Ya know what? The only ones who want real health care reform are the little people

[Stinky The Clown]

The ones who actually make law and/or get enriched by passing laws one way over another don't want reform. They want legalized cash spigots installed on their wallets.

And until someone in that circle decides to side with us ........ we're gettin' another shit sandwich.

Mark

My

Words

Go ahead, squabble about it. Let the cheerleaders cheer and the detractors detract.

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER what YOU want. You'll get what you get and you'll like it or you won't (I'm betting most won't). It has always been this way and it shall always be this way.

Go ahead, write all the letters you want. Tell me another letter writing campaign that bore any fruit. Name just one.

Nobody CARES what YOU think.

If you're feeling fucked it is because you are.

[raccoon]

1. Yep. The ones who want it are the ones who need it. nt

[lunatica]

2. Yesterday I went to my get pre-surgery physical exam

I got an EKG and had blood drawn and saw five people who all had at least three papers they filled out while they did whatever their part of the physical was. And on top of that the actual doctor I saw looked me up in their computer database. They all asked me the same questions about what the operation (cataracts) was and in what eye, and they all seemed relieved that their paperwork had it right. So just for me there were at least 10 pieces of paperwork filled out. I've noticed this every time I've been there. For every patient paperwork is filled out even if the nurse just pops in the check someone's pulse. I can't imagine the mountain of paperwork that's generated even as the system has gone online. This is Kaiser Permanente.

But I did ask them what they thought of single payer health coverage and all of them were absolutely for it. One woman, the Registered Nurse who took my blood said she's from Canada and said she thought their health care system is great. She also said people who are put in nursing homes live in places that are like good hotels and that they're cared for very well. In her view the United States is far behind in an inexcusable way compared to the Canadian and European systems of health care. She was puzzled that there was even a debate going on. She also pointed out that those who are deciding the future of health care are actually getting the Canadian kind themselves, as are the veterans, and that both are state of the art health services.

Yeah. We're being screwed.

[sisters6]

5. Thanks for the write up. It must

seem odd that we are even debating 'reform' to many. PBS (I think--or was it cbn) had a good segment on the Brazil health care system last evening. It is -right-written into their constitution. Lets have that debate and heads would explode--even from Democrats.

[Ganja Ninja]

3. People need to stop buying the same excuses over and over again.

'We didn't call or write enough' and 'Democrats need to grow a spine'. Lets just admit the awful truth. They've been bought and we've been scammed.

[Fumesucker]

4. I pretty sure of what we're going to get..

Mandated purchase of private insurance.. With penalties if we do not feed the health insurance monster.

We *might* get a pathetic public option but that's by no means certain.

All of us little people know who is calling the shots in this "debate" and it damn sure isn't us.

[babylonsister]

6. Your friend Pelosi had this to say, but

people are more invested in bitching and moaning. She's got some clout, but no one wants to work with her, at least not here. Yes, it's not single payer, but it's better than what Daschle or Bachus are proposing.



http://washingtonindependent.com/47832/pelosi-reiterate...

Pelosi Reiterates Commitment to Strong Public Plan
By Mike Lillis 6/18/09 2:37 PM


From House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) weekly press conference, as reported by Roll Call (subscription):

Pelosi made clear Thursday that some version of the program — “It may not be called ‘public option,’ but it will be a level playing field,” she said — is the price of admission for health care reform in her chamber. “We will have a public option in the House that will be real,” she said. “What’s not real is no use doing.”


The statement is reference to several proposals floating around the Senate that would water down the government-backed plan, either by delaying its arrival with coverage and cost triggers, or by creating a co-op arrangement that would result in smaller patient pools, thereby lessening the buying power (and increasing premiums) of the alternative-coverage option.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. They're all saying "things" ....... but it seems somehow all insincere and ... well ... competitive.

Think of it as a sports team. Each player has a defined role. One is for this and one is for that. One is against that and the other is for this.

Or maybe think of it as an ensemble cast in a stage play. We have the leading man and the leading lady. The villain. The ingenue. The crazy uncle and the dotty grandmother.

Or maybe think of the minor royals engaged in a palace intrigue. The most important tools to all the game players are the useful idiots. Each useful idiot assigned a role. Refer to the two analogies above.

Circle.Rinse.Repeat.MixMetaphors.

Has anyone heard even ONE clear statement from anyone? The more they speak, the less they say.

[Voltaire]

8. You are correct

And it ain't just healtcare. Its over folks. Obama is just a way station on the path to oblivion. Enjoy.

[baldguy]

9. Right - just the LARGE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE want health care reform.

It's not like they have any money or count in a democracy or anything.

[EOTE]

10. Don't tell us what we want!

We're more than capable of making up our own minds, thank you very much.

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Congratulations!

I dub thee ...... Sir Them

[PHIMG]

12. When need to march on Washington! n/t

[WeDidIt]

13. Damned straight!

TRUTH!

[bvar22]

14. Nothing short of MILLIONS of "Torches and Pitchforks"....

...will get us any real reform.

[Stinky The Clown]

16. Maybe those French revolutionaries had the right idea.

Storm that damned Bastille!

[girl gone mad]

15. Then it's time to throw the bums out.

[Jakes Progress]

17. It seems stupid to me

that major corporations don't demand universal, single payer health care. We lose jobs daily to companies in other countries that do not have to pay for health insurance for each employee.

It also seems dishonest for those that trumpet the need for innovation and entrepreneurial practices to be against it. I know of many people who would start their own business if they didn't have to have the health care they have now.