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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:06 AM
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Will Porter Goss be prosecuted for lying to Congress?
Never mind his participation in Latin American Death Squads ....

"We don't torture"

On March 18, 2005, Reuters reported that Porter Goss "defended his spy agency's current interrogation practices but could not say all methods used as recently as last December conformed to U.S. law.

"U.S. officials do not view torture as a method for gaining vital intelligence, Goss said. But he acknowledged some CIA operatives may have been uncertain about approved interrogation techniques in the past."

Goss told the Senate Armed Services Committee "'The United States does not engage in or condone torture, ... I know for a fact that torture is not productive. That's not professional interrogation. We don't torture.'"

MORE: http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/torture_goss_we_don...

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/25/porter-gos... /

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Porter_Goss
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:09 AM
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1. He definitely should be
I think ALL the CIA directors under Bush should be

But that's just me.

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:13 AM
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2. He did directly lie to the US Congress, a crime! He should be in jail!!
Unless, of course, the US is no longer a nation of laws.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:14 AM
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3. I agree...and not just for lying to Congress
because the lying is part of the larger cover-up
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:17 AM
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6. It's different if it's a republican doing the lying...
Gawd told them to do anything they need to do to win or to cover their asses. They Own and operate gawd so anything goes. On the other hand, if a democrat lies he or she, should be impeached.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 02:12 PM
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22. Correction. If they say the Dem lied, whether true or not! LOL.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:15 AM
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5. Me, three.


Then-CIA operative Porter Goss, in profile on the left, shown with Barry Seal, Felix Rodriguez and other members of Operation 40.

Details at the Education Forum by DUer John Simkin: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/lofiversion/index.php...
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:20 AM
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7. Yes. Goss is a POS through and through.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:40 AM
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11. CIA assassin Felix Rodriguez (front left), destroyed the torture tapes!
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:14 AM
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4. Hopefully. n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:21 AM
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8. the 'truth' only applies to democrats....eom
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:27 AM
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9. Why is Porter Goss in the news again?
Here's why. He wrote a piece in WaPo claiming he was at the meeting and she lied. This article is in your second link, but I thought I'd highlight this in case people were wondering.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...



As far as I can tell, he's also implicitly supporting torture.

"Our enemies do not subscribe to the rules of the Marquis of Queensbury. "Name, rank and serial number" does not apply to non-state actors but is, regrettably, the only question this administration wants us to ask. Instead of taking risks, our intelligence officers will soon resort to wordsmithing cables to headquarters while opportunities to neutralize brutal radicals are lost."

He may not be aware that in Nazi Germany, they first used torture to gain information, but being the efficient bastards they were, they quickly realized it wasn't working. Nazi Germany's best interrogator, Hans Scharff, said the technique he used to break down prisoners was- card playing. He would play cards. Now since the Nazis had no compunctions against brutality, it wasn't ethics they were concerned with, but effectiveness. Porter Goss is therefore a danger to our country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Scharff
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:36 AM
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10. VIDEO: Senate Hearing on Worldwide Threats to Nat'l Security, March 2005
Anyone have the videos?
It is disappeared from C-SPAN.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:49 AM
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12. 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Outtake Porter Goss:
'Fahrenheit 9/11' Interview Outtake of CIA Director Porter Goss:

March 3, 2004 interview for the movie, which did not make it into the film,

"I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified."

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikeinthenews/index.p...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:54 AM
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13. Patriot Fact: Porter Goss = Bribes, prostitutes, poher parties at Watergate
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 07:56 AM
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55. too funny, yea, Porter Goss I remember when he was involved
with that, what a sleaze!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:06 AM
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14. VIDEO: The Daily Show = CIA Director Porter Goss
Edited on Sun May-17-09 11:07 AM by L. Coyote
Goss reacts to Bush lying! Hilarious!!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?title=cia...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:18 AM
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15. VIDEO: resident Bush announces the resignation of CIA chief Porter Goss.
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-us&vid=966795cc-...

Porter Goss resigns
May 5: President Bush announces the resignation of CIA chief Porter Goss.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:31 AM
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16. Daily Show: "Non-partisan" Porter Goss at confirmation hearings
Edited on Sun May-17-09 11:32 AM by L. Coyote
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?title=spy...

Spy v Spy

Porter Goss is confirmed by the Senate as the new chief of the CIA, and rewards them by pledging his allegiance to the Bush Administration.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:38 AM
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17. Excellent compilation! k+r, n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:43 AM
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18. Democracy Now: Why Porter Goss really resigned.
Edited on Sun May-17-09 11:51 AM by L. Coyote
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/5/9/ken_silverstein_on...
May 09, 2006
Ken Silverstein on CIA Chief Porter Goss Abrupt Resignation & The Duke Cunningham Bribery Scandal


Kyle Dusty FoggoGosss top aide and the CIAs third highest officialresigned Monday as the agencys Executive Director. Foggo has been under internal review for his links to the bribery scandal that sent Congressman Randy Duke Cunningham to jail.

======================
OR go to: http://www.archive.org/details/dn2006-0509_vid
headline starts at 2:30
Plame, Ney, Abramoff, ....

STORY 47:00 = CIA Chief Porter Goss Abrupt Resignation & The Duke Cunningham Bribery Scandal
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:54 AM
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19. Red Lights on Capitol Hill? = CIA's Goss Drawn Into Hooker Probe?
Red Lights on Capitol Hill?
By Ken Silverstein - http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/04/sb-red-lights-on...

The Wall Street Journal reported today that indicted former California Congressman Randall "Duke" Cunningham may not have limited his good times to partying on a rented yacht. It turns out the FBI is currently investigating two defense contractors who allegedly provided Cunningham with free limousine service, free stays at hotel suites at the Watergate and the Westin Grand, and free prostitutes.

