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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:11 PM
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Baucus soothes single-payer backers
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/june/baucus_soothes_singl...

By Carrie Budoff Brown
Politico
June 3, 2009

"Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) told leading advocates of a government-financed health care system that he made a mistake by not giving their proposals more consideration in the reform debate, according to participants in a meeting Wednesday.

...While he did say it was probably a mistake not to have given a full hearing to single payer in the past, he announced no intention of opening up the hearings on single payer in the future and we will therefore need to continue to press him, Himmelstein said.

...Those involved in the health care negotiations say single payers have been elevated precisely because Baucus excluded them. Baucus has been able keep almost every interest group involved in the process from speaking out against the ideas under consideration. But because they are not involved, single payers have been one of the only vocal constituencies hammering away at Baucus.

The virtual shut-out has emboldened the movement.

After being left off the invite list for the White House health care forum in March, single payer advocates alerted the media and won a seat at the table. They disrupted each of the Finance Committees three roundtables on health care in April and May.
And last week in Montana, single-payer advocates flooded town halls arranged by his Senate office, earning significant local media attention. Baucus did not attend the meetings, and sent staff and a videotaped message instead..."




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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:19 PM
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1. Fuck Baucus
He didn't make a mistate. He did it by deliberate intention, and will continue to do so. No wonder he's been able to keep almost every interest group in line. Most of them represent insurance companies, so what do they have to complain about?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:28 PM
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3. I agree it was no mistake and now he is saying it is too late to
open up the discussion, another bunch of BS.





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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:37 PM
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9. If he still chairs the Senate Finance Committee there's plenty of time.
Last time I checked he still does. What a liar. Guess he couldn't actually tell the truth or he would have had to say, "My insurance industry masters told me not to invite single payer advocates."
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 09:46 PM
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12. So true, funny how he did not make a mistake with the insurance
companies.

:eyes:



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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:24 PM
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2. "I Made A Mistake By Ignoring You
So I will continue to ignore you."

Holy cow.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:28 PM
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5. I slipped and barred you from the hearings.
My dog ate your invitation. I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:31 PM
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6. Unbelievable...now he'll use the power of his office to drop charges
against the doctors, nurses and other SP advocates.

:(

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:28 PM
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4. Im joing the GOP to block any half assed, insurance company welfare plan
Baucus comes up with.

Forget health "reform" on his terms.

Maybe if he fails his constituents will start to understand what an industry tool they elected so he can be ousted in the next election.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:32 PM
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7. I'll just be very selective in who gets my vote and contributions. nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:36 PM
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8. The Massachusetts Model: Massive Spending On Nonbenefit Costs
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/june/the_massachusetts_mo...

"...None of these programs produces efficiencies. The design does not reduce total health insurance outlays. Rather, CommonwealthCare adds massive costs to determine eligibility and then the amount of subsidy due, on top of the subsidies themselves. Those individualized determinations must be done hundreds of thousands of times in Massachusetts (many million times if applied nationally), not once but again and again because incomes dont hold still.

...Massachusetts provides subsidized coverage to individuals and families with incomes up to 300% of the federal poverty level. Only nine other states have equally generous limits. With state budgets now stressed by falling income and property tax revenues and increased outlays caused by growing unemployment, it is dubious that other states could afford to match Massachusetts level of subsidies even if they wanted to. Nevertheless, the House reportedly is fashioning a Massachusetts-like measure with subsidies available up to 400% of the federal poverty level.

The Massachusetts reform that congressional committee chairs seem about to advocate will neither provide universal coverage nor rein in costs. Nor will the toothless pledge by the health care industry to save two trillion dollars voluntarily. Announced by President Obama on a Monday, the pledge had been disowned by hospital, insurer, pharmacy, and doctor participants by Thursday.

Until we confront the billions wasted by matching hundreds of thousands of bills with thousands of differing plans, we will not achieve the savings needed to pay for covering everyone comprehensively. Our present course seems headed for reform in name only..."



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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 08:47 PM
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10. From the same article above...
"...Individuals and families with incomes above 300% of the poverty level get no subsidy, but they must participate in their employers insurance plan, if there is one. Many employees have declined employment-based insurance because they could not afford the premiums, deductibles, and copays required. Under the reform, with those costs rising, they must participate or incur a penalty over $1,000 in 2009. They can obtain an exemption only by persuading the Commonwealth Connector, the entity administering the program, that they cannot afford the least costly available policy. Success means no penalty and no insurance..."


President Obama today...

"...If we do end up with a system where people are responsible for their own insurance, we need to provide a hardship waiver to exempt Americans who cannot afford it..."


What happens to these people???





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madamesilverspurs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 09:06 PM
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11. ...
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-03-09 09:46 PM
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13. :)) nt
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