110 mpg car??

[Thrill]

Wauseon plant to open Monday for 110-mpg car engines

WAUSEON - The man who drove his 20-year-old Mustang from Napoleon, Ohio, to Las Vegas and back last year on 39 gallons of fuel will open his first manufacturing facility Monday to allow others to get 110 miles per gallon.

Doug Pelmear, owner of Horse Power Sales.net Inc. and Hp2G LLC, will hold an open house Monday morning in the idle 100,000-square-foot factory he has leased in Wauseon to begin manufacturing his revolutionary engine.

The factory, on the Fulton Industries Inc. campus in Wauseon, will be tooled to initially turn out 20 of Mr. Pelmear's custom engines per day with one shift of 25 workers.

A Decatur, Ind., specialty car company, Revenge Designs Inc., has contracted with Mr. Pelmear to purchase 2,000 engines for use in a new vehicle it plans to unveil at the end of this year at the Los Angeles International Auto Show. The vehicle is to be called the Revenge Verde Super Car, which will use Mr. Pelmear's 400-horsepower engine and its 500 foot-pounds of torque to travel up to 200 mph and get 110 mpg - though admittedly not at the same time.

"The engine is going to be a really great partnership with the car," explained Emily Levault, a spokesman for Revenge Design. "The idea behind this was to give people what they want while putting people back in their jobs."

Ms. Levault said the Verde will be introduced as both a left and right-hand drive, so that it can be marketed around the world. She said details of its pricing have not been released.

Mr. Pelmear has said that he employs more precise tolerances and manufacturing techniques to decrease heat and energy loss and increase the efficiency of the internal combustion engine. He said he has more than quadrupled the industry average engine efficiency of about 8 percent.

Mr. Pelmear's company employs eight people, and he said he'll "take resumes" on Monday, but won't accept applications, for what would be his first shift of production workers. Depending on how the plant start-up goes, Mr. Pelmear said, "we'll probably add another 25 over the next three months after that." Mr. Pelmear did not say what workers will be paid.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090530/BUSINESS03/905300338/0/BUSINESS02

[Mythsaje]

1. If true, this guy is going to be RICH...

And he might actually start something important to boot.

[krispos42]

11. Yeah, when Big Oil buys the patents...

...and buries it in the desert next to the giant cache of unwanted Atari cartridges.

[salguine]

20. Or unless he has an "accident".

[chill_wind]

2. Wow! That would be fantastic. K & R.

eom

[armyowalgreens]

3. From what I understand most engines are around 20-30 percent efficient.

I don't buy this story.

[Speck Tater]

9. That's the figure I've heard too. Plus, an "ideal" engine might reach 70% at most.

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_engine#Efficiency

The claimed numbers really don't square with the laws of thermodynamics. Sounds more and more like a scam, or, if a legitimate engine improvement, it's being over-hyped, possibly to sell investors on putting money into it.

[krispos42]

12. 30% of the chemical reaction of burning gasoline is outputted to the transmisison

More or less. The rest is lost as heat, or used to run the accessories.



VW has an engine with a heat exchanger on the exhaust manifold that boils water and powers a steam turbine. The turbine is linked to the engine's crankshaft.

According to VW, it makes 13hp at highway speeds, a good number because your average car only needs about 40hp to cut the air at 70mph. This would reduce the engine's needed output from 40hp to 27, about a third, and boosting fuel economy by about 50%.


What it's doing is recovering heat that would be otherwise wasted to the atmosphere and turning it into more work.


Of course it adds a couple of hundred pounds to the car, but, hey.


It's in my journal, towards the bottom, if you're interested.

[ShadowLiberal]

15. I don't buy it either, if you drive really carefully you can get over 60 MPG on almost anything

There's even people who often get over 100 MPG driving cars that can only get a third or less MPG according to the government fuel rating. You just have to be really dedicated, and patient, and used to pissing off a lot of drivers by driving way too slow (because higher speeds are less fuel efficient, especially if you have to go from like 45 miles an hour to nothing at a red light).

[Tesha]

16. No no! You see, he's actually found a way to depress "absolute zero", thereby raising the Carnot...

efficiency of his engine.

(And if you work the math, you'll find that even if
my claim were true, it still leaves the main claim
as just so much bullshit.)

Tesha

[HughMoran]

4. "Mr. Pelmear has said that he employs more precise tolerances and manufacturing techniques"

"Mr. Pelmear has said that he employs more precise tolerances and manufacturing techniques to decrease heat and energy loss and increase the efficiency of the internal combustion engine. He said he has more than quadrupled the industry average engine efficiency of about 8 percent."

Well, I'm not sure what he's doing, but these two sentences are utter meaningless horseshit.

[armyowalgreens]

6. Same here.

You can increase an engines efficiency slightly with closer tolerances and better materials, but you cannot work fucking miracles. An internal combustion engine is doomed to be inefficient.

Not to mention, like I stated above, most engines are between 20 and 30 percent efficient. It's physically impossible to quadruple that.

[Speck Tater]

5. I wouldn't put any money on the eventual outcome.

If it pans out with independent testing then it would be great. But until somebody with no ties to the company and no ulterior motives reproduces those claimed mileage figures, I remain very skeptical.

[Codeine]

7. The story is straining

under the weight of so much bullshit.

[Statistical]

8. Sorry something isn't right

The loose use of technical terms.

The fact that the engine is rated @ 110mpg.

The WEIGHT of the car makes a big difference but a prius engine in a Hummer and you don't magically get 40mpg.

So it obviously isn't EPA rating of 110mpg because EPA rates final product not components.

I hate to be a cynic but the guy is standing in an empty warehouse talking about rolling out 25 engines per day.... makes me the think the next words are "once I get funding. You sir can own a piece of this very gold mine for just $10,000. These super engines with 400 horsepower and 110mpg will turn your $10,000 investment into $10 million in just a few years. Don't delay though. We only need 50 shares to get up and running and then we are closing the door to new investors".

I hope I am wrong but no engineer would use basic physics terms so incorrectly.

[BuyingThyme]

25. It doesn't run on gasoline.

That's what's not right.

[Ilsa]

10. The speculators will then drive up the cost of gas to $25 a gallon. Or higher. nt

[Enthusiast]

13. I'll take this with a grain of salt. nt

[Selatius]

14. If he found a way to burn gasoline in cars 5x more efficiently, it'll never make it to market.

Such a technology would be too disruptive.

[jmowreader]

17. First problem: "industry avg engine efficiency" is much more than 8%

Second, I want to see what his rear-end gear ratio is. IF he's got an efficiency gear in there, he's basically got to breathe on the gas pedal to maintain 55 with the engine he has.

[BlooInBloo]

19. 25-30%...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency

[BlooInBloo]

18. I'm calling bullshit.

[BuyingThyme]

21. Okay.

[votingupstart]

22. i checked their website - uh.....ETA: found it

http://www.revengedesignsinc.com/menu.html

no mention of the new efficient motors - looks like they hop up GM products to be more like race cars. ----- i see it now

[BuyingThyme]

24. Try this:

http://www.hp2g.com/

[alfredo]

26. Look down the front page.

On the Menu page it is in Latest in Revenge

[BuyingThyme]

23. This WIRED article is slightly more detailed:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/06/wonder-engine/