The two defense contractors who allegedly bribed Cunningham, said the Journal, were Brent Wilkes, the founder of ADCS Inc., and Mitchell Wade, the founder of MZM Inc.; both firms profited greatly from their connections with Cunningham. The Journal also suggested that other lawmakers might be implicated. Ive learned from a well-connected source that those under intense scrutiny by the FBI are current and former lawmakers on Defense and Intelligence comitteesincluding one person who now holds a powerful intelligence post. Ive also been able to learn the name of the limousine service that was used to ferry the guests and other attendees to the parties: Shirlington Limousine and Transportation of Arlington, Virginia. Wilkes, Ive learned, even hired Shirlington as his personal limousine service.

It gets even more interesting: the man who has been identified as the CEO of Shirlington has a 62-page rap sheet (I recently obtained a copy) that runs from at least 1979 through 1989 and lists charges of petit larceny, robbery, receiving stolen goods, assault, and more. Curiouslyor perhaps not so curiously given the companys connectionsShirlington Limousine is also a Department of Homeland Security contractor .....

.............

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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/0004...

Justin Rood - April 27, 2006, 7:23PM

Ken Silverstein reports at Harper's blog on the spreading Cunningham-Wade-Wilkes prostitute scandal. He says more lawmakers, past and present, are being investigated. Sounds like he thinks House Intel Chair-turned-CIA Director Porter Goss is one of them .............
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:31 PM
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30. Porter Goss's Dusty Foggo Problem
Former CIA Director Porter Goss's Dusty Foggo Problem
By Laura Rozen | Wed October 1, 2008 - http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/10/former-cia-dire...


On Monday, the CIA's former number three official, a former logistics officer named Dusty Foggo, pled guilty in a Virginia courtroom to one count of federal wire fraud. I reported on the case at Mother Jones overnight, and how relieved CIA executives must have been to see the case go away with a quiet plea agreement, since Foggo was threatening to spill every Agency operational program and the identity of every CIA asset he knew about, which was a lot. But a little history on this story is in order.

Back in 2005, thanks in large part to the extraordinary investigative journalism work of a team of reporters at the San Diego Union-Tribune/Copley News Service (Marcus Stern, Dean Calbreath, Jerry Kammer and George Condon Jr.), Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA), agreed to plead guilty to corruption charges. Among his co-conspirators, two defense contractors, Brent Wilkes, and Mitchell Wade, who had plied Cunningham with antiques, meals, travel, hookers, and bought his old home at a profit, in exchange for more than a few hundred million dollars worth of federal earmarks to their companies.

Around the time of Cunningham's agreement to plead guilty to federal authorities back in November 2005, I began hearing from intelligence sources that there was an as yet unreported and unexplored CIA connection to the case. Namely, that Brent Wilkes' best friend was the number three guy at the CIA, Dusty Foggo, and he had also been throwing CIA contracts at his friend Wilkes. So, beginning in November 2005, I first broke several CIA-related aspects of the wider Cunningham case: the name of the Wilkes' front company to get the secret CIA contracts, Archer Logistics, discussions about a covert CIA plane network contract between Foggo and Wilkes, Foggo's connection to Wilkes and the CIA water contract, a magazine piece that raised potential counterintelligence questions about the case. Other journalists -- Calbreath, Jason Vest, Ken Silverstein, Mark Hosenball among others -- were also reporting on aspects of Foggo's long relationship with Wilkes dating back to their days in Chula Vista, CA and running through Central America during the 1980s until more recent reports of a high-tech gadget-filled "playpen" Wilkes set aside for Dusty, along with the prospect of a job, in his ADCS corporate offices outside of San Diego.

Thinking back, I had some rather unpleasant conversations with a CIA spokesman at the time who screamed that I was wrong, that he had marched to Foggo's office and Foggo totally denied what I was saying .............
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 04:09 PM
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57. SALON: Porter Goss' spooky demise
Porter Goss' spooky demise
Bush's CIA chief abruptly resigns under a shadow of alleged ties to a corrupt congressman and leaves a spy agency in chaos.
By Walter Shapiro - http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/05/06/goss /



May 6, 2006 | WASHINGTON -- If George W. Bush were presiding over a normal administration, there would be nothing spooky about Porter Goss' abrupt resignation Friday afternoon. It would be painfully evident from Bush's forced rhetoric ("Porter's tenure at the CIA was one of transition") and Goss' comically overblown boasts ("The agency is on a very even keel, sailing well") that the CIA director was sacked for ineptitude.

As the normally mild-mannered Ivo Daalder, a former staff member at the National Security Council under Bill Clinton, put it, "Porter Goss was such an absolute disaster for the agency and our national security that his departure comes not a day too soon." ..............

... little artistic training is needed to speculatively link Goss' here's-your-hat-what's-your-hurry departure with the bribery scandal surrounding jailed former GOP Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham.

.... the Foggo-Wilkes connection may have nothing to do with the sudden change in Goss' career arc. Daalder posed the speculative question, "Was there an intelligence blunder that we don't know about -- and that we may never know about?" Certainly, given the disarray at the CIA, it is plausible that the agency could have made a major misjudgment ....

........ Goss' final accomplishment as CIA director -- such as it was -- was forcing out of her job a highly respected veteran intelligence officer, Mary McCarthy, for the purported leaking of classified information about secret CIA prisons abroad. McCarthy has denied being the leaker -- and her more obvious offenses were serving in the Clinton administration and donating $2,000 to John Kerry's 2004 presidential campaign. ...

