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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 12:03 AM
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65 years ago we began the final push to end German fascism. Thank the FSM that this bunch
of corporate whores weren't in charge of our nation then. We'd have been sacrificing our boys to defend Hitler & Co.

When will the real Democrats stand up and insist that we do what is right?

"those that stand for nothing will fall for anything"


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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 12:06 AM
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1. Thanks. n/t
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 12:28 AM
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2. You're welcome.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 12:53 AM
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3. The Ruling Class didn't really end fascism, it's just marketed differently now
K&R

Good post
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 01:04 AM
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4. Thanks. I haven't been on today during peak time, have there been any threads
regarding D-Day?

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rhymeandreason Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 01:08 AM
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5. Some American corporate interests
did support the Nazis. Henry Ford for example:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford

Ford and Adolf Hitler admired each other's achievements.<32> Adolf Hitler kept a life-size portrait of Ford next to his desk.<32> "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration," Hitler told a Detroit News reporter two years before becoming the Chancellor of Germany in 1933.<32> In July 1938, four months after the German annexation of Austria, Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest medal awarded by Nazi Germany to foreigners.<32>

<snip>

In 1918, Ford's closest aide and private secretary, Ernest G. Liebold, purchased an obscure weekly newspaper, The Dearborn Independent for Ford. The Independent ran for eight years, from 1920 until 1927, during which Liebold was editor. The newspaper published "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion," which was discredited by The Times of London as a forgery during the Independent's publishing run. The American Jewish Historical Society described the ideas presented in the magazine as "anti-immigrant, anti-labor, anti-liquor, and anti-Semitic." In February 1921, the New York World published an interview with Ford, in which he said "The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on." During this period, Ford emerged as "a respected spokesman for right-wing extremism and religious prejudice," reaching around 700,000 readers through his newspaper.<35>

Along with the Protocols, anti-Jewish articles published by The Dearborn Independent also were released in the early 1920s as a set of four bound volumes, in a non-Ford publication in Weimar Republic Germany cumulatively titled The International Jew, the World's Foremost Problem. Vincent Curcio wrote of these publications that "they were widely distributed and had great influence, particularly in Nazi Germany, where no less a personage than Adolf Hitler read and admired them." Hitler, fascinated with automobiles, hung Ford's picture on his wall; Ford is the only American mentioned in Mein Kampf. Steven Watts wrote that Hitler "revered" Ford, proclaiming that "I shall do my best to put his theories into practice in Germany, and modeling the Volkswagen, the people's car, on the model T."<36>


And of course IBM pitched in with the record keeping machines that the Reich needed to cope with the huge volumes of information they were dealing with.



http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/excerpts.php

Solipsistic and dazzled by its own swirling universe of technical possibilities, IBM was self-gripped by a special amoral corporate mantra: if it can be done, it should be done. To the blind technocrat, the means were more important than the ends. The destruction of the Jewish people became even less important because the invigorating nature of IBM's technical achievement was only heightened by the fantastical profits to be made at a time when bread lines stretched across the world.

So how did it work?

When Hitler came to power, a central Nazi goal was to identify and destroy Germany's 600,000 Jews. To Nazis, Jews were not just those who practiced Judaism, but those of Jewish blood, regardless of their assimilation, intermarriage, religious activity, or even conversion to Christianity. Only after Jews were identified could they be targeted for asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, and ultimately extermination. To search generations of communal, church, and governmental records all across Germany--and later throughout Europe--was a cross-indexing task so monumental, it called for a computer. But in 1933, no computer existed.

When the Reich needed to mount a systematic campaign of Jewish economic disenfranchisement and later began the massive movement of European Jews out of their homes and into ghettos, once again, the task was so prodigious it called for a computer. But in 1933, no computer existed.

When the Final Solution sought to efficiently transport Jews out of European ghettos along railroad lines and into death camps, with timing so precise the victims were able to walk right out of the boxcar and into a waiting gas chamber, the coordination was so complex a task, this too called for a computer. But in 1933, no computer existed.

