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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:17 PM
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Hillary, lawyer first and foremost.
She has just said she wishes to "fulfill the promise of America."

Sorry, but I'm looking for a leader who fulfills the contract with America (the contract formerly known as the constitution) first and foremost.

She is making Ron Paul look better by the minute.

Flame away.

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:18 PM
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1. Hillary is all about Hillary. She always has been and she always will be.
Just another self-serving, self-absorbed politician, imo.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:30 PM
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8. I, and everyone I know, wants Gore.
Puts Bill in a hard place but oh well.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:37 PM
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9. Bill put Bill in a hard place.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:19 PM
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2. I'm listening and she's appealing to what we want to hear, however,
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 01:19 PM by Cleita
I really want some details as to how she's going to effect change without pandering to corporate America. I'm actually demanding that of all the candidates.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:28 PM
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7. she won't diss the Military/Prison Industrial Complex
thats almost a given.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:19 PM
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3. Please don't tell me it's a choice between Hillary or Ron Paul. That's just
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 01:19 PM by John Q. Citizen
too depressing.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:24 PM
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6. I'll take him over a corperate Republican,
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 01:24 PM by DiktatrW
Installed by crooked elections any day, If we have to have a pug.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:15 PM
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11. Ron Paul is a libertarian, who calls himself a Repo. I admire a couple of things
about him and reject about 97% of his stands.



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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:31 PM
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12. I agree..
That still puts him 2% above Hillary.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:58 PM
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14. Have you checked out Kucinich? I agree with about 99% of his stands.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:16 PM
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15. Dennis is the best.
How do we get him elected.

He has the same chance as the afore mentioned for the most part as neither tow the party line or the politically correct line.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:20 PM
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4. Why did she plan this the same day as the
DC protest.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:22 PM
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5. Good question. n/t
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:48 PM
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10. What in the Sam Hill is wrong with saying that!??
I mean come on.

Look at my signature line.

What the people want is very simple - they want an America as good as its promise. - Barbara Jordan

I am not a Hillary supporter, but damn, I feel like I want to be just because of the over the top, nit-picking bullshit I read here.

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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 02:49 PM
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13. Over the top?
Guess you have a point, a leader who places the good of the nation before their own is to much to ask for.

Rock star sycophants can probably tell a great leader from their choice of campaign slogans and sound tracks better than most of the people looking for substance.

If the sheople want cake, then let them...

If Hillary introduces impeachment proceedings from the mountains of evidence available to the world and upholds the duties of her office and the rule of law in her spare time I will have to reconsider my opinions.

If that is too much to ask of any hopeful then perhaps verifiable voting. Hell I'll take anything in the direction putting the government back under the control of the people who pay the bill.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:41 PM
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16. Sorry, I didn't actually answer your question.
It's not about promises, they are made to be broken. Just ask any evangelical about how well that whole abortion thing went with bush and the republican majority.

Likewise the dems wont take the guns, they need the issue the same as the pugs need abortion.

What exactly is the promise?

Who made it?

When was it made?

What are the ramifications of not keeping this promise?

I want the leadership held to the same legal standards and consequences as any other citizen. No club FED. No special privileges. If you swore to uphold the constitution and are found to be not doing so, PRISON. good enough for a pot head who hurts nobody, good enough for a lying leader.

Would you continue to follow a liar into battle?

Uphold the constitution they (and I as a former service member) swore to uphold or go home in shame and let someone who is willing to do the damn job do it in obscurity and get it done!

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:48 PM
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17. When your impeccable messiah arrives, be sure to let us know.
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 03:48 PM by oasis
Meantime Democrats have enough work to do getting one of our people into the WH.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:53 PM
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18. Cop out response.
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 03:59 PM by DiktatrW
Would you continue to employ someone who steals from you?

Would you continue to employ someone who lies to you?

Edit: Does it take a mythical entity to uphold the law?

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:10 PM
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19. "lying" "stealing" Depending on the level of the offense, I would act
accordingly. Hillary's no saint but she is neither a theif or a liar.

JFK, FDR, George Washington. Name a past president who was flawless.Then name a current candidate for president who is flawless.

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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:23 PM
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20. Flawless?
Where did i ask for that?

Do you think finding an American who has not broken a solemn pledge to uphold the constitution is so impossible that all others should be graded on a sliding scale, perhaps of your choosing?

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:51 PM
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23. Not of my choosing. By the choice of the Democratic party and ultimately, the
choice of the American people.

But, since you don't seem to have any particular candidate in mind at the moment, perhaps you should just keep on looking and get back to us.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:59 PM
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26. With only 21 months left
I do feel I am slacking on not making a commitment.

but then again...
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:49 PM
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21. Carter.
Never heard of any decision he made that was in violation of his sworn duties.

thats all I'm asking for.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:55 PM
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24. Carter's a great statesman and humanitarian. Maybe Sen.Jim Webb is cut
from the same cloth. Time will tell. At any rate, Webb isn't running and we have who we have right now.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:02 PM
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27. It's January of 07.
I seriously think we may see one or two more enter before it's over.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:06 PM
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30. Gen. Clark, maybe.(eom)
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:19 PM
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34. At this point, HELL YES.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:26 PM
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35. The General is my only other choice right now.(n/t)
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:50 PM
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22. Maybe she will appoint an AG who has read the Constitution, too!
Now that would really rule!
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:18 PM
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33. Hope springs eternal. n/t
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 04:57 PM
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25. The law is a noble profession.
It is not an insult to be an attorney, and it is ridiculous to attack Hillary Clinton for having the skills and education necessary to be one.

Perhaps if Bush had to face professors of law and a bar exam, he would not be so quick to spit on the law.

Everyone hates lawyers, until someone violates their rights and they need one.

Our country needs a lawyer.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:04 PM
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29. When does Hillary
act like one and prosecute the criminals?
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:17 PM
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32. Perhaps if someone with the skills, education
and vested public authority had challenged bush from the start instead of thinking about their own political aspirations I would not be so critical.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:03 PM
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28. So, when did we start killing all the lawyers?
Is this because Bush killed the Constitution, and now they're unnecessary?
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:14 PM
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31. The original 13th ammedment,
the one that disappeared during the Cival War, made it illegal for lawyers to hold public office, from what I have read. (I can't swear to that one but always found it interesting)

Since I have not heard of any lawyers being killed yet I guess that is rhetorical?
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:41 PM
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36. Quite rhetorical.
So, lawyers shouldn't be allowed to make laws? Hmmmm...hadn't heard that one.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 05:54 PM
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37. Lots more here
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 06:14 PM by DiktatrW
http://www.amendment-13.org /

Edit: After holding a successful revolution, how do you find it reasonable to allow a lawyer accredited only by the former ruling entity to hold a degree of status?
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