... It may take a deep-cover agent to unravel the gossamer plot lines that produced Goss' goodbye.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:55 AM
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20. Well--they're still saying that. /nt
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 12:08 PM
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21. Not in testimony to the Armed Services Committee!
Edited on Sun May-17-09 12:09 PM by L. Coyote
Fixed Noise, yes. Before Congress, NOT!

The Epitomizer: Bybee is blabbing for the press, but won't show up for Congress.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:10 PM
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23. Colbert Nation: May 8, 2006: Porter Goss Resignation
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/...

The resignation of CIA Director Porter Goss has tongues wagging all over Washington. (2:04)
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:13 PM
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24. Maybe they should change the name from CIA to CYA?
They are lying to cover their asses like republicans always do.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:16 PM
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25. It's Time to Subpoena Porter Goss = by Joseph A. Palermo, Dec. 2007
Joseph A. Palermo
It's Time to Subpoena Porter Goss
Posted December 11, 2007
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/its-time...


In March 2005, then-CIA director Porter Goss told the Senate "there are no techniques...that are being employed that are in any way against the law or would ...be considered torture." When Senator John McCain asked him about waterboarding, Goss would say only that is was "an area of what I will call professional interrogation techniques."

We now know that the CIA destroyed videotaped evidence of the torture of terrorist suspect Abu Zubaydah, despite the fact there were ongoing federal court cases where the tapes might have been relevant as evidence and the 9/11 Commission had requested such evidence. The Congress must aggressively investigate this issue to discover whether or not criminal activity was being covered up and justice obstructed.

................ Like Iran-Contra, what we're seeing today with the destruction of these incriminating videotapes is only the tip of the iceberg.

We cannot trust the Justice Department under the supreme waterboarder Michael Mukasey to investigate the Executive Branch ..........
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:19 PM
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26. Congress Must Find Out: Who Destroyed the Tapes?
Congress Must Find Out: Who Destroyed the Tapes?
December 7, 2007 - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/congress...


The Democratic Congress might have taken impeachment "off the table" but it cannot ignore the Central Intelligence Agency's obstruction of justice. Destroying videotaped evidence of CIA personnel torturing Al Qaeda suspects in violation of U.S. law is no small matter ... Former CIA Director Porter Goss should face a subpoena to testify to the Congress forthwith. The Congress must obtain any and all documents or other materials relating to the CIA's torture and secret gulag program.............
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:41 PM
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27. "Russia, Iran and the Future of Israel" (Ezekiel 38-39). Interview with Porter Goss
Insanity ALERT!

http://www.channels.com/items/show/1705880/Interview-wi... -

"Russia, Iran and the Future of Israel" (Ezekiel 38-39). Interview with former CIA Director Porter Goss
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:48 PM
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28. Excellent thread
K & R
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 09:35 PM
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31. Thank you. I'd like to see more compilations, including collective efforts.
Especially when the occasion demands putting a lying Puke accuser in perspective.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 04:26 PM
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29. The Guardian profile: Porter Goss
The Guardian profile: Porter Goss
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/aug/13/usa.suzanne...
Suzanne Goldenberg
Friday 13 August 2004

Bush's nominee for CIA director faces an uphill battle in getting Democrats in the Senate to back him after lacklustre years as head of the house intelligence committee. And if he is confirmed, his job may soon be axed

For a loyal company man, Porter Goss appeared to be going out of his way to offend his former and potentially future employers at the CIA, saying that the agency was so badly managed it risked becoming "a stilted bureaucracy incapable of even the slightest bit of success".

Intelligence insiders say the attack on the directorate of operations where Mr Goss once worked was the result of careful calculation, and was intended to demonstrate the commitment of the Republican congressman to reforming the agency.

It was delivered seven weeks ago - when there was already intense speculation that Mr Goss would be nominated to head the CIA - in a report from the house intelligence committee, which he headed until Tuesday. In the broadside, Mr Goss accused the CIA of ignoring its core mission activities, adding that the agency was so badly run it was heading "over a proverbial cliff".

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:26 PM
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32. CIA director testifies = MORE LIES about renditions
We don't do torture, CIA director testifies
But Goss says professional interrogation is necessary to save innocent lives
March. 17, 2005 - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7220179 /


WASHINGTON - CIA Director Porter Goss defended U.S. interrogation practices and rejected any notion that the intelligence community engages in torture ......

.... Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., asked Goss whether the government is using a review process set up by the Clinton administration to determine when to approve renditions, or the transfer of foreigners to another country for prosecution and detention.

U.S. authorities have flown at least 100 foreigners to countries including Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The Bush administration has said it seeks assurances that the subject will not be tortured, but critics say the practice simply allows the United States to outsource the dirty work.

Goss, however, defended renditions as a 20-year-old practice with established policies. I actually believe that since 9/11 ... we have more safeguards and more oversight in place than we did before, he said.

White House defends renditions
The White House also defended the renditions policy, saying the United States receives assurances before terrorism suspects are moved to another foreign country that officials there will not use torture in questioning......

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:31 PM
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33. Porter Goss Addresses Torture Allegations, Discusses Agency's Future in Exclusive Interview
CIA Director: 'Torture is Counterproductive'
Porter Goss Addresses Torture Allegations, Discusses Agency's Future in Exclusive Interview

In an exclusive, wide-ranging interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson, CIA Director Porter Goss spoke about the agency's role in a post-9/11 world and responded to allegations that his agency uses torture to extract intelligence from detainees.

The following is an excerpt of the interview transcript:

CHARLES GIBSON: Let me ask you about torture. You said the other day the CIA does not do torture, correct?

PORTER GOSS: That is correct.

GIBSON: How do you define it?

