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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:17 PM
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Let's Ban DRE Voting Machines --- ACTION
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 03:20 PM by helderheid



"The distinction between 'political' and 'performance-related'...is, in my view, largely artificial."
-- Kyle Sampson, asst. to Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez


Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The above opinion, relating to the Justice Department firings scandal, has corrupted U.S. elections.

“Political” victory and “performance-related” voting machines have become lethally mixed in the Direct Record Electronic voting machine (DRE.)

DRE victories are electronic. Even with a paper trail, DRE results are impossible to verify for accuracy and transparency.

HR 811, Congressman Rush Holt's Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2007, must be amended to ban the Direct Record Electronic (DRE) voting machine.

DRE ballots are electronic, not paper. Their electronic tally of electronic ballots is official, without check or balance, in 90% of DRE elections – even with a paper trail. Without amendment, HR 811 perpetuates this situation.

Many well-meaning legislators support HR 811 because they believe its "voter-verified permanent paper ballot" means that from now on, Americans will be voting on paper for security and accuracy. They are mistaken.

In HR 811, the DRE "voter-verified permanent paper ballot" is a paper audit trail. It will be used to check less than 10% of the vote. And studies show that many DRE voters forget or neglect to verify the paper trail.

An election in Orange County, CA was recently overturned in a recount. Absentee ballots were scrutinized for voter intent. Marks on those paper ballots convinced the Registrar in ten cases that the votes had been counted wrong, and the outcome flipped. The DRE paper trail was never used; the DRE votes were recounted electronically.

Despite California's paper-trail law for DRE audits, a manual recount of the paper trail was deemed too expensive and difficult, so the judge approved the electronic recount. Congressman Holt maintains that his bill would not have allowed this, but Californians thought the same thing when we passed our paper-trail law. Americans must eliminate this situation altogether by banning electric ballots.

DREs can target neighborhoods for electronic disenfranchisement. Dolores Huerta brought that message recently to Capitol Hill, bearing a study from New Mexico that showed undervote rates soaring when Native Americans and Spanish-language voters used DREs. Rates were similar to that in Anglo communities when New Mexicans went to all-opti-scanned paper ballots.

DREs, touted as necessary for special-needs voters, are as insecure for those voters' intent as for others. Touch-screen computers that do not tabulate but assist voters with disabilities and language needs to mark their ballots can restore security to those voters as they improve accessibility.

TELL YOUR CONGRESS MEMBER TODAY: BAN THE DRE!



Members of Congress are home on recess now; call their district offices so they'll know they can’t leave this problem inside the DC bubble. As Speaker Pelosi recently said: “Elections have consequences."

Sincerely,

Mimi Kennedy
PDA Board Chair

Progressive Democrats of America is a grassroots PAC that works both inside the Democratic Party and outside in movements for peace and justice. Our goal: Extend the victory of Nov. 2006 into a permanent, progressive majority. PDA’s advisory board includes six members of Congress and activist leaders such as Tom Hayden, Cindy Sheehan, Medea Benjamin and Rev. Lennox Yearwood. More info: http://pdamerica.org/.

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Iwasthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:20 PM
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1. agree and recommended
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:36 PM
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3. thanks!
:hi:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:21 PM
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2. K&R
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 07:00 PM
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11. thank you!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 03:47 PM
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4. Call you congresscritters NOW!!!
Edited on Tue Apr-03-07 03:55 PM by loudsue
Let's kill those electronic vapor votes ONCE AND FOR ALL! No wiggle room, the things are just poison, and we need to do away with them altogether.

K & R Let's do this!! Ask your congresscritters "WHAT, exactly, do you have against TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS??"



:kick::kick::kick:
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:02 PM
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5. Does this bill ban the DRE Optical Scanners as well? They are equally the problem.
I remember PDA was supporting a bill banning DRES some time ago.

At the time, I was happy to see this bill being supported, however it was until I asked the attorneys supporting the bills about the confusing absense of the optical scans, and they had no logical answer as to why the optical scans are conveniently absent from this bill. They said we should take one step at a time which others obediently accepted as truth.

Was it because these were attorneys telling us to trust them that they know what is best? Kind of like how people blindly accept the advice of a doctor? I'm not sure. It continues to not make logical sense to me.

I was disappointed they continued to ignore the concerns of the Optical scans, which tabulate votes and violate the Transparency statutes in the Voting Rights Act as well, and have been guilty of many irregularities and miscounts.

Google the problems with optical scans to learn more about what has happened in past elections.

To me, this looks like a convenient Mack truck loophole in this bill to allow the powers that be to still contain their hold. It is certainly not to solve the problem. To do that, the optical scans need to be decertifiec immediately as well.

The power of this bill will be totally useless and obsolete if optical scans/electronic loopholes are allowed.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:11 PM
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6. Tell them that too
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diva77 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:30 PM
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10. Yes, BAN OPTISCANS!!! Just remember Pottawattamie!!
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=2929


We can do better than DREs, Optiscans, Central Tabulators and all that machine junk!! We can do HCPB!!

http://www.democracyfornewhampshire.com/files/counting-votes-in-new-hampshir
e.pdf
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:13 PM
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7. K&R #5.(nt)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:22 PM
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8. thanks for putting it on the greatest!
:hi:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 04:30 PM
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9. You're welcome.
:hi: :kick:
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 09:56 PM
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12. Kicking the thread and DREs too! n/t
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 10:02 PM
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13. Many thanks! KICKETY KICK!! 2008 IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER!
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 10:53 PM
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14. props to John Edwards for making this an issue
As far as I know Edwards is the only candidate who has said anything about this, and he deserves a lot of credit for it.

People argue about the technological merits of this system or that, but the most important issue is making a simple, transparent system of voting that everyone can trust and understand. So far I have never heard any good argument why we should have anything more than simple paper ballots and a public hand count. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Anything else is just pork for Diebold, ES&S, and the rest.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 10:58 PM
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15. Kucinich has been working on this for quite some time as well n/t
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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:44 PM
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16. I like Kucinich, why don't we ever hear about him?
I have read some of Kucinich's speeches and I like him, it's no secret why CNN/FOX and the rest never give him airtime to explain his program. He's a smart guy and I agree with a lot of what he says. I hope he will take a lead on getting us simple, trustworthy paper ballots, I'd vote for him no problem.

Plus I know Kucinich was never "fooled by George Bush" about the invasion of Iraq heh :)

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-03-07 11:49 PM
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17. Why don't we hear about him....
got some time? :)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 10:38 AM
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18. Kick.(nt)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 03:52 PM
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19. kick
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 05:10 PM
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20. Kick!
:kick:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 05:35 PM
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21. kick your kick!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:00 PM
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22. I get a kick from kicking your kick kicked from previous kicks.
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