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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:11 AM
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Who needs libraries in Florida, seriously.
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:13 AM
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1. ALL STATE FUNDING FOR PUBLIC LIBRARIES IS ELIMINATED
from your link:

ALL STATE FUNDING FOR PUBLIC LIBRARIES IS ELIMINATED
Florida Library Association asks Floridians to voice their opposition
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (MAY 1, 2009) On April 30, an appropriations conference committee
for the House and Senate agreed to eliminate all funding for Floridas State Aid to Public
Libraries program. This devastating action will result in some Florida library branches closing
and will seriously cripple libraries ability to serve Floridians. It will be especially damaging to
libraries in Floridas rural communities, as these libraries rely heavily on provisions in the
program that help communities with lower tax bases.


Good grief!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:36 AM
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6. WTF???
My public libraries here in Orlando are packed all the time! Especially the computer areas now that unemployment is so high.

The GOP fears education more than anything. :grr:
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:48 AM
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11. I work for Orange County Library system
Our circulation is up 20% and still climbing.
We are seeing more and more people who are trying to deal with the effects of the economy, yet our budget for next F/Y will be 10-20% LESS.
Along with the schools, we are being hung out to dry. And we are one of the better funded systems in the state.

BUT, by God, we have a new Jeebus license plate!
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:18 AM
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2. Oh, super. But maybe they'll still be able to find enough money to put
Neil Bush's horrid purple cows in every elementary school classroom.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:22 AM
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3. That's fucking tragic.
Edited on Sat May-02-09 09:27 AM by liberalmuse
When we were dirt poor, there was the library up the street. It made us feel like we were rich. That's how I learned mosaics is my passion. I laughed and cried watching movies I wouldn't normally have an interest in. I learned how to garden and cook vegetarian. I learned how to spot a treasure at the thrift store. I discovered my favorite bands there. My daughter found causes to fight for there. Who'd want to live in a state where they don't fund libraries? How sad. :cry:
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:23 AM
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4. I'm surprised this hasn't come sooner
...being that libraries are nothing but hot beds of liberalism that do nothing but fight book banning.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:31 AM
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5. That reminds me, it's time to update my membership in Book Banners of America.
Edited on Sat May-02-09 09:35 AM by Sal Minella
If it weren't for the good work we do, people would be allowed to read all sorts of things, picking up off-beat ideas about government and God-only-knows-what-all. So unnecessary. People can just watch Fox News if they want to know something.

Edit: :sarcasm:
(for the lurkers who don't recognize Colbert as a satirist) --
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:39 AM
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7. Nothing smells better than a good book burning on a cool autumn evening
Edited on Sat May-02-09 09:39 AM by OmahaBlueDog
Nothing beats a big pile of copies of "To Kill a Mockingbird", "The Sun Also Rises" "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn", and "The Grapes of Wrath" all flaming and popping away. Trust me, nothing beats it.

If you'd ever want to start a good literary bonfire, here's an excellent list of books to use:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_commonly_chal... .

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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 02:06 PM
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25. Loved one comment on the talk page there
Someone said that that challenged book list makes a fantastic recommended book list.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 03:10 PM
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26. Indeed. I have it bookmarked for my young relatives.
They have to learn to think somehow and I'm not sure our classrooms have time for that since NCLB, with overloaded teachers "teaching to the test" to keep schools from being de-funded.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:57 AM
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8. As an English major and Florida resident
Edited on Sat May-02-09 10:00 AM by ixion
I must say that I find this unwise in the extreme; and, as usual, I'm disappointed in the idiots running the state.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:06 AM
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9. Jeb *Education Governor* Bush and his hacks in the legislature have destroyed education in Florida.
Edited on Sat May-02-09 10:29 AM by seafan
Today's news is just more of the same blind stupidity steeped in a fetid arrogance.


