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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:59 AM
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How about an avowed athiest in the Supreme Court this time around?
I'd love to see the RW scramble for reasons why a "Godless man/woman" couldn't be a fair and impartial judge, when in my opinion that is who would give us the most balanced opinions.
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Chef Eric Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:01 AM
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1. A big, secular AMEN to that. n/t
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:14 AM
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34. Ramen!
I'm sure there have been Freethinkers
on the court in the past, but for one
to speak up about it would be great!


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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:04 AM
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2. I Think You'd Do Supporting A NAMBLA Member
Not my opinion, but politician will be quick to cite that people will vote for almost anything before they'll support an atheist. While I think the idea is great and it would put some sanity on the court, no politician will come out and nominate an avowed athiest for fear of the orchestrated shitstorm that would ensue.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:07 AM
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3. I can dream right?
I personally think you should take a polygraph PROVING you're an atheist or at least inactive in your religion to be in any aspect of Government. I'm sick and tired of being led by people whose personal philosophies all include a "Doomsday/judgement day/apocalypse" myth in their background.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:12 AM
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4. We All Have Dreams...
Note my first word..."Not MY Opinion". Pardon me for being a bit lazy on an early Saturday, but it's not hard to go out and find a poll on religion and politics and see where people will vote for almost anything ahead of an athiest. It's not my choice who is nominated, it's politicians...and as long as they read polls, their choices will be dictated as such. Look at the push right now for a woman/hispanic/black...and if a straight white male is selected, watch this place explode. All I want is a qualified, Progressive jurist who will counteract the Scalitos.

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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 01:01 PM
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53. In a word, Christians
No other religion has such a basis in doomsday theology. You will not find any other religion that basically urges its followers to seek out the end of the world so that they can live forever in eternal bliss while everyone they dislike is tortured forever. A lot of Christians seem t wonder why their religion is singled out for scorn and ridicule... Well, that's why.

I would basically trust anyone, ANYONE else to manage a government, over someone who believes that the end of the world is going to be a real event that ends well for him.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:23 AM
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5. well a good many atheist I know are better Christians than
the so called 'Christians' running around with the Bible under their arms. When I see a Cross on the sleeve I usually duck as I know I have to hold my wallet. You see I was in business with these so called 'Christians" that prayed to JC to make money and the things they would do would turn you in to a non-believer in about 10 min. I am with you on this one.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:23 AM
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6. that will never happen in this country for a long,long time
i`d settle for an independent/centrist
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:27 AM
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7. Competence, sound judgment, leader, who knows how to work for a living
beats a particular religious or atheist ideology.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:13 PM
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68. Atheism isn't an ideology. It's the lack of one.
NT!

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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:01 AM
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8. That is sure a nice idea. Seriously doubt it will happen. nt
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:02 AM
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9. A Left Handed, Black, Lesbian Atheist.
Why not go further down that road?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:07 AM
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11. Hells yeah!
I'd say nominate a platypus if it would make a few RW heads explode.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:04 AM
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10. Vow: a solemn promise made to a deity or saint committing oneself to an act, service, or condition.
It's great idea, except it appears that "avowed atheist" is an oxymoron.

Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate. :rofl:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:09 AM
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12. Yeah, I actually realized that after I wrote it.
Another oxymoron is the "Loving God" that all the warmongers and hate spewers tell us we should be worshiping.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:10 AM
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13. I think one of the mole people should get it.
Mole people have been kept down by the man far too long.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:13 AM
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14. And the Morlocks
The X-Men Morlocks, not the Wells Morlocks. Cause they're in our future. nm. Sorry, geek attack.
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GA_ArmyVet Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:16 AM
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15. I would prefer a true legal scholar
who actually makes decisions based on law, precedent and the constitution rather than base their appointment on their religion or lack of it.

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:26 AM
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17. Me too, but has it ever really come down to that?
Obama could choose Jesus H Christ himself and the Rethugs will fight him on this tooth and nail and the Dems that let Roberts coast into the main chair because we were "keeping the powder dry" are going to look like the chumps they are.
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Aragorn Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:19 AM
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16. in every office
Since an oath to uphold the constitution, which separates church from state (or rather, state from church)should mean exactly that, any national office-holder should avow to execute duties without prejudice to religious belief. If their religious beliefs don't allow them to do so "in good conscience" they shouldn't run.

Yes, we should demand a lot more from elected people than we do. This one is a no-brainer based on my reading of the constitution.

I doubt I will see it in my lifetime and I know it's the only lifetime I have. Wish I had been born in another country sometimes.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:29 AM
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18. Hey Aragorn (howd you score that screen name?) welcome to DU
You should pick up the belief of reincarnation. You theoretically get to see mankind fuck themselves up hundreds of times.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:29 AM
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19. Yay! Another call for an ideological litmus test.
:argh:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:47 AM
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21. Everyone else has one, why can't I?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:50 AM
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22. You are entitled to yours, as I am to mine
I nominate Bernadette Peters.