GOSS: Well, I define torture probably the way most people would -- in the eye of the beholder. What we do does not come close because torture in terms of inflicting pain or something like that, physical pain or causing a disability, those kinds of things that probably would be a common definition for most Americans, sort of you know it when you see it, we don't do that .....

.........

GIBSON: You know what water-boarding is though, right?

GOSS: I know what a lot of things are, but I'm not going to comment.

GIBSON: Would that come under the heading? Would that come under the heading of torture?

GOSS: I don't know. I have--

GIBSON: Well, under your definition that you just gave to me of inflicting pain?

GOSS: Let me put it this way, I'm not going to comment on any individual techniques that anybody has brought forward as an allegation, or dreamed up or anything like that. What we do, as I said many times, is professional, it's lawful, it yields good results and it is not torture.

...........
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:45 PM
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34. Porter Gosss Dishonest Attack on Congress April 25th, 2009 By KATHY KATTENBURG
Porter Gosss Dishonest Attack on Congress
April 25th, 2009
By KATHY KATTENBURG - http://themoderatevoice.com/29971/porter-gosss-dishones... /


Its infuriating, but its entertaining, to watch the same people who spent the better part of the last eight years using lies, secrecy, deception, political maneuvering, and outright intimidation to run a global torture regime on foreign alleged terrorists, alongside a domestic illegal surveillance program on U.S. citizens, pen op-eds in major media outlets attacking Congress for not doing enough to stop them, now that their lawlessness has been publicly revealed.

Exhibit A: former CIA Director Porter Gosss overwrought piece in todays Washington Post:

.........

In addition to blame-shifting via word play, former DCI Goss also regurgitates the messy porridge about the effectiveness of brutal interrogation tactics and the grave harm done to national security by releasing the torture memos ........

........

Improve global human conditions via simulating death by drowning, hanging people from the ceiling in contorted stress positions, beating them, putting them in pitch black confinement boxes with insects crawling over them, not letting them sleep for 11 days at a stretch, and more, much more?

The CIAs own inspector general concluded in 2004 that there is no conclusive proof that waterboarding or other harsh interrogation techniques helped the Bush administration thwart any specific imminent attacks, ........
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:49 PM
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35. Panetta: It's Up To Congress To Figure Out Whether Our Records Are Accurate By Zachary Roth - May 15
Panetta: It's Up To Congress To Figure Out Whether Our Records Are Accurate
By Zachary Roth - May 15, 2009 - http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/panet...


CIA director Leon Panetta has just sent the following message to staffers in response to Nancy Pelosi's claim that the agency misled her over torture:

Message from the Director: Turning Down the Volume

There is a long tradition in Washington of making political hay out of our business. It predates my service with this great institution, and it will be around long after I'm gone. But the political debates about interrogation reached a new decibel level yesterday when the CIA was accused of misleading Congress.

Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.

My advice--indeed, my direction--to you is straightforward: ignore the noise and stay focused on your mission. We have too much work to do to be distracted from our job of protecting this country.

We are an Agency of high integrity, professionalism, and dedication. Our task is to tell it like it is--even if that's not what people always want to hear. Keep it up. Our national security depends on it.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:41 AM
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36. Shelby says he was told of waterboarding; Graham's account differs
May 15, 2009 UPDATE: Shelby says he was told of waterboarding; Graham's account differs
by Eric Zimmermann - http://briefingroom.thehill.com/tag/porter-goss /


Yesterday, I wrote that it remained unclear whether Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.), one of just three members of Congress besides Nancy Pelosi who received a CIA briefing on interrogation techniques in the fall of 2002, had been informed that waterboarding was being used on detainees.

Shelby's office now says he was in fact told that waterboarding was being used. This directly contradicts the recollection of former Sen. Bob Graham (D-Fla.), who was present in the same briefing as Shelby.

Shelby's office released a statement yesterday (see below) indicating Shelby was informed of the "existence of Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" (emphasis added) and was told "how these techniques were consistent with the law<.>" When asked whether Shelby was informed that waterboarding was actually being used, a spokesman replied that "waterboarding was one of the EITs the CIA briefed Sen. Shelby on."

Today, his office released an additional statement clarifying the Senator's recollection ..........
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:46 AM
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37. CIA chief: Interrogation methods 'unique' but legal By John Diamond, USA TODAY
11/20/2005 - Updated 11/21/2005 12:05 AM
CIA chief: Interrogation methods 'unique' but legal
By John Diamond, USA TODAY - http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-11-20-cia-...


LANGLEY, Va. CIA interrogators use "a variety of unique and innovative ways" to collect "vital" information from prisoners but strictly obey laws against torture, CIA Director Porter Goss said.

....... "There is a huge amount of misinformation swirling about on the subject of detainees. That would include alleged activities of this agency," Goss said in an interview Friday in his office at agency headquarters in Northern Virginia.

"This agency does not do torture. Torture does not work," Goss said. "We use lawful capabilities to collect vital information, and we do it in a variety of unique and innovative ways, all of which are legal and none of which are torture."

Goss declined to describe interrogation methods exclusive to the CIA. ........

"An enemy that's working in an amorphous network that doesn't have to worry about a bunch of regulations, chain of command, rule of law or anything else has got a huge advantage over a stultified, slow-moving, bureaucratic, by-the-book" organization, Goss said. "So we have to, within the law and within all the requirements of our professional ethics in this profession, develop agility. And that means putting a lot of judgment in the hands of individuals overseas."

