Give Roeder his CPAP machine, for pete's sake....

[MineralMan]

just as soon as all the uninsured non-criminals who have sleep apnea have theirs.

That seems fair enough to me...

[NightWatcher]

1. fuck him. I hope he's on suicide watch, sleeping on a metal bed wearing only a paper gown

[MineralMan]

2. Didn't read the rest of the post, didya?

There was a point there.

[NightWatcher]

4. read the post, a lot of other criminals have it tough too

but this whiny little baby has done nothing but complain. I get a little giggle each time I read of his "tough life" in jail

[MineralMan]

6. I'm not one to giggle at people's medical problems,

whatever their circumstance. I just find the disparity between the care given to jailed criminals and law-abiding poor people to be more than a little annoying. I don't want to deny criminals necessary medical care, but I definitely want universal health care for all those law-abiding people who cannot afford care.

That's why I'm holding this particular case up to the light. He's not going to suddenly die for lack of a CPAP machine. He can sleep in a sitting position, the same way poor people with sleep apnea do. Many live for decades like that.

[NightWatcher]

7. I've studied penology and am a supporter of prisoner rights, but I love his shocked realization

that actions have consequences. He appears to me to think that he would be worshiped for acting on behalf of his god and somehow be set on high and not thrown in jail. Now he's shocked to be treated like a criminal.

[MineralMan]

8. I don't disagree...

His lack of a CPAP machine is not going to kill him. Most people with sleep apnea don't have one, anyhow, and that's especially true of the medically uninsured.

I expect all prisoners to be treated humanely. I do not expect them to be treated better than the poor in this country are treated. Not at all.

That's why I say he should have his CPAP machine, just as soon as all those who are uninsured and not criminals have theirs if they have sleep apnea. We cannot treat our violent criminals better than we treat our own poor, for pete's sake.

[vanlassie]

9. Sleep Apnea can lead to stroke and death.

[MineralMan]

11. So can being shot in the head by a rabid anti-choicer.

Get some perspective here. Do you not realize that a majority of people with sleep apnea do not have CPAP machines? Among the uninsured, it is a huge majority.

I know the risks of sleep apnea, believe me.

[uppityperson]

13. It can, eventually. Going without for a week is probably minimal risk though

[MineralMan]

16. Yup.

Sleeping sitting up is a good interim alternative...one most poor people are forced to use if they cannot afford a CPAP machine. For pete's sake, what did people do all those years before CPAP machines became available to the average person with health insurance?

We go to far in our concern over this man. That is why I suggested that he get his CPAP machine when everyone who needs one and cannot afford it has one. Universal health care! Not just health care for those who can afford it...and jailed criminals. A little perspective, please.

[havocmom]

15. Yes, and OP's point is thousands of people who need the machine can't get it

Please read more than the OP subject line

[MineralMan]

21. Well, at least someone read the short post in its entirety.

Thank you!

[kestrel91316]

23. ......which is why all the poor and uninsured noncriminals need to have their FIRST,

before jail inmates get theirs.......

[havocmom]

26. Ah, someone else read the post all the way through

:thumbsup:

[ColbertWatcher]

12. He's being treated like a suspect.

These misinformed, government-hating Ayn Rand-fellators never seem to recognize the authority of our court system, but always seem to shout louder than anyone that their rights are being "denied" even when they're not.

Stupid libertarians.

[havocmom]

27. From his posts on OR, seems he was hoping for an audience of admiring fans at the chruch

Reality must be pretty difficult after the delusion of himself as beloved hero.

[MADem]

3. He should sleep sitting up--that'll solve his problem.

:evilgrin:

[MineralMan]

5. Yeah, that works. That's what people who can't afford health

care like CPAP machines do. I have a sister-in-law who sleeps in a recliner because she doesn't have health insurance. None of the rest of her family can afford to pay for her CPAP machine, either. She does OK with sleeping sitting, and her sleep apnea is the least of her problems.

[KittyWampus]

10. there is the issue of- do you give an inmate a device that has an electrical chord and hose

Seems the prison would be liable should he commit suicide.

[MineralMan]

14. That's an excellent question.

Perhaps they could strap him down in locked restraints while he uses his CPAP machine...you know...to prevent him from killing himself.

I do NOT want Scott Roeder hanging himself in jail. I want him to spend the rest of his miserable life in prison if he is conviced of murdering Dr. Tiller.

But, as you say...there are problems putting a CPAP machine in a jail cell.

[kestrel91316]

25. I like the idea of providing the CPAP machine once he's been convicted and

sentenced to life in prison, but of course you are right - the whole time he has it, he MUST be in restraints.

Works for me. Years and years of nights spent in restraints, but the poor baby WILL have his CPAP.

[MADem]

18. I say don't give it to him. Give him a foam wedge--he can sleep sitting up. NT

[havocmom]

19. Yep, if he has no sheets and no shoe laces, a machine with cords & hoses is not good

Amazing how some here are missing THAT point.

[krispos42]

17. I wonder how many times he's complained that prisons were too soft on the criminals?

It's be an interesting research project.

[MineralMan]

20. Ah, yeah, one of the "conservatives" favorite memes.

Very good point!

[krispos42]

22. I'm waiting for him to argue the cops should have just shot him on sight...

...and saved the taxpayer the expense of his arrest, trial, and prison term.

[Politicalboi]

24. LOL!

But he's not a criminal he says. Everyone else is but not him. LOL!