I suddenly realized that my old Film "Rove's War" is a goldmine Re: Cheney/Torture

[symbolman]

Last night while watching KO & Maddow I started yelling, "Yellowcake, yellowcake!!" at the TV.. The combo of Pelosi talking about releasing declassified material from that Era & Graham's meticulous notes (we're in those notes btw, having met & scheduling an interview), along with Rachel talking about how No Other VP has spent so much time in the CIA headquarters in history, forced a connection between errant synapses in my brainpan, and Wham! Suddenly I realized that all the info I spent a year researching regarding Plame when I created a dual DVD set (informative film) called "Rove's War", is a goldmine!

Then I followed a link from a thread here to the wonderful EmptyWheel of Firedoglake, and They were lining up the same Dots..

I'll post that link as soon as I can get to my main computer, on a mobile phone now..

I've got to watch that DVD again, mine the pertinent video and get it out there, so people will have something Else to chew on instead of Pelosi's ass..

People have long forgotten what was Actually going on in those days, thank god I documented it, this should be good.. Maybe I can use it it get back on Joe the Scar's show, & get them in a headlock :)

I've got the goods on these people who act as tho the past doesn't freakin' EXIST!

[Duer 157099]

1. Here's a link to emptywheel's page

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/

She has the most complete comprehensive gathering of data and timelines that I've found yet, highly recommend also

Symbolman, that's great to hear - was that one of the dvds that you distributed back then?

[symbolman]

7. Yep

It's two DVDs with a rolling collection of video clips gathered from many stations plus the film I took of the Downing Street Memos Hearing (held in a broom closer since the Repigs refused to grant Conyers a sufficient space) filled with as near a complete timeline of that era's corruption. I called it Rove's War since he was so intregal, but in the end it was also an expose of Cheney, Feith, Rhoades, and many of their henchmen..

Lots of Info, did a vast amount of research, most of it pointing back to Cheney, the torture stuff clicks into place nicely when added :)

Thanks for posting the link!

[Duer 157099]

8. Cool, then I have it. Now I just need to locate it...

Darn!

:thumbsup:

[Duer 157099]

24. Does it start with scenes from Hawaii?

The 2 discs I have are both labeled as the Conyer's hearing from 6/16/05

Is there another DVD actually called "Rove's War"?

[symbolman]

27. Yeah, that set would be the Downing Street Memos

But there's some great info there, I included some in the Rove's War.. Still looking for my master copies, I've moved so..

Different set, worth the watch tho, much corruption layed out by Valerie's hubby, he tells of meeting Saddam with a rope, as in "Come and get me, Baddass!" amazing man :)

[xiamiam]

36. prople forget the climate back then..when they locked the meeting rooms and forced that meeting to

the basement...we had no voice..even our elected reps were treated like crap...bless you for doing this..

[Rosa Luxemburg]

41. are you going to publish it as a major movie?

like Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911

[symbolman]

43. LOL, I wish :)

At more than two hours long it would rival the Ten Commandments, hmmm, Cheney as Moses?

Afraid it's pretty much for political junkies, though it does have merit.. And the music Sucks, need to apologize for that :)

Michael Moore once called me "The Man" once, and I actually beat him on many issues when I was turning out Flash ads years ago, beat him by a year showing Bush at Booker T Elementary on 911, then wrote to him, since he was linking to my work from his site, and suggested he do the Bush 911 thing, all true :)

[Rosa Luxemburg]

73. it's not too late to publish it!

[malaise]

2. Hurry and post the link

please

[EFerrari]

3. Go, symbolman! And btw, I'm looking for video of the Taguba hearings.

The link at CSPAN has been broken for weeks and they're not responding to my inquires about it, even when I offer to buy their recording. Those hearings are full of Republicans lying their asses off. If you have it or if anyone does, please let me know!

[sattahipdeep]

11. "The only question left is whether anyone will be prosecuted."

A quote from General Taguba.

The Bush Administration's Endorsement of Torture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4hQ28D4xdQ

[EFerrari]

14. This is the CSPAN broken link. Maybe they pulled the video. I can't know, they won't talk to me.

http://www.cspan.org/Watch/Media/2004/09/09/HP/A/1447/Senate+Hearing+on+Army+Abu+Ghraib+Report.aspx

[Rosa Luxemburg]

38. why won't CSPAN speak to you?

