Unbelievable! Freepers are painting their own poster, von Brunn, as a far leftist!

[Ilsa]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2269077/posts

Holocaust Museum shooter von Brunn a 9/11 'truther' who hated 'neo-cons', Bush, McCain
Examiner.com ^ | 6/10/09

Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:43:22 PM by LdSentinal

The man accused of opening fire at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC on June 10, James W. von Brunn, left a trail of unhinged writings around the internet.

The anti-semitism of von Brunn is the first thing one notices when visiting these bizarre websites. However, like those of most "white supremacists", many of von Brunn's political views track "Left" rather than "Right." Clearly, a re-evaluation of these obsolete definitions is long overdue.

For example, he unleashed his hatred of both Presidents Bush and other "neo-conservatives" in online essays. As even some "progressives" such as the influential Adbusters magazine publicly admit, "neoconservative" is often used as a derogatory code word for "Jews". As well, even a cursory glance at "white supremacist" writings reveals a hatred of, say, big corporations that is virtually indistinguishable from that of anti-globalization activists.

James von Brunn's advocacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories also gives him an additional commonality with individuals on the far-left.

None of this will surprise readers of Jonah Goldberg's bestseller Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change , which clearly demonstrates that "fascism" of the kind advocated by the British National Party (BNP) and the likes of James W. von Brunn is just as likely to reflect "leftwing" views as "rightwing" ones. SNIP

These people are delusional.

[Kerrytravelers]

1. ??? "neoconservative" is often used as a derogatory code word for "Jews". ?????

Really? I have never once before heard this.

[realisticphish]

3. it's a subtle form of retconning

called "batshit crazy"

I love how they think white supremacists are leftist :rofl:

[Behind the Aegis]

7. I wouldn't say "often," but yes, in some cases it is code for "Jew."

It basically started after 9-11 and if I recall correctly it was in conjunction with the hearings. I don't recall seeing earlier uses prior to 9-11.

[sandnsea]

16. No, it is not code word for Jew, ever in any sense

It refers directly to the cabal, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. It started because people got wind of PNAC and the fact that they referred to themselves as the "vulcans", a cabal of neo-conservatives.

[Behind the Aegis]

19. Oh but it is. You're saying it isn't does not negate the fact it has been used that way.

It has been used that way on right and left boards. Funny you used the word "cabal" in your description.

[Dramarama]

21. Jack Levin

was talking about this on MSNBC. Should check out his books on hate Crimes

[sandnsea]

22. And you're saying it has

doesn't make it so.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Neo con is a very particular group of people

who comprised a political movement that emerged in the 1980s and 1990s, most of the core of the movement were former trotskytes, and some are Jewish.

Perhaps some righties have used it to mean Jew, but that is because they are as uninformed as to the nature of this movement as some folks on the left blogosphere. The first hint the movement was real was the publication of Fukuyama's "the End of History" a wonderful screed from the RW if you ever read one.

Oh and they also self referred as the Vulcans... and they are also behind this group called Project for a New American Century... which now goes by another name, still at AEI...

They were WELL known in intellectual circles by both the left and the right, but the term neo con came into common parlance actually BEFORE 9.11 as many of the advisors to Bush (and worked for Chenney) where the who's who of the movement, such as Rummy, Feith and Wolfowitz.

[Behind the Aegis]

28. I am aware of all of that information.

What I said, and still stand by because I have seen them (posts) with my own eyes, is I hadn't seen "neo-con" used in place of "Jew" until after 9-11. While it permeates the right-wing websites, I have seen it used as a code word for "Jews" on left sites. When someone says "neo-con" and then produces a list of 19 Jewish names, it is very easy to figure out the "code," as it doesn't require the Enigma Machine. When a poster never or rarely uses the word neo-con with the exception being about right-wing Jews, it is, again, easy to guess what they mean.

[Dogtown]

33. Citation?

You need to back that claim up.

[IDFbunny]

30. Neo-Con is code for Zionist

as most neocons aren't Jewish.

[Ian David]

11. Depends who you ask. But in some circles, they ignore the chrisTo-fascist NeoCons...

... and just pretend to only see the few Jewish ones in the mix.

[Dramarama]

15. I've seen Chomsky use it

[sandnsea]

23. As a term to define or slander Jews?

How did he use it? To describe the batshit PNAC and Bush regime? Everybody used the term to describe them and their political insanity.

[burning rain]

29. An old counterattack against the anti-war movement.....

that didn't give the desired results, so it's gotten less use for a few years now. The Weekly Standard would be a good place to research its use if you don't mind wading through some nasty muck. Pat Buchanan is one who very definitely liked to overly concentrate on those neo-conservatives who are Jewish. The lefty counterargument (or "countercounterargument" if you prefer) is that the problem with Wolfowitz is not that that he's Jewish, but that he's a warmonger and that any particularistic Jewish interest in Israel he'd have would be of the rabid Likudnik sort, which certainly does not represent all Jews or all Israelis. And I think that's a defeater for the "anti-neocon sentiment is antisemitic" line, as a philosophy geek might put it. It's one thing to say there are some bad apples in every barrel, as lefties would agree, and another that the whole Jewish apple barrel is rotten, which is clearly antisemitic.

[47of74]

2. It hasn't been a good couple weeks for the Freepers, has it?

This and what happened in Wichita was done by people connected to FreeperLand, making them look mighty bad in the process. What we see here is a typical freeper grasping at straws while the whirlwind sucks everything away.