Goss declined to discuss reports by The Washington Post and Human Rights Watch alleging that the CIA maintains secret detention centers at military bases in Central European countries. ....."Sometimes other sovereign nations have somewhat divergent views or opinions, and so it's a good idea even with your best friends ... to have a secret," Goss said.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:50 AM
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38. WA POST: Director for Torture - Nov. 23, 2005
Director for Torture
November 23, 2005; Page A18 - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


CIA DIRECTOR Porter J. Goss insists that his agency is innocent of torturing the prisoners it is holding in secret detention centers around the world. "This agency does not torture," he said in an interview this week with USA Today. "We use lawful capabilities to collect vital information, and we do it in a variety of unique and innovative ways, all of which are legal and none of which are torture." Mr. Goss didn't describe any of those "innovative" interrogation techniques, nor has his agency allowed its secret prisons to be visited by the International Red Cross or any other monitor. But some of the people who work for him provided a description of six "enhanced interrogation techniques" to ABC News, because they believe "the public needs to know the direction their agency has chosen," the network reported. Thanks to that disclosure, it's possible to compare Mr. Goss's words with reality.

The first three techniques reported by ABC involve shaking or striking detainees in an effort to cause pain and fear. The fourth consists of forcing a prisoner to stand, handcuffed and with shackled feet, for up to 40 hours. Then comes the "cold cell": Detainees are held naked in a cell cooled to 50 degrees, and periodically doused with cold water. Last is "waterboarding," ......

Are these techniques "not torture," as Mr. Goss claims? In fact, several of them have been practiced by repressive regimes around the world, and they once were routinely condemned by the State Department in its annual human rights reports. By insisting that they are not torture, Mr. Goss sets a new standard -- both for the treatment of detainees by other governments and for the handling of captive Americans.

......... Are the techniques "legal"? In 1994 the Senate ratified the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment or Punishment; in doing so, it defined "cruel, inhuman or degrading" as anything that would violate the Fifth, Eighth, or 14th amendments of the U.S. Constitution............
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:54 AM
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39. Remember Dusty Foggo???
That was Porter's good buddy who went to jail as part of the Abramoff scandals...doing his dirty work as #2 at the CIA. IRC, there were reports of him and good old Port participating at some of the Dukestir's hot tub and hookers card games. I'm hoping this slimeball is cracked open...exposed for what he was. The boooosh regime sent him in to "punish" the CIA following the Plame affair and their "failure" to serve the regime's bidding. He only lasted a year...even too incompetent and crooked for the most corrupt regime in American history.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:11 AM
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40. Leading right into the USAs scandal and the firing of USA Carol Lam.
Deja DU: US Attorney Firing: Voter Fraud, Medicare Fraud, WHICH IS IT ???
May-10-07 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

================================
TIMELINE:
June 5, 2003 - Barry Weinbaum, CEO Alvarado Hospital (owned by Tenet), indicted for conspiracy to violate the federal antikickback statute and seven counts for offer and payment of illegal compensation
Oct. 20, 2005 - Eighteen Republican lawmakers, in a letter (signed by Cunningham while under investigation by Lam for corruption), criticize Lam's handling of immigration cases.
Mar. 9, 2006 - Bush signs the USA Patriot Improvement and Reauthorization Act.
May 5, 2006 - CIA director Porter Goss resigns unexpectedly.
May 10, 2006 - Lam notifies DoJ she planned to serve search warrants on Kyle Foggo, who resigned two days earlier as No. 3 official at the CIA.
May 10, 2006 - HHS Seeks to Knock Out San Diego Hospital
May 11, 2006 - Kyle Sampson e-mails deputy White House counsel William Kelley, re "the real problem we have right now with Carol Lam ....
May 11, 2006 - LA Times reports Cunningham probe expanded to include CA Republican, then-House Appropriations Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis.
May 12, 2006 - FBI agents seizes records from Foggo's CIA offices and his suburban Vienna, Va.
May 17, 2006 - Tenet Healthcare Agrees to Divest Alvarado Hospital
May 18, 2006 - Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) provides false information to AP that Lam has prosecuted only 6% of 289 suspected immigrant smugglers.
Dec. 7, 2006 - Michael Battle, director of the Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys, calls seven U.S. Attorneys to ask for their resignations.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:17 AM
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41. Keep The Eye On The Ball...
The dirt is not on the surface but the distractions are...the more we dig, the more evidence comes to light of how vast this criminal enterprise is. It's not about what Nancy Pelosi knew, but most definitely what good old Port did!!
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:01 AM
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44. Carol Lam could have been looking at Cheney - link
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/19/carol-lam-white-hou... /

They should give her back her USA and let her finish the job she started.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 09:19 AM
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45. "Porter Goss was forced to resign as Director of the CIA"
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKgoss.htm

Porter Goss was forced to resign as Director of the CIA in May, 2006. The Los Angeles Times reported that he left the CIA because of John Negroponte: "Goss was pushed out by Negroponte after clashes between them over Goss' management style, as well as his reluctance to surrender CIA personnel and resources to new organizations set up to combat terrorism and weapons proliferation."