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

49. NPR has it

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1892647

[EFerrari]

51. They do have the audio. I'm lookin' for the vid.

:)

[ColbertWatcher]

4. Excellent work! Chalk up another win for the internets! k+r, n/t

[SpiralHawk]

5. The k and the r

Onward, Symbolman.

[bleever]

6. K&R!

[eleny]

9. Let the dredging commence

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[flyarm]

10. How are you doing Symbolman?? sending my regards..for your health and always ..for your work ..

for all Americans!!

Sure hope you are well!! or getting well!!

fly

[symbolman]

17. Hiya Fly!

Thanks for asking, due to the wonderful folks here (especially williesgirl, an Angel like you) we were able to get our asses relocated after our foreclosure, then there was my first ever ride, at 3am in a meat wagon after the agonizing removal of an offending organ, the surgeon informed me that no thanks to my last doctor, that organ could have literally dropped & killed me.. Things are looking up, been healing and feeling better than I have in a Long time! That unit was poisoning my body, overloading my immune system, filling me with pain that all melted away.. I'm no longer a Pain Person.. Like that scene in The People VS Larry Flynt where he wakes up and his wife wants to take his meds with him, and he yells, "Don't Need 'Em!"

Feel great, making music again, got three songs nearly finished that I hope will blow some socks off (mostly Political, which is my nature of course), when done I'd been invited by the manager of the White Stripes to submit them to him :)

My poor wife's been through hell, losing a house, then potentially a husband in the same year, but we're at the Fuck It Stage where you put your head down, keep moving forward, and laugh a Lot.. In the end, you got your Friends, Family, your Mind & Love, then you're richer than Dickless Cheney, eh? :)

This place and my friends here have literally saved us, forever grateful to it, and to you :)

Thanks for the compliments & how the Hell are You?!!

[flyarm]

12. Please send your dvd to Marcy Wheeler..she ia all over the Valerie Plame angle..

many of us when that was all going down thought the pushback By Cheney was at the entire CIA community..and that Valerie was used via her husband..and alone .. to shut up and scare all the CIA spooks.

Joe and Valerie were used to keep other Spooks from blowing the proverbial whistle on Cheney..mr evil..

How luck we have always been to have you here in our corner Symbolman!!..Fighting for truth and justice!!

stay well friend..

fly

[omega minimo]

13. Bless you Symbolman

Your Basement Hearings were very powerful.

Hope you are well.

:yourock:

[dmr]

15. I have 'Rove's War'

I'll watch it again when I get home later tonight.

The tedious work you did on this was important and inspiring.

:hi:

[Hissyspit]

22. I've got my copy, too. Will try to watch it later tonight.

[sce56]

62. Can you also seed this in bitorrent? See post # 54 to 57

Could you up load it in ISO format to Bitorrent? That way we can send it out to the world

[sce56]

61. See post # 54 to 57

Could you up load it in ISO format to Bitorrent? That way we can send it out to the world

[Hekate]

16. Nice to see you again, Symbolman! Long may you document & get that info out there!

:hug:

Hekate

[cayanne]

18. You Rock symbolman

Thanks for all you and your wife have done for our country! :yourock:

[OneGrassRoot]

19. Thank you, Sir. K'd R'd, and bookmarked! n/t

[symbolman]

20. Want to thank everyone for the K & R's, kind words & support

Truth & Justice, if only those animals existed in Washington DC (which I am now, thanks to williesgirl, only a short Metro ride from), then I'd be able to attend the Prosecution of these Nazi dogs in person..

It's been disheartening over the last 8 years battling these monsters with very nearly everything we had, only to have the politicians and media give 'em all a get out of jail free card.. What's made it all worthwhile has been the support of True Patriots such as you people & many more here on the DU.. The DU has spawned so much Action, and I've been proud to be a part of it..

Our poor old site that was so vibrant before, and was spawned by joining the DU, fell to the wayside as we travelled, making films & interviewing heavies, working on books & music instead of creating even More Flash attack ads that Worked, opened up minds with humor, then filling them with Facts they could use to Fight these bastards!

