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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:32 PM
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Barack Obama's (and America's) Victory at Notre Dame
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Paul Raushenbush
Barack Obama's (and America's) Victory at Notre Dame


Barack Obama's graduation address at Notre Dame was a victory for the President and for the United States. From the moment he walked onto the platform, to when he was conferred the honorary doctorate, to during and after his speech, the applause for President Obama was overwhelming and continuous - apparently making up for the months of hype which gave much too much prime-time press to the most radical elements of anti-abortion movement.

At the announcement of Obama's address three months ago I guessed three interruptions of his speech, and I think I got it right. But those who did the interrupting were completely diminished by the spirit of reconciliation and respect exhibited by the President and the graduating class of Notre Dame. President Obama confirmed his approach which is sincerely aimed a creating a middle way for this most divisive of issues. In surrounding himself with both pro-life and pro-choice voices, the president is at least aware of the compelling arguments on both sides and he approaches them with respect. The President did not shy away from the difficult questions at hand but addressed them head on, reminding all of us (including Catholic voters) how fortunate we are as a nation.

The anti-abortion protesters who dominated the news running up to Notre Dame's graduation remind me of similar anti-abortion activists who came to Princeton University last year. They set up their massive photos of aborted fetus and began to scream invectives at students as they went to and from classes. This did not go over well. At one point the student president of the Princeton Pro-Life group went over to speak with them to tell them that their tactics were counter productive -- he was, in turn, called something akin to satanic.

While I am pro-choice, because I am at a University that values the free exchange of ideas and difference of views I have had the opportunity to have the anti-abortion position clearly laid out for me. This openness of debate has added to the subtly of my thinking about the issue of abortion and made me more sympathetic to the passion exhibited by those on the other side. As President Obama said at Notre Dame, the pro-life movement is no longer filled with caricatures.

Ultimately, the biggest winner today was Notre Dame. I watched their entire graduation which showcased talented students, an exciting faculty, and the University President Rev. John l. Jenkins, C.S.C. whose speech equaled President Obama's and showed that he is encouraging an environment of academic and intellectual freedom rooted in a Catholic social conscience. Well done President Obama, well done Notre Dame, well done America.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-raushenbush/barack-obamas-and-america_b_204411.html


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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:36 PM
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1. The protestors demonstrate the weakness of the
anti-abortion movement. Their numbers are so small that they should simply be ignored. They are irrelevant and have always been so. They yammer, but most people have the sense to see that there are good and simple reasons for some people to choose an abortion. Only the rabid few think that access to abortion should be denied in all situations. Screw them. Listen to the cheers, not the jeers.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:42 PM
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2. in a catholic hospital when the choice is mother or baby...baby comes first
cause the mother is a sinner..no matter how saintly she may be! SICK is what I call it!!!!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:44 PM
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5. Of course it's sick.
So, the answer is to choose a non-catholic-affiliated hospital. That's so simple that I can't believe that it becomes an issue.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:16 PM
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7. Depends on the situation. People often don't have a choice of hospitals.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:31 PM
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9. Wait a minute...The mother might be forgiven but the unbaptised fetus is destined for HELL!
So let the mother go and take her chances, but bare up the baby for baptism at least.
Please get your arguments straight. Rules are rules.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 05:07 PM
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10. SUGAR you obviously ain't a catholic...unbaptised babies go to limbo
Edited on Sun May-17-09 05:45 PM by angstlessk
purgatory has been outlawed by the church nowdays...ain't you got your catechism reight?

oops...maybe they outlawed limbo too? hey, it's been awhile since I have been to church...
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FLDCVADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 06:20 PM
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16. Purgatory is still there...
...limbo isn't even really mentioned any more.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 06:49 PM
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18. too sad..one could be prayed into heaven from purgatory ...with enough cash...but limbo
was just limbo..with all them cute infants who missed the splash of water over their forheads...gee what a waste!!!
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FLDCVADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 06:19 PM
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15. Completely untrue nt
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 05:33 PM
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11. where did you see this?
Edited on Sun May-17-09 05:34 PM by nini
As someone from a Catholic family including a priest I have never heard that one.

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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 05:42 PM
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12. I always thought it was general knowledge...my mother told me this
Edited on Sun May-17-09 05:43 PM by angstlessk
and she had both of us (my sister and I) in a catholic hospital...

on edit..my r is having difficulty???
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 05:59 PM
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14. Not common knowledge where I'm at
and my Catholic roots go wayyyyy back. I'm not saying there aren't some nutcases that would believe this, however having been in the medical I have never seen a group not try to save both.

Saying this is a rule is a bit much. I'm not saying you are wrong to have heard this. I'm saying it's wrong in theory - especially today with the advanced medical techniques.


btw: I'm staunchly pro-choice and pro women's rights. I know how the Church can be and am not excusing them over women's issues at all. I just feel this is a broad brush statement that doesn't seem logical.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 06:46 PM
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17. my mother's ancesters were from Ireland..do not tell me about wayyyyyy back catholics..here you go
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=5206798

a discussion today about how to sacrifice yourself for your yet to be born child... I cannot find the rules of catholic hospitals in the 40's and 50's..but I KNOW...because my mother was fucking THERE...if it was between the mother or the child..the child lived and the mother died.
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FLDCVADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 06:50 PM
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19. Then as was said before...
...if you truly believe this, then don't go to a Catholic hospital.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 06:53 PM
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20. I did end up at a catholic hospital because that is where the ambulance took me
trust me...given a choice..I would not enter a catholic anything...I was raised catholic...and went to catholic school..enough to convince me religion is NOT where 'it' is!
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 08:54 PM
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21. You're over reacting to the point I was making.
Edited on Sun May-17-09 08:59 PM by nini

My ancestors were from Portugal and I have marriage certificates from catholic churches going back to the 1500s.. so you don't necessarily win the ancestry game. :eyes:

Chill out.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 09:12 PM
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23. honey, I am the most least catholic you EVAH want to meet...and it goes back generations
you do not own the catholic religion, and if you did...I would demand a refund my parents spent on my catholic education!
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Dollface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:43 PM
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3. The protestors likely increased the number of people who heard the President's excellent speech.
The Faux Noise crowd might have accidently been exposed to the concept of compassion while being sorely disappointed with those spineless grads who appear to respect Mr. Obama.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:44 PM
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4. Re Honorary Degrees: "I am 1 for 2 since my inauguration."
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:56 PM
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6. Yes, it was a victory for the USA, and basic decency. A defeat for Rush. Go Tigers!
Been a fan all my life, and really got motivated in 1961 (Cash, Colavito, Bruton, Lary, Mossi, Bunning (ugh).

And then there was that Kaline guy. Grew up without a father, but adopted him as my role model. Never let me down. Ever.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:18 PM
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8. He did handle it well..
Very well, in fact.


I would think his opponents might think twice before they try to bushwhack him again?
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create.peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 05:50 PM
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13. well, here they are, some of the vocal enemies, willing to be arrested (some)
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 09:10 PM
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22. K&R
:kick:
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