According to other sources, his resignation was linked to the investigation of top CIA official Kyle Foggo who had been accused improperly steered a $2.4 million contract to his close college friend Brent Wilkes, a defense contractor implicated in the Randy Cunningham case. The New York Daily News reported: "The investigations have focused on the Watergate poker parties thrown by defense contractor Brent Wilkes, a high-school buddy of Foggo's, that were attended by disgraced former Rep. Randy (Duke) Cunningham and other lawmakers. Foggo has claimed he went to the parties "just for poker" amid allegations that Wilkes, a top GOP fund-raiser and a member of the $100,000 "Pioneers" of Bush's 2004 reelection campaign, provided prostitutes, limos and hotel suites to Cunningham.... Wilkes hosted regular parties for 15 years at the Watergate and Westin Grand Hotels for lawmakers and lobbyists. Intelligence sources said Goss has denied attending the parties as CIA director, but that left open whether he may have attended as a Republican congressman from Florida who was head of the House Intelligence Committee."
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:20 AM
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42. My guess, he's got good on the Kennedy assassination so he will be spared.
Edited on Mon May-18-09 08:22 AM by mod mom
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 08:46 AM
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43. Boehner: "Lying to congress is a crime." VIDEO
WOW! I wasn't expecting such quick support from the Minority leader! :rofl:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:46 AM
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46. Some good information here!
:kick:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 10:59 AM
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47. Transcript: HEARING before the COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES
Edited on Mon May-18-09 11:02 AM by L. Coyote
HEARING before the COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES
UNITED STATES SENATE - http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbna...

...........

Chairman Warner. Thank you, Senator Levin.
Director Goss, we are prepared to have your statement. We
welcome you to the committee.

STATEMENT OF HON. PORTER J. GOSS, DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL
INTELLIGENCE

Mr. Goss. Thank you, Chairman Warner and Ranking Member
Levin, thank you, for the opportunity to be here today. I would
ask unanimous consent that my full statement could be made part
of the record so I could abbreviate my statement, sir.
Chairman Warner. Without objection, and that will likewise
apply to Admiral Jacoby.
Mr. Goss. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Levin: Thank you so much for
the opportunity to be here today. I hope to accomplish a number
of things during this time. I want to briefly share with you my
thoughts relative to the threats that are facing the United
States in the coming years. But by virtue of the unclassified
nature of this setting, I am not going to go into a great deal
of detail, and I do look forward to a more in-depth discussion
of the threats with the committee in our closed session.
I also want to discuss the broader issue of capabilities
the Intelligence Community requires to face these threats. The
capabilities issue is one that fundamentally impacts the way we
support policymakers and warfighters, and of course we need
your help with the capabilities question.
The war on terrorism has presented the Intelligence
Community with challenges unlike any before. In response, we
have changed some of the ways we gather secrets. We are facing
small groups of terrorists and extremists, rather than standing
armies. They operate out of homes and caves rather than
military bases and government entities. They do not necessarily
wear uniforms, they do not always use conventional ordinance,
and they do not observe norms and standards of civilized
society. Only a few individuals may know the complete plan of
any given terrorist plot.
Professional interrogation has become a very useful and
necessary way to obtain information to save innocent lives, to
disrupt terrorist schemes, and to protect our combat forces.
The United States Government has had documented success
protecting people and capturing terrorists with such
information. As I have publicly said before, the United States
Government does not engage in or condone torture.

..................

Senator Levin. When you receive complaints from, evidence
of torture by people against whom rendition has been used, do
you follow up? Since it is not our policy--the President has
said publicly it is not our policy--to engage in rendition of
people for purposes of torture, do we follow up with the
countries that have represented to us that they would not
torture individuals we sent to those countries? Do you know
whether we have ever followed up with those countries with that
evidence?
Mr. Goss. If you are asking about the Intelligence
Community, again this is a kind of question that is complicated
and would need to be answered in closed session. But I can
assure you that I know of no instances where the Intelligence
Community is outside the law on this, where they have complied.
As I have said publicly before and I know for a fact, that
torture is not productive. That is not professional
interrogation. We do not do torture.
I can also tell you that it is my understanding and my
experience that any serious allegations--and I am not just
talking about some press speculation or something--that have
ever been brought to the attention of the proper authorities
have been referred properly for investigation.

...........

Senator McCain. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank the
witnesses.
Director Goss, just to follow up on Senator Levin's
questions, the thing that bothers a lot of us is that we do not
seem to have a clear policy on treatment of prisoners which
could then be translated into specific instructions for those
who are in charge of interrogations, recognizing that it is
complicated by the fact that we now have two different kinds of
prisoners. One is those who are eligible for the Geneva
Conventions for the Treatment of Prisoners of War and others
are outright terrorists, who have none of those protections but
still have protections by international treaty such as the
torture treaty and others.
I wonder how you feel about that view, because when I look
at these cases of abuse I think that perhaps there was not
sufficient training, but maybe more importantly or as
importantly, there was not specific policy guidelines issued
for those people who are the ones who are interfacing with the
prisoners. Do you have a view on that?
Mr. Goss. Yes, sir, I do. I would like to make a
distinction if I could. We started talking about transfers of
people, alleged renditions and so forth, and then we switched
to prisoner treatment. I want to make a distinction between the
two and answer both questions, more candidly obviously in
closed session.
I believe that there is policy and I believe that it is
very well understood at this point. I am not speaking for the
military side and I am not going to go to all those
investigations and reviews and so forth. I am going to go to
what I understand are the Intelligence Community's orders on
how we use the tools that have been given to us lawfully and
how we stay within bounds.
As I say, I believe that if you go back and you take a look
at transfers helping other countries deal with terrorists, you
will find this is a process that has been going on for more
than 20 years. We actually got in the terrorist business back
in the early 1980s, starting with Beirut.
I think there have always been procedures, processes, and
policies in place to deal with these and they have been
understood.
Senator McCain. Well, some of those policies at one time
were to have the prisoner feel that they were drowning.
Mr. Goss. You are getting into again an area of what I will
call professional interrogation techniques and I would like
to----
Senator McCain. That is the area that I am concerned about,
because I am not sure that the interrogators are fully aware of
specific policies as to what they can and cannot do when
interrogating a prisoner. That is my point.
Mr. Goss. Thank you, sir. That is a clarification. If you
are going to talk about the techniques as well and add that
dimension to it and not just how people are held, then I would
take the statement even further, to say that there has been in
that case some uncertainty. There has been an attempt to
determine what those policies are. I think that uncertainty is
largely resolved, and in the mean time I can assure you that
pending any uncertainties that anything that would be happening
would be erring on the side of caution.