And we've been side-tracked with losing our home, surgery, no income.. But since I had that surgeon rummage around inside of me I awoke feeling WAY better (had my ingrown Bush Corruption gland removed) than I've felt in years, I'm Inspired to Demand Prosecution of these Traitors, and hope together we can hammer the Media & Folks with so many Facts pertaining to these Bastard Torturing Traitors that our Wonderful President decides that the Law IS The LAW, and asks Congress to get On With It..

We Still have To Take Back The Media, and my wife and I are Constantly thinking of new ways & avenues to that end, utilizing new technology, trends like Twitter, video phones, etc to rise like a Phoenix :)

I hope I can say sometime soon, "You Ain't Seen Nothin' Yet!" as we move onward & upward.. Off the soapbox now, just wanted to thank everyone, tell them to not be discouraged, even though I know I have been, because You and Me..

Are only a glorious Infant, Still Nursing at the Breast! (Lao Tzu)

Now Let's Go Get Those Bush Bastards! (Going thru hard drives for footage Tonight)

[williesgirl]

21. Glad you're baaaack! Up to my ears in kids and dogs, but glad all of you are on top of this.

This is my first chance to read and comment since last Sunday. Was hard even keeping up with all the news and I'm sure I missed a ton of it. Nice to know others are still hard at work though. Thanks and rec'd

[symbolman]

67. Hey there Guardian Angel!

Still surrounded by kids and doggies? Hope that's all going well, at least you seemed to be prepping madly for it.. hey, what about that field trip to fishies? is that still on, or did you do it already? What with all the rain we had lately I figured the fish were going to come to US :)

It's getting hot and heavy out there re: Torture, esp with Dickless Cheney flapping his gums all over the place.. Love how the REPIG TALKING POINT was, "Dick Cheney couldn't have any other reason other than Love for his Country.."

Horseshit, Dick Cheney only loves two things, MONEY, and POWER, and everyone knows it..

The media of course has their standard vested interest in All Things Republican..

Up in Alaska my old trapper pal would say that the Media needs to be "gutshot", his answer to everything, from politics to Michael Jackson.. When I'd ask him, "Why Gutshot?", he'd say,

"Because it hurts like HELL, and takes a LONG Time to Kill ya, but it always works.."

Those Sourdoughs, I tell ya :)

Dunno if you ever saw my "Rove's War" from a few years back, but there's some really damning video in there, connections etc, and the good part is, the work on that was all done, all the research, etc.. all I'd have to do is what some folks suggest here to get it out, just Upload the work.. or I can grab some of the highlights and post them..

Ray McGovern, Ex CIA, Tore Cheney a few new orifices at the Downing Street Memos Hearing I filmed in DC, and that needs to be seen, folks have forgotten just how CORRUPT these bastards were, the level back them was astounding, add in the fact that they were torturing BEFORE the war, and we've got a nice little story brewing that we need to Catapault over the Heads of the Media, and into the Hands of The PEOPLE..

We send our love, let us know if there's a playdate in the future? :)

[Wednesdays]

23. K&R

:kick:

[proud patriot]

25. I believe I have a copy of that I need to rewatch it

:hi:

[DemReadingDU]

26. I have "Rove's War" too

Symbolman, glad you are feeling better!

[pacalo]

28. That is great news!

So glad you're back & as good as new!

:toast:

[L. Coyote]

29. KnR

[bertman]

30. Can't wait to see the work you've done, symbolman. Thank you for your contributions.

[Oilwellian]

31. I have Rove's War as well

It's the most meticulous documentary on the Bush crime family ever made. There's so much information in it, it's almost overload. I'll be sure and watch both DVDs again. There is SO MUCH in it. It's great to see you're doing well Symbolman. As you know, I've been a fan of yours for years now. :hi:

[symbolman]

32. Hey! Love the critique!

Yeah, it IS Overload :) I was sick at how hard and fast these monsters Moved, from one outrage to the next, and they knew what they were doing.. No one had a chance to Digest what came Before! Many people, especially the fine Firedoglake, were so busy trying to keep up, to unwind the corruption, so I did what I could to connect some dots, tie up some loose ends..

Sheesh, you could probably generate enough documentaries laid end to end and circle the globe, eh?