ALL STATE FUNDING FOR PUBLIC LIBRARIES IS ELIMINATED

Florida Library Association
May 1, 2009


Florida Library Association asks Floridians to voice their opposition


TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (MAY 1, 2009) On April 30, an appropriations conference committee
for the House and Senate agreed to eliminate all funding for Floridas State Aid to Public
Libraries program. This devastating action will result in some Florida library branches closing
and will seriously cripple libraries ability to serve Floridians. It will be especially damaging to
libraries in Floridas rural communities, as these libraries rely heavily on provisions in the
program that help communities with lower tax bases.
The Florida Library Association (FLA) is calling on Governor Charlie Crist to use his influence
and ask legislative leaders to find a way to fund this critical program, which has helped support
public library service to Floridians since 1962.
FLA also calls on Floridians to contact their local representatives to ask them to fund Floridas
State Aid to Public Libraries program so that libraries do not have to close branches around the
state. Use the Find Your Legislators box at www.flsenate.gov to find your local representatives
and their contact information.
In these rough economic times, Floridians need their libraries more than ever. Libraries help
citizens with job searches, in obtaining e-Government services, and in teaching our young
children to read. They also help parents and caregivers learn to be their childs first teacher, and
provide books, other print materials, DVDs and CDs.

Visit www.flalib.org or call 386-438-5795 for more information.




Jeb Bush, the self-proclaimed *education governor*, has been gutting education in Florida since 1998.



Jeb Bush Vetos Florida Library Funds

May 29, 2006

..... "The Tallahassee Democrat reports, "Public libraries cut for sixth year." It defies understanding why Mr. Bush, who is admirably called "the education governor," has vetoed a $2.2 million appropriation for Florida public libraries. ..."In an apparent time of plenty, it is unfortunate that libraries were such an easy place to go to trim what is now the largest state budget in Florida history: $73.9 billion. The $2.2 million is a drop in the bucket; another drop was the $1.8 million eliminated for online tutoring services through public libraries.""




Gov. Jeb Bush Vetoes Florida Library Appropriations

American Library Association
May 26, 2006


As part of an unprecedented $448.7-million line-item veto of state funding, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush slashed a total of $5.8 million in grants to public libraries, pilot projects for library homework help and web-based high-school texts, and funding for a joint-use library in Tampa. Bush, whose term runs out in January 2007, said as he signed the $73.9-billion state budget May 25 that he was pleased to leave the state with a $6.4-billion reserve cushion against hard times, the Tallahassee Democrat reported May 26.

The biggest library cut was $2.2 million in supplemental library grants for 20062007, to be used for library books, materials, supplies, and services. According to the Florida Library Association, the appropriation would have helped make up for inflation and the cost of serving millions of new residents.

We do not understand why the Governor would veto funding for Floridas public libraries, said FLA President Sol Hirsch. Libraries work hard to support the Governors priorities, state agencies, and programs. We had no indication from the Governors Office that there were problems all session and frankly we were surprised.

Bush cut $1.8 million for a statewide pilot project to provide one-on-one tutoring to school-age children in any subject area through an internet connection using library computers; $800,000 for a web-based library pilot project to provide electronic texts for high school students; and $1 million for a joint-use library serving students of the Hillsborough County school system and patrons of the TampaHillsborough County Public Library System.

In his veto message, Bush said he singled out projects that he felt slipped into the budget without proper legislative review, didnt serve a statewide interest, or are more appropriately funded from private organizations and charities or local governments rather than by state funds. Besides libraries, funding for hospitals, trauma centers, nursing homes, and jail-intervention programs also took major hits.

Sen. Nan Rich (D-Sunrise) said the Republican-controlled legislature had already skimped on social services in its budget proposal. These values are not my values, Rich said in the May 26 Miami Herald. My values seek to help the people who are the most vulnerable. I wouldnt cut disease-research programs, jail diversion, or library programs.




Gov. Jeb Bush Set on Breaking Up Florida State Library

American Library Association
March 3, 2003


Florida Lieutenant Governor Frank Brogan announced February 25 that the State Library of Floridas circulating collectionconsisting of more than 354,800 books, periodicals, and audiovisual materialswill be transferred to Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale. The move, expected to be complete by early fall, is intended to save the state $10.2 million over the next four years by eliminating 41 library positions and other costs.

Gov. Jeb Bush called the deal a really important example of a public-private partnership, the Tallahassee Democrat reported February 26. The NSU library is a joint-use facility, shared by university faculty and students and registered borrowers of the Broward County Division of Libraries. Bush added that those who dont agree have a very static way of looking at things and cant see beyond the horizon.

However, the announcement did little to dissuade widespread criticism of Bushs plan to break up the state library. Nova will receive $5 million in state funds over the next four years to move and maintain the collection, an arrangement that wasnt made in an earlier proposal to Florida State University. Thats a good deal, said former FSU dean and exState Library Director William Summers facetiously. The states paying them $50 a book to give them books the state already owns.