.............

Senator Kennedy. All right. I know you have gone through
this, but I would like to come back to this policy on
rendition. I have been informed by staff that there has been
some comments about this and a desire to get into a secure
session for it. But I would like to ask a little bit more about
some parts of it that I think ought to be able to be answered.
Yesterday the President said we send detainees back to
their country of origin with the promise that they will not be
tortured. Last month, Mr. Goss, you said that we have an
accountability program to make sure the promises are kept. But
since September 11 the U.S. has flown 150 suspects to countries
like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Jordan, countries that we
know engage in the torture, and they are not always the
detainee's country of origin. We have turned over a Canadian to
Syria, where allegedly he was tortured for nearly a year until
the Syrians concluded he had no ties to al Qaeda and released
him.
We detained an Arab German and flew him to Afghanistan,
where he was drugged, beaten, and then released 5 months later.
We captured an Arab citizen of Australia and flew him into
Egypt, who says he was given intense electric shocks, hung from
metal hooks, beaten, and almost drowned. The U.S. eventually
released him from Guantanamo.
If we are sending them back to the countries of origin, how
do you explain the fact that we are sending many of these
people to other countries?
Mr. Goss. Senator, thank you. On the subject of
transferring dangerous terrorists and how that all comes about,
there are obviously a number of equities involved. We have
liaison sources. We have other government agencies. The idea of
moving people around, transferring people for criminal or other
reasons by government agencies, is not new. For us in the
intelligence business, the idea of helping out dealing with
terrorists has been around for about 20 years, and we do have
policies and programs on how to do it.
We also have liaison partners who make requests of us, and
we try to respect not only the sovereign rights of other
countries, but all of the conventions and our own laws and of
course the Constitution. As far as I know, we do that, and in
cases where we do not or there is a problem, there are ways to
bring it to the attention of people like our IG. That system
does work.
Senator Kennedy. Well, you mentioned other times. During
the Clinton administration they had used rendition. They used
it, as I understand it, for limited purposes, to return
terrorist suspects for criminal prosecution. It required an
interagency group's review. Do you require interagency groups
to review, and also to approve each requested transfer? Do you
have those kinds of safeguards? Did you maintain that process?
Mr. Goss. Sir, I can only speak for the Intelligence
Community.
Senator Kennedy. That is exactly what I am asking. Those
were in place during the previous administration. I am asking
whether those kinds of protections still exist.
Mr. Goss. I actually believe that since September 11 and
since we have understood the value of how to deal with the
terrorist threat that we have more safeguards and more
oversight in place than we did before.
Senator Kennedy. Well, there are many that believe that if
we abuse prisoners in ways, we do not undermine al Qaeda; we
strengthen them and make it easier to recruit terrorists and
create a backlash of hatred against us.
Moving on to the Bybee memoranda, which we went into in
very great detail in the Judiciary Committee at the time of Mr.
Gonzalez's hearings. I am wondering whether you can confirm
that the CIA is no longer using the legal guidance contained in
the August 2002 Bybee memorandum?

..........

=======================
Senate Committee on Armed Services: Hearings 109th Congress
http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/senate/senate04sh109...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 11:17 AM
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48. "there are no techniques .. in any way ... considered torture or anything like it."
Senator Kennedy. I asked Mr. Gonzalez specifically whether
or not he had given the new memorandum to the CIA and he said
it had been distributed to the Defense Department and he
presumed, that it had been given to the CIA. Those are
guidelines on torture and I think it is important to know.
Mr. Goss. Excuse me, sir. I thought you were talking about
the transfer of detainees.
Senator Kennedy. No.
Mr. Goss. These memos you are talking about go to the
treatment?
Senator Kennedy. That is right.
Mr. Goss. Sir, there has, as we talked about earlier, been
some discussion about what are the right policy guidelines that
are completely understood by everybody, both military and
civilian. I think that there is clarity on that now. I will not
say in open session, but I can tell you absolutely, as I
testified to the Intelligence Oversight Committee, that at this
time there are no techniques, if I could say, that are being
employed that are in any way against the law or would be
considered torture or anything like it.
Senator Kennedy. My time is up, Mr. Chairman. When you go
back to the office, if you could look at the December 20 OLC
memorandum which overrode the initial Bybee memorandum that was
wide open in terms of permitting, and I think that was really
the basis of a lot of the abuses that took place. Could you
give us the assurances that the agency, all of its instructions
to its field organizations and to anyone that is coming under
its kind of control that those particular provisions outlined
in the Legal Counsel are being respected throughout the
Intelligence Agency.
If you could submit that to me, I would appreciate it very
much.