However, another invention did exist: the IBM punch card and card sorting system--a precursor to the computer. IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success. IBM Germany, using its own staff and equipment, designed, executed, and supplied the indispensable technologic assistance Hitler's Third Reich needed to accomplish what had never been done before--the automation of human destruction. More than 2,000 such multi-machine sets were dispatched throughout Germany, and thousands more throughout German-dominated Europe. Card sorting operations were established in every major concentration camp. People were moved from place to place, systematically worked to death, and their remains cataloged with icy automation.

IBM Germany, known in those days as Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen Gesellschaft, or Dehomag, did not simply sell the Reich machines and then walk away. IBM's subsidiary, with the knowledge of its New York headquarters, enthusiastically custom-designed the complex devices and specialized applications as an official corporate undertaking. Dehomag's top management was comprised of openly rabid Nazis who were arrested after the war for their Party affiliation. IBM NY always understood--from the outset in 1933--that it was courting and doing business with the upper echelon of the Nazi Party. The company leveraged its Nazi Party connections to continuously enhance its business relationship with Hitler's Reich, in Germany and throughout Nazi-dominated Europe.

Dehomag and other IBM subsidiaries custom-designed the applications. Its technicians sent mock-ups of punch cards back and forth to Reich offices until the data columns were acceptable, much as any software designer would today. Punch cards could only be designed, printed, and purchased from one source: IBM. The machines were not sold, they were leased, and regularly maintained and upgraded by only one source: IBM. IBM subsidiaries trained the Nazi officers and their surrogates throughout Europe, set up branch offices and local dealerships throughout Nazi Europe staffed by a revolving door of IBM employees, and scoured paper mills to produce as many as 1.5 billion punch cards a year in Germany alone. Moreover, the fragile machines were serviced on site about once per month, even when that site was in or near a concentration camp. IBM Germany's headquarters in Berlin maintained duplicates of many code books, much as any IBM service bureau today would maintain data backups for computers.



If not for the courageous moral leadership of Franklin Roosevelt, the world might have fallen to the Nazis.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 09:23 AM
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7. Several large corporations were allied with US corporations
throughout WWII, several sent goods made here to the neutral Scandinavian countries where they were shipped to the Axis countries.
This seems to have gone on around the world -Example: the radial engines that powered many Japanese aircraft throughout the war were built under license from Wright/Cyclone in the US.

mark
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 07:36 AM
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6. The FSM was just a demented twinkle in some one's eye back then
but yes, our fully owned subsidiaries of __________ corporation are useless!
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 09:42 AM
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8. Umm, it was an equally dispicable bunch of corporate whores that enabled the rise of German fascism
If it weren't for the financing of Brown Bros. Harriman, Hitler wouldn't have had the money to rise to power. If it weren't for the technical assistance of IBM, the Holocaust wouldn't have been even a tenth as severe as it was. If it wasn't for people like the Dulles brothers, who provided legal cover, the Third Reich wouldn't have got the technical or industrial help it needed to rebuild its war machine. The list of culpable US corporations and personages goes on and on.

After the war, fascism was imported wholesale into the US. The Cold War wouldn't have been anywhere near as hot as it was if it wasn't for the fact that we put our whole Eastern European intelligence operation in the hands of a Nazi and war criminal, Reinhard Gehlen. This man systematically overestimated the Soviet threat (while simultaneously having his organization penetrated time and again by Soviet agents). This overestimation meant that the US overreacted in all sorts of matters, and this continued despite the fact that after 1958 we had independent intelligence(U2 overflights) directly contradicting Gehlen's BS. Why was this allowed to continue? Well, that ol' Nazi sympathizer, Alan Dulles, was in charge of the CIA, and besides, increasing military buildup was good for business.