Bush has since backed down on a broader plan to transfer the librarys prized Florida Collection and the state archives to the Department of Environmental Protection, according to the February 26 Orlando Sentinel.

Meanwhile, a coalition of librarians, archivists, and historians has banded together to seek a court injunction against the move and challenge the governors authority to give away public property. Pam Cooper, an organizer of the group and genealogy librarian at the Indian River County Main Library in Vero Beach, has planned a demonstration at the state library in Tallahassee March 4, when she hopes about 250 like-minded people will be able to link arms around the building.




Anger meets Bush plan to relocate books

By STEVE BOUSQUET
St. Petersburg Times

February 26, 2003


TALLAHASSEE -- Gov. Jeb Bush wants to give 350,000 books in the state library to Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale, a private school with a big new library and a yearning for prestige.
Bush says the transfer will save money and allow millions of people in South Florida to enjoy a little-used collection. But librarians and historians, who have mobilized to stop one of Bush's most controversial budget-cutting moves, are angry. They say the library is a public resource that should never be given to a private university.

The state signed a deal with Nova on Tuesday, but the Legislature needs to approve Bush's plan to pay Nova $5-million over four years to take the 80-year-old collection of books, journals, microfilm, videos and government records. Bush said the state would save $10.2-million over four years, mostly by eliminating 41 state jobs.
"When you see the access this will provide for Floridians, and compare it to what we have now, I think people should give us credit for being creative and solving a problem at a lower cost," Bush said. "Sometimes, you've got to create a little bit of crisis to have an end result, and we found one."

Bush originally proposed moving the books, used mostly by state employees and academics, to Florida State University as a way to save money in a tight budget year. But FSU rejected the offer because the governor did not include any money.
The state on Tuesday signed a six-page contract transferring "title, ownership and possession" of the books to Nova, "thereby lessening the burdens of government." Two other parts of the library division, state archives and state records management, will remain in Tallahassee.

William Summers, a retired dean of Florida State University's library school and a former American Library Association president, said giving the library books to Nova would be a big mistake.
"It's a collection that was built to serve the needs of state government. What's it going to do in Broward County?" Summers said. "It's not a collection that serves students in an academic institution. It's not a collection that serves the general public."

For weeks, Bush has been getting angry e-mails and letters from library lovers, some of whom said moving the library makes no sense because Bush has emphasized the importance of reading.
The criticism showed no sign of letup Tuesday.
"It's putting public material in a private university, and Nova Southeastern does not have the greatest reputation as an academic institution," said Nick Wynne of Brevard County, the executive director of the Florida Historical Society.

Bush showed a flash of anger Tuesday, saying he was offended by critics who accuse him of lacking sensitivity to Florida history. He cited the prospect of war with Iraq in defending the library proposal.
"In these tough, tough, challenging times, where our country is possibly going to war," Bush said, "I would hope that all of the constituencies would join us in finding new approaches to solving problems and to deal with very important services to the state."

.....





This is your brain on Jeb Bush educational policy. It's his most beloved priority, you see.




And as we near the close of the spring legislative session in Florida, an update:

Florida Republican Legislature leaves a record of failure





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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:10 AM
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15. okay but the current governor of FL is Charles Joseph "Charlie" Crist, Jr (R)
since 2003
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 01:54 PM
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22. Jeb Bush was Governor from 1998 through early 2007. We are saddled with his legacy. n/t
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 05:26 PM
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27. never in 1998, and you're counting 2 days in 2007. but okay point taken. nt
Edited on Sat May-02-09 05:31 PM by adamuu
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:10 AM
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10. Tax cuts for the wealthy/corporations are bankrupting the states . . .
Congress has to restore this money --

Increase the taxes on corporations and the wealthy -- !!!

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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:53 AM
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12. They should replace them with Olive Gardens
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:55 AM
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13. Check out this thread.
Edited on Sat May-02-09 10:55 AM by juno jones
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Note the posters arguing that libraries are a waste of money and that everyone should pay for access. Kinda sad.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:03 AM
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14. Wow. Truly sad.
It appears ignorance has become quite the style.