Mr. Goss. Yes, sir. Just to make sure I understand: you
wish to make sure that we are adhering to the December 20,
2004, guidelines?
Senator Kennedy. Yes.
Mr. Goss. Yes, sir, I will get you that.
Senator Kennedy. I do not want to take the additional time.
There is a dramatic difference between what was permitted for
2\1/2\ years under the Bybee memorandum and then what was
changed. What was changed was sent up just at the time that Mr.
Gonzalez's nomination came up here, and Mr. Gonzalez then
testified that those were the rules. He indicated that the
changed rules went to the Defense Department and he presumed
that they went to the CIA, but he did not know that for
certain, I think it is fair to say. I would like to know.
He indicated and later the Secretary of Defense has
indicated that that is what is now guiding the DOD. Does the
Agency know about it and are you complying? Can you give us the
assurance that those are the instructions that are being used
out in the field?
Mr. Goss. I will do that, sir.
...........
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:04 PM
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50. Torture: Mr. Goss. "It is opposed to our laws and our values."
Senator Levin. But there are a lot of reasons that we do
not engage in torture. Number one, it is opposed to our laws
and our values, right?
Mr. Goss. It is opposed to our laws and our values.
Senator Levin. As a general matter it does not produce
reliable intelligence, would that be accurate, as a general
matter?
Mr. Goss. I would guess so.
Senator Levin. It also jeopardizes our men and women, does
it not, who are wearing our uniform, who might be captured some
day? Admiral, would you agree with that?
Admiral Jacoby. I would, yes, sir.
Senator Levin. I think we have to be very careful with some
of the suggestions that are made here. We all want
interrogation of people who are captured. We want the
intelligence which we can get from them and we want it to be
reliable. But we also want to protect the men and women who are
representing this Nation and that is not advanced if we engage
in torture or abusive practices. We have been told that over
and over again by our military, and by the CIA, and it seems to
me we need you to clearly reaffirm that for us here this
morning.
Mr. Goss. I reaffirm that.
Senator Levin. All right.
Mr. Goss. It is too important a tool to lose. Therefore it
must be done professionally and we must have careful oversight.
Senator Levin. Director, the Church report said that
approximately 30 ghost detainees who were unregistered were
held at DOD facilities in Iraq and that was at the request of
the CIA. That is what the Church report tells us. Would you
agree with that?
Mr. Goss. If we are going to talk about the findings of the
methods of how the Intelligence Community works, sir, could we
do that in the next session? I would be happy to answer it.
Senator Levin. Well, except that he told us that in an
unclassified session, and that is in his unclassified report,
that approximately 30 ghost detainees were held unregistered at
DOD facilities in Iraq at the request of the CIA.
Mr. Goss. I have no doubt that that is his report, that is
his finding.
Senator Levin. If he can say that publicly, why can you
not?
Mr. Goss. Sir, I do not know about the details of the
report and how he came to that conclusion or not. The question
here was registering. Your question is some numbers were
apparently not registered. I do not know what the time lines
for registering are. I do not know what the definition of
``ghost detainees'' are.
..............
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:44 PM
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49. dKos: Lying to Congress is a Crime
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/18/732745/-Lying-t...

Give an incompetent liar enough rope ....

Goss in attempting to put that noose on Rep. Nancy Pelosi, seems to have forgotten his own contradictory testimony to Congress. If Goss and Pelosi were briefed about waterboarding, Goss lied to Congress, a crime. Goss' own statements are now evidence implicating himself.

Even competent liars eventually get caught in the web of their own irreconcilable constructions.

...........

Porter Goss blatantly lied to a Congressional Comm.

So, if the Rs want to discuss lying to Congress, and point fingers at Pelosi, let's bring this Catch 22 into the discussion.

............
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:19 PM
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51. Slam dunk.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 07:19 PM
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52. Porter Goss's soul reason being hired was to rid the CIA of
any / all agents who had different views about 9-11, reports that went intentionally uninvestigated and not reported on and he did exactly that, he cleaned up/out the CIA for Bushco and without no warning he announces his resignation asap and Bush of course merely states how proud he was of him for doing a fine job. They stole the game with Goss.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 07:12 AM
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53. OpEd on MSNBS: Congress Investigating Documented CIA Lying
VIDEO: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

An investigation is already underway of "documented" misleading of Congress! Is this Porter Goss?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 07:47 AM
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54. WEEKLY Torture News Roundup: Cheney's Screwed
Torture News Roundup: Cheney's Screwed
by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse
Sun May 17, 2009
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/17/732512/-Tor...

This past week, there were several reports discussing Cheneys role in Bushs torture program. Alone they may not be considered sufficient to convict him, but this is just one week. I constructed a little timeline of what we learned this week. These reports indicate more key documents will be released, and provide a good starting point of witnesses for the special prosecutor to question. Now that it is clear that torture was used to fabricate evidence to support Bushs illegal war in Iraq, more connections will be drawn between the dots from years ago and today.

My timeline ..................
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 09:44 AM
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56. Spin-off: *** Congress Investigating Documented CIA Lying ***
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 08:04 AM
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58. Porter Goss Wont Say Whether He And Pelosi Were Told About Use Of Torture
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Porter Goss Wont Say Whether He And Pelosi Were Told About Use Of Torture


Porter Goss, the former GOP Congressman who was in the room with Nancy Pelosi during their 2002 CIA briefing on interrogations, is declining through a spokesperson to say whether the two of them were told that enhanced interrogation techniques had been used.

Goss reticence raises still another round of questions about the accuracy of the recently-released CIA documents purporting to detail what members of Congress were told about the use of torture.

The CIA documents say that Pelosi and Goss, then the House Intelligence Committee chair, were given a description on September 4th, 2002, of the enhanced interrogation techniques that had been employed during interrogations. Republicans have seized on this as proof that Pelosi was told that torture, including waterboarding, was already in use, which she has denied.

I asked a spokesperson for Goss if he would confirm that he and Pelosi had been informed of the use of torture. ............

The Republican Congressman who was in the room during Pelosis briefing wont directly vouch for the accuracy of the CIAs claim that she had been briefed on the use of torture.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 08:08 AM
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59. he's a republican....laws don't apply
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votingupstart Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-23-09 08:45 AM
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60. no he wont and neither will anyone else
this will all be a big song and dance and in the end NO ONE WILL GO TO JAIL FOR LYING - you/me/us/we/people cannot be partial to who we try for lying either all of them or none of them.
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