Thanks for the thumbs up, I've appreciated your posts for many years now :)

Been thinking of piling all the Takebackthemedia.com work of old onto the site, to battle all the Revisionism being bandied about, maybe I could donate them all to the Bush Library :)

Again, great to hear from you, and all the other good friends here!

[The Wizard]

52. The corruption

and propaganda was an onslaught that could not be comprehended by the average citizen. The corporate media acted as handmaidens for the most corrupt government since Caligula. The CIA moles in the media outlets provided cover and plausible deniability for the cartel.

Some people should be publicly horse whipped.
With pain comes awareness and false confessions.

[DU GrovelBot]

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[Kablooie]

34. Oh my god! Look at what IRAN has NOW!

We're DOOMED!

[symbolman]

35. It's 4 am, and I'm going to be dead in the morning

because I sat up late and watched the whole "Rove's War" to see what's in there, and by god I was RIGHT.. LOTS of info, and the whole tenor of the Plame case belies ANY crap they may be throwing at Pelosi, and MUCH PROOF that they admin are LIARS, and that Cheney was PUSHING the CIA, Tenent was assisting him, along with Cheney cohorts, Rove Henchmen, and Bush appointees..

This film is Much clearer now that we get to look back at what was going on.. all boils down to cherry picking info, FRIGHTENING Agents all over the world, while torturing captives to SELL THE WAR.

In the end ALL OF IT was to SELL THE WAR, period. Totally Political.

I've got to share some of this footage with the webfolks, make sure they realize what the hell was going ON THEN.

So many (thanks to the Media) are Glossing over what was happening at the time, WHO was in CHARGE, and WHAT they were DOING..

Sorry for the caps, this drives me crazy, even more angles have cropped up after watching my film, and I need to write it all down, and present footage for folks to watch as backup. Gotta get this OUT THERE, and soon.

Those of you watching the Rove's War DVD's, I think you'll see some new angles now that other issues are being presented from that era. ANd thanks for the support. I can't believe that I even made that 2 and a half hours of solid info, boggles my mind, and I edited all that, wow.

But I'm glad I did, there are items in there that even I had forgotten, time to reanimate them :)

[lonestarnot]

37. Right on Symbolman! Headlock toast!

:headlock: :toast:

[diva77]

39. is your documentary available anywhere?

[symbolman]

42. Not really..

The duplication/DVD printing machine I had is long gone, sorry.. But after watching it last night I'm trying figure out how to grab some salient parts, edit them together and stick them up online, some of this would go a long way in explaining how the CIA can Lie, or how they were Intimidated into shutting up, supplying cherry picked info for Bushies, Cheney, etc..

Wish I could reissue it, fight the Revisionism :)

[Hissyspit]

46. You could always just put it up on YouTube in 10 minute chunks.

Part of the movie, or the entire thing. I would do it using iMovie for you with my copy if I had more time. Teaching summer classes right now, though.

No chance of finding someone to reissue and distribute it?

[symbolman]

70. good idea

but I know they shut down stuff over copyright worries, and since I use clips from all over the TV bandwidth, I'm not sure if they'd just kill them off?

Great idea tho, thanks! :)

[sce56]

54. How about putting it on BitTorrent in an ISO format then it could be seeded around the planet!

Hard to lose it that way and you would get a big distribution as long as you are not looking to get up front cash for it.

http://www.bittorrent.com/

[symbolman]

55. I wouldn't mind that at all, it'd be great

But I can't figure out how to Do It :) old guy I guess.. Maybe someone can do it, get it out there, I'd need lessons and the teacher would need a club.. I'll check the link.. Thanks!

[sce56]

56. Maybe you could ask all in this thread who have a copy of it to put it on so it could go viral

Also put teasers on YouTube with a link to the bitorrent site. Great work the truth is out there!

[symbolman]

57. Fine with me

Anyone with a copy here that wants to bittorrent Rove's War it's fine with me, how it works after that I have no idea, doesn't someone have to host it? Once it's in more computers then They are "hosting" it, right? Like Napster was, peer to peer or whatever?

