners...
...but Iranians let the British prisoners go after two weeks.

Some prisoners at Gitmo have been there over five years.

IRAN:

Addressing a press conference a day after the group's return to Britain, Royal Marine Captain Chris Air and naval Lieutenant Felix Carman said they had been isolated from each other, handled roughly and told they faced seven years imprisonment if they failed to confess to being in Iranian waters.

They were at times blindfolded and handcuffed when lined up against a wall and their Iranian captors used mind games in a bid to get information and confessions.


US:

Conditions for detainees at the US military jail at Guantanamo Bay
are deteriorating, with the majority held in solitary confinement,
a report says.

Amnesty International said the often harsh and inhumane conditions
at the camp were "pushing people to the edge".

...The group said the facility had "created even harsher and apparently
more permanent conditions of extreme isolation and sensory
deprivation".

It said the detainees were reportedly confined to windowless cells
for 22 hours a day, only allowed to exercise at night and could go
for days without seeing daylight.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:38 AM
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1. It's my belief we could do a better gift bag.
When we release them.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:38 AM
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2. I just don't know if we want to make Iran the standard for humane treatment of prisoners
But it's certainly telling that we are a few rungs on the ladder below them.

Bryant
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 12:42 PM
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7. The US should lead the way in expanding humane international standards...
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 12:42 PM by Eric J in MN
...for treating prisoners, regardless of whether the prisoner is a POW, suspected criminal, or in some other category.

No long isolation. No sleep deprivation. No blindfolding or hooding. No painfully loud audio.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:38 AM
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3. Nonsense. The Brits weren't routinely tortured
Nothing that they described in the press conference was anything like the ongoing torture allowed at the US concentration camp.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:53 AM
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6. Yes, I meant that some of the bad elements like isolation...
...and sensory deprivation are similar.

The US has also tortured people at Gitmo, and so the treatment by the US is worse.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 12:44 PM
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8. What's the issue with blindfolding?
Can a prisoner be blindfolded for transport in order to not give away their location?

That's a bit different then the full blown sensory deprivation, isn't it?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 12:47 PM
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9. I don't know if the British were only blindfolded during transport.
Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 12:48 PM by Eric J in MN
I know that the US kept hoods on prisoners at Abu Ghraib when they were inside the prison, and choked a man to death by hanging him by his hands with a hood on until he suffocated.

Anyway, I don't believe in blindfolding, including during transport. There should be no secret prisons, and therefore no need to keep a prisoner from knowing where he's going.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 12:50 PM
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10. They were even blindfolded each time they went to the toilet nt
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 01:02 PM
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11. The British prisoners? NT
NT
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 01:04 PM
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12. Yes. nt
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:41 AM
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4. Iranians are trying to make a case about boundaries and British unready?
U.S. trying to take able bodied males off the street?
U.S. trying to condition jail monsters for a coming martial law?
U.S. severely intelligence impaired so going at it raw and barbarian like?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:43 AM
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5. Good points.
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