The Murchison Meeting: LBJ's Mistress Implicates Him in Kennedy Assassination

[IndyOp]

...also mentions Nixon and Bush.

Maybe now that we have http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x586531">The last confession of E. Howard Hunt: US government/CIA team murdered JFK, people will be interested in learning more about the possible connection of LBJ and other power players to the assassination.

Why am I interested? I think Gore Vidal was right when he said (paraphrasing): "We began to lose our nation the day we let them get away with lying to us about the Kennedy assassination."


The Murchison Meeting - Video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1929769365635576415


Bush Link to Kennedy Assassination - Video - *****
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031&q=Alex+Jones&pl=true


JFK Murder Solved - William Dankbar interviews James Files - a shooter on the grassy knoll who worked for the mob
http://jfkmurdersolved.com/interview.htm

[Buzz Clik]

1. Wouldn't it be cool if ALL the conspiracies merged into one big tinfoil festival?

LBJ and GWB could be implicated in JFK's assassination, and their mistresses and/or offspring went on to plan 9/11 that was a plot to force GM crops and fluoridated water onto the populace.

[rasputin1952]

2. Then buy tainted gluten from China to kill off the pets of loving...

Americans who would be, by then, so depressed, they'd accept a new tyranny...:)

[Buzz Clik]

3. Speaking of poisoned gluten, rasputin ...

How's your resistance to rat poison? Melamine?

[rasputin1952]

5. LOL...

More cakes and brandy!!!!...:P

[Buzz Clik]

8. Perfect. My idea of the way to begin a weekend.

:thumbsup:

[Morgana LaFey]

14. You're going to be horrified to learn

that that scenario isn't all that far off the mark.

Seriously.

[Buzz Clik]

17. Horrified, or amused.

In the alternate reality of conspiracy theories, there's no such thing as coincidence, unlikely events, or physics. Fortunately, there is humor, whether intentional or not.

[bobbie]

25. Perhaps you could make a critique of substance to further the discussion

Or perhaps you can't...

It takes a deep knowledge of history to understand what happened in 1963, and the fact that the same gang is still in power.

[Buzz Clik]

44. You can't dispute this incredible bullshit.

You have a bunch of cooked up conspiracies based on smoke and paranoia, and you want a substantive debate?

[bobbie]

45. "You can't dispute this incredible bullshit." Apparantly YOU can't Buzz Clik.

Because there are a couple of things working against you:

1--You seem to lack the requisite knowledge of modern American history.
2--If you had the requisite knowledge of modern American history, you couldn't dispute the fact that the CIA & military intelligence personnel murdered President Kennedy using money from rich Texas oil moguls and others, and multiple professional assassins including anti-Castro Cuban exiles shooting high powered rifles from at least three locations in Dealey Plaza, at a totally unprotected presidential motorcade with drunk and complicit SS men leaving a wide open target so that LBJ could become President and give the war profiteers like Brown & Root (his primary financial supporters and today's Halliburton) the war contracts in Vietnam that would make them wealthy.

And I haven't even addressed the cover up and the Warren Commission.

"You have a bunch of cooked up conspiracies based on smoke and paranoia, and you want a substantive debate?"

Very much so. That's how people learn Buzz Clik.

So I invite you to dispute ANY of what I just said. I'm try to make it easy on you. I gave you a lot of material.

If you have the knowledge to back up your claims, and IF the FACTS support you, and IF I'm wrong, then you should be able to shoot my scenario so full of holes that it will look like President Kennedy's head after the assassins got through with him.

[Buzz Clik]

46. yak yak yak.

I won't read this crap.

JFK has been dead for over 40 years, and if he'd survived that day, he would still be dead of old age. But the brainless consipracies remain.

By the way, your tinfoil hat is totally stretched out. Time to fold a new one.

[bobbie]

47. Gee Buzz, why am I not surprised that you can't discuss details of this subject?

Thought it's interesting that you care enough to post mini-flames on this thread, but not quite enough to post discussion and facts.

All flame and no light...
:evilgrin:

[Buzz Clik]

48. Can't? Hardly. It's been done and done and done for 40 solid years.

For the conspiracy theorists, time is an ally. People die. Memories fade. Evidence disappears. And the opposition gets sick and tired of refuting the same shit for the fortieth year in a row.

You want to believe that LBJ shot JFK while GWHB shot the governor and let Oswald take the fall? Please, be my guest. If you still believe that incredible horseshit -- as irrelevant as it is decades later -- then go right ahead.

[bobbie]

49. Dispute one single point of what I said. Just one, based on FACTS.

Just one...