PS: Great button, brought back a flood of memories, including Ringmaster Ned. Remember "The Grand Prize Game"?
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:24 AM
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16. Yes.
Edited on Sat May-02-09 11:30 AM by juno jones
I do.

A freind and former chef of mine got to play the 'Grand Prize Game'. He didn't win the $100, but he did get a 'Cookie' button. We bonded over Bozo's Circus, I swear to God :).

I first heard the 'Bozo Button' line from my sister who still lives in the Chicago area. She used it all the time for awhile when we were growing up.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:27 AM
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18. Yep. It's a sad day on DU when there are several members arguing that libraries
are a waste of taxpayer money and are obsolete. And, one them claims to be a writer.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:39 AM
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20. He probably writes captions for lolcats.
And right now he's got a bad case of writer's block.

Any thing else would be too tl/dr.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 02:04 PM
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23. Hey now, some lolcats require wit (nt)
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:36 PM
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30. That argument certainly isn't progressive or even democratic, wonder why they post here...
hmm
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:25 AM
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17. ba dum bum shhh!
sorry, late with the rimshot again.

this news bites!
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:36 AM
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19. Our Tax Dollars At Work In Florida. aka known as " God's Waiting Room"
... the Florida Legislators DID MANAGE to raise Hurricane Insurance 20%. They are working on more gambling venues and a bigger Lottery scam. They passed legislation for a "Jesus" license plate while ignoring the separation of church and state. They turned down $444 Billion in Federal Unemployment money....

And oh yes, almost forgot.. they OK'd drilling off shore along some of the most pristine beaches in the country. BTW.. The off shore drilling rights are traded in heavily by (quick.. act surprised) the BUSH FAMILY.

Well done Congress people. Now vote yourself a healthy raise and take a few months off to rest up.


no sarcasm thingy needed... a person couldn't make this stuff up

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:40 AM
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21. My heart aches for Floridians. Maybe this will be a final straw.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 02:05 PM
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24. Bye, bye "civilization."
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 05:34 PM
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28. I'm shocked to see so many supposed democrats at DU saying the equivalent of "so what"?
one of the best things about the US is its libraries. best, most accessible system in the world.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:30 PM
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29. .
<Subject line edited to remove inflammatory statements>

If I weren't at the opposite end of the country, I'd be marching with librarians and Floridians who value literacy.

For those of us who can't, what's the best way to show our support?
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:39 PM
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31. Public libraries stand, with public education, as cornerstones of democracy
The ability to gain access to information, NO MATTER HOW RICH YOUR PARENTS ARE OR AREN'T, is the sign of a healthy nation - one that does not wish to create a permanent underclass, one that believes in the idea that children are our future.

The ability of the elderly to have access to books and information when they live on limited incomes is a sign of a nation that doesn't want to throw people in the dumpster just because they are not in their top earning years.

Access to information, no matter what your income level, is necessary for democracy. Where else do adults have to go to gain information that is easily accessible - and that has people who are trained to serve just this function for people of varying levels of information technology sophistication?

It seems obvious to me that the Republican party in Florida (oh, hell, and the rest of the nation) is not just stupid. It is bat shit crazy.

It is also an enemy of the American people.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:54 PM
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32. It's hot in Florida.


That's seriously fucked up. Say goodbye to the rest of the civilized world.
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Tashca Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:06 PM
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33. Cutting funding for Libraries is an easy target.
I know state funding for Libraries here in Iowa is pathetic and abysmal. Thirty years of Republican rule in the seventies, eighties, and nineties devastated funding for libraries. The Iowa Library association has been fighting to keep what pittance they currently have. Most now have to rely on local funding or the goodness of peoples hearts. The areas that they are most needed lost their local libraries.
This is something near and dear to my heart.....I was in the fight in the nineties serving on a local board. We were in a fortunate area that had wealthy benefactors and had a nice library. It was a constant struggle for something that should have been one of the first things funded.
Then I moved to Illinois for a few years......The State there understands the huge benefit for funding Libraries. They had wonderful facilities in most small towns.
My wife currently serves on a board. March numbers were up nearly 50% from last March numbers...mostly due to technology usage.
I saw that other thread.....I was shocked at the ignorance expressed by some of the posters. Almost word for word that was used by hate radio here to push for the elimination of Library funding by the State. I question whether these people have ever taken the time to actually visit a library and understand the value they have for a community.
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