Told ya I was ignorant 'bout this stuff :)

Yeah, I'd appreciate a link so when I put teasers out there I know where to send folks.. Great idea, get us some truth & perspective out there, thanks

[Oilwellian]

63. You can put it on Vimeo

They allow 500MB's uploaded per week. My guess is that's about an hour and a half of video time, so I'd have to do half now and half next week. Not sure how many MBs your documentary has total but I'll take a look at it tomorrow and convert to MP4's to see. If you wish, I'll put it up on my Vimeo account, and then anyone can download it from there.

[symbolman]

64. Sounds great to me my friend

Dunno how big the files would be either.. send me a link when/if you get a chance to do it and I'll make sure to promote it, make some teasers and send folks from those to the Vimeo.. Vimeo, not familiar with it..

Big Thanks from this end!

[Octafish]

40. Better than Gold.

Truth is more precious than most any Thing.

[Jax]

44. symbolman, YOU are the effing GOLD MINE!!!

you are a DU treasure. You always have been.

as always, :thumbsup: :yourock:

Alyce

[symbolman]

58. Oh Stop..

Okay, now do it again, I love it :)

Kidding, thanks, much appreciated, love ya too

[bos1]

45. So how can I watch the DVD? Is it on youtube? nt

[suede1]

47. K&R. Damn, somehow I have to get that video.

[symbolman]

59. The only way I could generate copies would be

One DVD at a time on my computer, wish I had some spares laying around I'd get them to you, but, alas...

Upthread there's a convo about bittorrenting it.. Maybe that'll work..

Also potential that I YouTube ten minute blocks, dunno how well that would work, got many clips from many channels, they'd probably take it down, dunno..

Wish I could help, Kinko's expensive?

[tkmorris]

71. If you want to Torrent it

You can send the file to me via a messaging program (I use AIM and MSN Messenger) and I'll put it out there. I can keep the torrent seed open 24/7 for anyone that wants it. My AIM ID is MorrisFrog, PM me here if you want my MSN contact info. I'll be online by about 3PM EST most days.

And Symbolman... EVERY video you create is a goldmine. Don't you know that yet? Your entry into MoveOn's "Bush in 30 seconds" contest for example was brilliant, and I have sought in vain to locate a copy on the internet.

[symbolman]

76. Gonna have to PM ya and set something up

Sounds like some huge files tho.. Gotta zip or rar or compress How?

Thanks for the compliments, much appreciated.. You're speaking of the "Army of One" flash, then Commercial I created that is STILL salient, sadly enough.. Anyone talking about depleted uranium poisoning Iraq's kids lately? Third rotation troops shooting other troops? I like to think they quit using their "Army of One" media campaign because of my video, but I'm sure that's delusional :)

It was shown all over, 3000 times on cable during the Dem Convention.. And I was invited on Scarborough's show for the second time because of it, I've Tweeted him a few times, asking to come on his show, run that video and discuss what's changed, no answer yet..

I'll make sure to upload both flash & commercial for you.. Still going thru hard drives at night only as my 4 year old will guarantee cables get yanked, usually accidentally :)

Thanks for the offer, I'll PM you & we can illuminate me as to format tech aspects :)

Good to hear from you!

[20score]

48. K&R. Great news.

[symbolman]

69. Thank you

and the Flying Spagetti Monster you rode in on :)

[glitch]

50. You sound so much better! K & R nt

[symbolman]

65. Yeah, it's great

We were both plenty DOWN for awhile, having somebody root around in your guts, then actually waking up is also inspirational :)

Thanks for noticing, hope all's well with you and yours as well!

[annabanana]

53. Way to GO! Symbolman!!. . goget'em!

You rock, dude.

[symbolman]

68. You got a deal!

And no.. YOU Rock, so there.. :)

Thanks!

[mmonk]

60. Yes it is. That is why I have it.

;-)

[symbolman]

66. All I can say

is you have excellent taste :)

Thanks!

[mmonk]

72. Thank you for everything you've done.

[H2O Man]

74. Good OP/thread

I got out my copy last night.

[symbolman]

75. LOL, your Copy? Ask anyone in your family for a copy & thanks for that :)

I think your family has got to be one the most well informed in the country, H2OMan!

Your support was invaluable, moral & otherwise at that period..

NOW is the time to USE this information, eh?

Many thanks, hope you and yours are Well!