I'm so trying to make this easy for you. Help me help you...
:evilgrin:

[Crabby Appleton]

37. and the evidence was being stored in WTC 7

now you know -- but don't tell anybody, it's suppose to be a secret.

[Buzz Clik]

43. LOL!

btw -- love the nick. Tom Terrific will be honored.

[bmbmd]

41. Well-the Aspens are

indeed, all connected. And a river runs through it.

[TnDem]

4. I hate to say this but....

As the owner of a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle set up just like Oswald had and after my wife and I made a week long visit to the sites in Dallas, I can assure you that Oswald could have easily made the kill shot.

People just love a good conspiracy, but I think Oswald was the only shooter PERIOD.

I have studied, read and participated in analyzing the issue. I think the only conspiracy was some covered-up bumbling on the part of the US Government.

[WinkyDink]

6. I've read and studied this topic, also, and I disagree with you.

There are plenty of other issues, besides the rifle's capability.

[TnDem]

7. Sure there are....

And I have looked at most of the other evidence keenly.

There is simply no evidence of another shooter.

[rasputin1952]

9. There are two missed shots, one hit the curb to right, the piece of curb

was removed and replaced in remarkably swift time. The other hit the abutment of the bridge, where a man was struck in the face w/pieces of concrete. With all of the echoes and the rapid evolvement of things happening, already notoriously innacurate eyewitness testimony was in jeaopadry.

3 shots, 4,5 shots close to simultaneous...I'm not convinced Oswald was a shooter, no less the only shooter in Dealy Plaza that early afternoon.


FWIW, my dad brought back a Carcano from the war, and it was one piece of garbage; you'd have a good chance of beating someone to death w/the thing, other than that, it was a dud...at least the one he had.

[Jack Sprat]

12. everyone gets hung up on the shooter

and magic bullets, etc. I think too much. The conspiracy lies in the planning, commission, and Warren Report. Who was behind Oswald? Where was the Secret Service? Why did Ruby ruin the remainder of his life to shoot Oswald in cold blood in front of me and millions of others that Sunday morning? Oswald was no doubt the shooter and very likely the only shooter, but it is the planning, the setup, and coverup that still intrigues everyone.

[IndyOp]

13. That was Oliver Stone's big point - not who was the shooter, but why was it done? (n/t)

[PhilipShore]

16. Oswald was what he said he was a "patsy" n/t

[TnDem]

35. The problem is...

There is not ONE scrap of real proof.

And without proof, it is all speculation.

I happen to think that Posner did a good job with his book by the way.

[truckin]

21. Based on what I have read on the Kennedy assasination, I agree

with Jim Garrison's belief that 2 things are certain. One is that there was more than one shooter. This is based on interviews with bystanders on the grassy knoll, some ex-military, and also eyewitness testimony from a doctor at Parkland hospital about the wound to Kennedy's head.

The second certainty that Garrison believed was that the government participated in the cover up. There are reams of data that support this but Garrison refers to the fact that the government did not have possession of Kennedy's brain only a few years after the assination. Think about that. The US government does not know the whereabouts of the most important piece of evidence in the biggest murder in the 20th century.

[Liberal OIF Vet]

11. Back and to the left.....

Back and to the left.....Back and to the left......

Sorry, rear shot to the head won't do that.

[TnDem]

36. Sure it will...

You have no clue about ballistics and involuntary reaction to bullet trauma.

This was already disproven when the movie "JFK" came out.

[orleans]

15. (magic bullet, magic bullet, arlen specter, magic bullet)

[hang a left]

50. Back and to the left...

Back and to the left
Back and to the left
Back and to the left
Back and to the left























Back and to the left

[PhilipShore]

10. JFK was shot by a German team of assassinations --- posing as Russians ---

LBJ had nothing to do with it. Soon after the assassination, they crossed the border into Mexico and/or Canada. They used the Texas police that were in the KKK, to send them info overseas; so as to find doubles, that looked almost exactly like the actual assassinations -- to divert the investigation, from the real killers.

[TnDem]

20. All fine and well, but...

There is simply NO proof of any of that wild speculation..

Which is my problem with all of these wild conspiracy theories.

[lksmith]

22. "no proof of any of these wild conspiracy theories"

Does that mean conspiracy theories for which there is proof, are not "wild" conspiracy theories?

In case of the JFK assassination, proof such as the Hoover memo - one of many pieces of evidence frequently presented by Octafish.

see this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=589568&mesg_id=596970

and this journal:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/octafish

[TnDem]

34. I saw them both...

And they prove nothing...

They appear to be the results of a helpful businessman and a paranoid government.

There is no smoking gun. I read these memos several years ago.

Where is the proof?