[anigbrowl]

4. Link to examiner article if needed

http://www.examiner.com/x-722-Conservative-Politics-Examiner~y2009m6d10-Holocaust-Museum-shooter-von-Brunn-a-911-truther-who-hated-neocons-Bush-McCain

"The man accused of opening fire at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC on June 10, James W. von Brunn, left a trail of unhinged writings around the internet.

<...>

James von Brunn's advocacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories also gives him an additional commonality with individuals on the far-left."

More odious and poorly-reasoned garbage at link...but a special shoutout of thanks to our most unhinged truthers and their endless diet of poorly-informed woo. Happily I doubt that views such as those quoted above will have much impact on the debate.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. They are not delusional, they are using the definitions

created by a brit that have nothing to do with standard poli sci.

In that world view all authoritarian systems, nazis, commies, are left... and the libertarian types, (you may even say anarchists) are right.

Hope that helps in translating the code

[Bolo Boffin]

6. Dirty little secret - most 9/11 conspiracy theories are pushed by rightwingers

Alex Jones, Richard Gage, Steven Jones, and worse.

[NYC_SKP]

8. That is a Examiner.com piece, you realize, not an original Freeper writing.

I'm by no meaning defending it, but lets lay blame where it belongs, the SF article wrote the piece in your post and at FR.

http://www.examiner.com/x-722-Conservative-Politics-Examiner~y2009m6d10-Holocaust-Museum-shooter-von-Brunn-a-911-truther-who-hated-neocons-Bush-McCain

Holocaust Museum shooter von Brunn a 9/11 'truther' who hated 'neo-cons', Bush, McCain
Author: Kathy Shaidle
Kathy Shaidle is a National Examiner.

The man accused of opening fire at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC on June 10, James W. von Brunn, left a trail of unhinged writings around the internet.

The anti-semitism of von Brunn is the first thing one notices when visiting these bizarre websites. However, like those of most "white supremacists", many of von Brunn's political views track "Left" rather than "Right." Clearly, a re-evaluation of these obsolete definitions is long overdue.

For example, he unleashed his hatred of both Presidents Bush and other "neo-conservatives" in online essays. As even some "progressives" such as the influential Adbusters magazine publicly admit, "neoconservative" is often used as a derogatory code word for "Jews". As well, even a cursory glance at "white supremacist" writings reveals a hatred of, say, big corporations that is virtually indistinguishable from that of anti-globalization activists.

James von Brunn's advocacy of 9/11 conspiracy theories also gives him an additional commonality with individuals on the far-left.

:patriot:

[jayschool]

12. Examiner.com is not the SF Examiner

The SF Examiner is at SFexaminer.com

Examiner.com is a blogsite loosely related to "Citizen Journalism" started by Phillip Anschutz, who owns the Examiner paper in DC. It is a blog "citizen journalism" site that pays its "examiners" a penny per page view. Many of their writers are former journalists, many are not. Becoming an Examiner is way too easy. Pick any major (and most any minor) city in the U.S., and they've assembled a cadre of bloggers whom they can underpay to produce content. The "examiners" are not employees of the Examiner. Instead, they're independent contractors, for whom Anschutz and the Examiner.com do not take responsibility.

Thus, the crap in that article.

[Seen the light]

18. I've seen that mistake WAY too often

A link to examiner.com is no different than a link to blogspot.com.

[Kitty Herder]

24. I hate that website. It gives the appearance of being the website of a local paper.

It's misleading, in my opinion

[NYC_SKP]

27. corrected.

Thanks for the heads-up.

[fishnfla]

9. a real reicht winger would've use more firepower

puny lil' .22 is a liberal gun

[realisticphish]

10. damned guvmint took his bigger guns nt

[Eric J in MN]

13. Criticizing Bush from the right doesn't make one a liberal. NT

NT

[IDFbunny]

31. He went so far right he started to come around the other side

at least on a few things. Still a product of the right.

[provis99]

14. according to the Ayn Rand Institute jackass on Glen Beck,

liberals, by definition, are the only racists, because they're "collectivist" (whatever the heck that means).

See what kind of evil irrational twerps we're dealing with here?

What sewer did these right-wing slime-devils crawl out of?

[guruoo]

17. His webmaster's myspace page...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=405772267
All photos:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=405772267

[Blue For You]

20. LOL, he loves Sarah Palin, and hates Dan Rather. Doesn't sound

very "leftist" to me.

[krispos42]

25. Hatred of Bush and neocons spans both sides of the political spectrum

So does questions about 9/11. And true free-marketers are disgusted by the monopolistic characteristics of GOP donors.

[zbdent]

32. 8pm yesterday ... I made the prediction ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8463082&mesg_id=8463208

Hell, they'll probably start pushing the idea that these people committing these acts are "lefties" ... remember, it was the "Holocaust Museum" ... Holocaust implies Jews ... Jews imply anti-Palestinian ... Palestinian implies "liberals" ... ergo ... it was a liberal who shot up the Holocaust Museum ...

[JustAnotherGen]

34. Ahhh

The reality is - the Media will support their claims, because by and large - we (the left) take it on the 'chin' far too often. They know that they can get away with it, because Rush and Hannity get away with it. And point blank: We let them.

[PVnRT]

35. According to them, Nazis were National Socialists, so they're actually leftists

By their logic, North Korea really is a people's democratic republic.

[cali]

36. Just for the record: He never posted in Freeperville.

Someone there posted some of his shit.

[Ilsa]

37. I thought I saw his name as an author of a OP or reply. Do you think

you may have searched their site after he was scrubbed?