We can't lose in Iraq...

[butterfly77]

what do you think they mean when they say this. When I hear this I all I think of is that they feel that we can't leave until they get control of all of the oil, or that once they get all of the parties to come together and agree then america can leave.

From what we see day by day I don't see this happening since they have been fighting for years and they hate americans. Another problem is that once america thinks that everything is going well they will break out fighting once again. Due to all of the killings that have happened no matter how the oil is distributed many will continue try to avenge the killing of someone.

In the meantime, I don't see how we could continue on with this when there is not enough military or equipment. Bush seems to want to continue as our country (america) resources and infrastructure are being depleted and those who have not caught on yet are beginning to, as jobs are being lost,crime is going up and other problems are beginning to be seen on a daily basis.

We don't have any good choices and it seems as though bush will destroy what we do have to say that he has obtained victory. When all is said and done what the republicons have done to this country has been so devastating to so many that it will be very hard to repair...

[Tom Joad]

1. It means the US elite cannot let Iraq choose an independent way from

the US, that if it chooses to do so, the US will take appropiate action. It will overthrow the regime or do everything in its power to make the people suffer. No matter who sits in the White House.

This pretty much sums up all of US foreign policy.

Look what happened to Iran in '53. The cia overthrew its last democratic leader.

[Jacobin]

2. They don't want to admit that they've already lost.

Its over. Its done. We've lost.

They want to pretend that if we just stay for another few Friedman Units, (until a dem is in office) that it can be 'won", which by the way they refuse to define, except in vague terms which are meaningless.

[butterfly77]

6. Everytime I hear them say they we can't lose...

I say "because" and they never give anything but some vague excuse...

[TwilightGardener]

3. Using terms like "winning" and "losing", or "victory/defeat", is just

a way to frame the issue so that ordinary Americans will be emotionally manipulated to support the war. BushCo knows what it will "win", and doesn't care what it will "lose". Winning and losing, in terms of American defense or Iraqi democracy, are not applicable. They were never the real reasons for which we went to war.

[butterfly77]

7. I can't understand how many people...

swallow this garbage about they will come over here and attack us. If anyone was really looking they would see that we are being attacked everyday in many ways. If anyone was really looking they could see that he is not doing anything to stop anyone if they wanted to attack, there are many people in this country that they know nothing about and anyone could attack just about anything if they really wanted too he is not protecting but himself and the occupants of the whitehouse and their families...

[TahitiNut]

4. A military occupation CANNOT be "won."

Period.

[karlrschneider]

5. Sometimes "winning" isn't the best outcome...like in Russian Roulette.

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