[lksmith]

40. I pointed you not just to two memos, but also to a body of evidence

That body of evidence in particular contains several smoking guns, such as multiple security stand downs. I find it hard to imagine you have never seen a JFK OP by Octafish. For most of the evidence those contain it has not even been attempted to refute it.

[TnDem]

42. Sure I have...

The video from the motorcade leaving Love Field of the agents ,(Henry J. Rybka), being ordered off the car has been shown ad nauseum. From memory, I think that the Secret Service supervisor, (Emory Roberts), later stated that they were staying at Love Field to set up security for Kennedy's departure from Dallas. Obviously poor spur of the moment planning, but hardly a smoking gun.

I think there was some minor cover-up in the report issued about which agent was where when everything went down. There was then a follow-up report issued with everything corrected. Again, shitty record-keeping in a fluid and panic situation, but no smoking gun.

There was an often overlooked drinking incident only hours before in Fort Worth where many of these agents were involved. If there is a cover-up here, it would point to a critical lack of judgement on Roberts part due to the effects of alcohol and lack of sleep.

Also, and importantly, SAC Emory Roberts often had the agents on the back of the car stand down. This was common. It depended on his assessment at the time, (crowd size, threats, etc.).

[PhilipShore]

30. Well -- they set it up so their would be no proof

I was only an infant at the time, but if I was president; I would of closed down the CIA and moved all spy operations back to the US Army. Then -- I would of increased funding to hunt down any and all Nazi war criminals in the USA and in South America.

LBJ made a huge strategic mistake; in not going after JFK's killers; because when World war II ended, most of the Nazi war criminals that moved to South America to escape prosecution, never recognized the ending of the war, and they had and continue to have hundreds of millions of dollars, called "Nazi Gold" that they use to continue the war against the United States.

[TnDem]

33. Bottom line....

No proof= No proof..

Everything else is speculation at BEST.

I can turn a routine trip to the grocery store into a secret mission with enough nuts telling un-verifiable stories and half truths and outright lies.

Then there is the government's tendency to cover up anything they can in case they look bad. In the end it always LOOKS like a conspiracy, but is it?

Without proof, nope...

[Octafish]

18. What we know is the tip of the iceberg.

And what a corrupt and sick thing that is we see.

What's shocking, to me, a Kennedy Democrat, is how many people are so quick to attack those interested in finding the truth about the rest of the iceberg.

Here's an interesting document, one tying George Herbert Walker Bush, a leading figure of today's War Party, with the events in Dallas:



TRANSCRIPT:

TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

Gee. Now why would a nice oil man from Texas be treading where so many CIA spook Bay of Pigs veteran types were reported being? Mr. Hoover wanted to know:

Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #

Fine people, those Bushes. Especially for the War Party. GHWB's son, George W., for instance, lied America into a war. That's another iceberg We the People need to examine.

[IndyOp]

19. The Hoover memo is just incredible... Thanks Octafish! (n/t)

[malaise]

24. I remain curious about the reason(s) why

George H mentioned the Warren Commission at Ford's funeral.

[Octafish]

27. Who do You Trust: Poppy Bush or Your Own Eyes?

I, too, wonder, malaise.

From GD straight to the 911 Dungeon:

Regarding JFK Assassination—Who do You Trust: Poppy Bush or Your Own Eyes?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x136109

These traitors are worried -- for good reason.

[malaise]

28. That's my feeling too .

Thanks for the link.

[Wiley50]

23. I sat all yesterday pm and evening reading all of the links at

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/index1.htm

I think I believe that James Files did fire the fatal shot

In fact, I think I buy the whole story

[IndyOp]

31. The evidence of tooth marks on the bullet found at the scene I find

compelling - in terms of Files' having been there. Whether he fired the final shot I don't know if he knows... There could've been other people on the scene that he did not know about.

[Canuckistanian]

26. LBJ's mistress?

Of course, I forgot all about her.

:wtf:

[loudsue]

29. That video is so interesting! I knew a lot of what had gone down, but

this fills in a whole lotta blank pieces.

This same shit is going on, and Kellogg/Brown/Root is the same bunch who are involved with Halliburton.

The mafia truly is RULING this country. And now they own the voting machines. The coup to beat all coups.

:kick::kick::kick:

[napi21]

32. I understand what you mean, but you defame the Mafia.

Believe me, the members of the Mafia, at least those who were running things, were NEVER as stupid as this crowd!

[Gin]

38. was the part about Johnson being indicted if the assassination

hadn't happened, true?

I don't recall ever hearing that about him.

[lksmith]

39. Intel agencies use criminal elements just as law enforcement

uses criminals as "informants". It is routine and well documented.

These days stupidity seems to be the catch-all argument for innocence regarding all the Really Big Crimes.