We allowed a man who openly admired fascism and despised democracy (George Kenan) the influence to write the Containment Policy, our foreign policy mantra for dealing with the Soviet Union. We put a man on the moon using V2 technology, and put people who were sympathetic to Nazis and fascists, who had been indicted for trading with the enemy during WWII in high political office. Sadly the Nazi/US corporate connection has continued down through the years, and we suffer because of it. Hopefully it will be exposed one day.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 02:17 PM
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9. To those that replied, thank you. I am sorry that we seem to have largely ignored
what should be a great day of remembrance.

I only found three threads about D-Day in GD, and all of those were also ignored and dropped off the first page in minutes.


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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 05:52 PM
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10. Henry Ford was an equal opportunity Capitilist.
In the 1930s Ford built the only automobile factory in the Soviet Union (the Gorki automobil Zavod GAZ.) By the start of WWII, the Red army was running around on 1 ton model B ford Trucks. Its officers were riding in modified ford vehicles. Strange if Ford admired Hitler and the facisists so much,
why did he build the only automobile plant in the country for the Communists led by Joe Stalin. Maybe like Hitler, Stalin paid him for his services.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 11:11 PM
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11. I've often wondered about old Henry. On the one hand, he was a completely miserable, rotten,
son-of-a-bitch, worthy of the worst sorts of painful torment. I used to have a poster of him standing on a balcony of his plant (I assumed) looking down at his thugs beating the hell out of striking workers with his arms crossed and this purely evil look of approval on his face.

On the other hand, he was the guy that tried to pay his workers a lot more than the competition in order to assure their loyalty and their business. He also coined of of my favorite quotes regarding the obscenity that we call our banking and monetary system.

He seems to have operated strictly from the most vile base of self-interest, yet had an understanding of the weaknesses of it and made ample provisions for it.

I didn't know about his building a plant for Stalin, thanks for the info. I feel certain that he did it because he saw an opportunity to make another fortune. If nothing else, I think it would have been fascinating to have had dinner and drinks with him.


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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:11 AM
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12. I didn't know that either
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ford_Motor_Company#Soviet_Fords_and_the_Gorki

Soviet Fords and the Gorki

In May 1929 the Soviet Union signed an agreement with the Ford Motor Company. Under its terms, the Soviets agreed to purchase $13 million worth of automobiles and parts, while Ford agreed to give technical assistance until 1938 to construct an integrated automobile-manufacturing plant at Nizhny Novgorod. Many American engineers and skilled auto workers moved to the Soviet Union to work on the plant and its production lines, which was named Gorkovsky Avtomobilny Zavod (GAZ), or Gorki Automotive Plant in 1932. A few American workers stayed on after the plant's completion, and eventually became victims of Stalin's Great Terror, either shot or exiled to Soviet gulags. In 1933, the Soviets completed construction on a production line for the Ford Model-A passenger car, called the GAZ-A, and a light truck, the GAZ-AA. Both these Ford models were immediately adopted for military use. By the late 1930s production at Gorki was 80,000-90,000 "Russian Ford" vehicles per year. With its original Ford-designed vehicles supplemented by imports and domestic copies of imported equipment, the Gorki operations eventually produced a range of automobiles, trucks, and military vehicles.


Interesting.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:54 AM
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13. The US came astonishingly close to supporting Hitler. There was a plot to overthrow FDR.
They wanted to reduce FDR into little more than a figurehead and install a corporatist dictatorship. Many of the industrialists of the era admired Adolf Hitler's methods to dealing with the Great Depression, and they condemned FDR for being a "traitor" to his class for advocating higher taxes on the rich to pay for social programs to help the poor.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:58 AM
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14. And how appropriate that a thread originally intended to honor D-Day
(after a fashion) should come around to one of our nation's greatest heroes, Gen. Smedley Butler, the two-time Medal of Honor recipient that exposed the business plot.

One of these days, I'd really like to do some in-depth research to find the reasons why none of those traitors were ever prosecuted. Of course, we're probably seeing a reenactment of it right now, but the details would/might be fascinating.

To all those that made the sacrifice, thank you for saving the world, at least for a time.




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