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:51 AM
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23. Hells Yeah!
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:59 AM
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20. I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that it would ever happen
But it would be a LOT of fun to see the debate. And frankly I think that debate would be very good for the country.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:53 AM
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24. I want a corporate hater.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:55 AM
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25. OK, I'll do it. What are the vacation benefits like though?
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 03:17 PM
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58. Well, you get to take the whole summer off every year (June - October)
And you get paid a Hell of a lot better than a public school teacher for doing so.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:56 AM
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26. How about an openly gay female atheist? I mean if we are going to wish let's wish big.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:57 AM
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27. How about a skeptic instead? An atheist "believes" there is no God
A skeptic wants proof and evidence. An atheist doesn't need it because they already have formed an opinion, just like a theist.


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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:00 AM
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28. Personally I think about 75% of people who claim to be Christians are skeptics too
Or even closet atheists. There's a "fashion sense" to being a good "God Fearin Amurican" and an unspoken fear of being thought to be anything else.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:08 AM
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30. "A skeptic wants proof and evidence"...
umm- how do you prove that something DOESN'T exist, actually?

just because a bunch of people thousands of years ago made up fantastical stories of omnipotent deities to keep the rabble in line, it means that "proof" of some kind is now needed that the myths aren't true? :crazy: :crazy:

wow.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:10 AM
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31. That's not this atheist's definintion...
Edited on Sat May-02-09 10:15 AM by PassingFair
http://www.webraydian.com/content/view/1217/32 /

Please read the whole page, it will help you to understand the meaning of atheism.

snip> Definitions are tricky. There is no official arbiter of the English language, and if there were, he or she or they could make mistakes in any case. How do we decide what definition is best, then? We look at the reality which the word represents, and use a definition that best describes that reality. The fact that we disagree on the outcome doesn't invalidate the process or suggest that we need to put total faith in some "authority" to choose for us.

In this case, we look at what atheism actually is. It is clear that atheism isn't a belief, but a lack of belief. The believer is the one who claims a god exists. Atheism simply points to the reality that some people's belief systems don't include a belief in a god.< unsnip

I am an atheist, and I have NO belief in
gods.

That doesn't mean that I don't believe
that there is no POSSIBILITY of supernatural
beings, just that I don't BELIEVE
in gods.

So I don't worship any.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:18 AM
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35. everyone starts out as an atheist at birth.
the god stuff doesn't get added until later on.

and for some people, it seems to stick-

but they ALWAYS seem a lot more insecure in their 'faith', than any atheist is in their lack of it; seeing how threatened they generally seem by the people who don't share their belief system.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:26 AM
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39. I used to call myself an "agnostic"....
but it seems a wishy-washy term that
means the same thing.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/reason/agnostici...

After all it wasn't even coined until 1869...

For some reason, it is more palatable to
believers than "atheist".

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:17 PM
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70. Yep. Truth, right here.
NT!

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 03:33 PM
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59. I have no "belief" whatsoever.
It's the religionists that are making the extraordinary claim that there's a sky being who created us and controls our very existence.

It's up to THEM to show ME that one does exist.

Until they do, I couldn't care less.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:16 PM
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69. WRONG. WE ATHEISTS DO *NOT* "BELIEVE" THERE IS NO GOD.
We simply don't buy into the idea that any exist, thanks to the overwhelming lack of evidence for any of the purported ones.

Completely the opposite of your assertion, in fact.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:17 PM
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71. prove a negative ?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:01 AM
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29. He or she might be murdered by the pro life crowd.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:11 AM
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32. onward christian soldiers...
marching as to war-
with the cross of jebus,
going on before... :eyes:

martin luther- one of the original fundy nut-jobs.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:21 AM
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37. Ah, Martin just split up the monopoly, so everyone could have a fundy nutjob franchise.
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:52 AM
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48. Martin Luther was not a fundamentalist.
Nutjob? Perhaps, but he was definitely not a fundy.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 06:30 PM
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66. he sure acted and wrote a lot like one.
and helped to pave the way for the modern-day crop of christian morans.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:12 AM
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33. I don't care
As long as he/she interprets the Constitution the same way as does Stephen Breyer (or Souter, Bader-Ginsburg or Stevens for that matter), I don't care if he/she worships the Spaghetti Monster or a can of Campbell's Soup.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:20 AM
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36. i think that obama might prefer having a chance at a second term.
nt
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:27 AM
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40. I'm beginning to think terms might be a problem in our system
How about one term of six years per Pres. Keeps the new blood flowing through the WH, eliminates the need to spend half your first term doing nothing but campaigning for the second and essentially makes the "second term" lobbyists an extinct species. Maybe you could have some kind of public referendum after 6 years and grant the President two more or something, unopposed, a confidence vote if you will. If he doesn't get the majority an election is held. Maybe I should write science fiction stories?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:32 AM
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42. you can make all the suggestions for a different sytem that you want...
but the chance of those types of changes being made in the constitution without some type of (probably violent) revolution are pretty much slim and none. and slim left town over 200 years ago. :shrug:
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:23 AM
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38. Maybe because 50% of this country is a Christian Thought Camp
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:29 AM
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41. There are people of faith who can use the brain their god gave them to be rational and logical
It's unfair to label all people of faith as batshit religious fanatics.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:09 AM
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43. Where did the OP say any such thing?
Where is the lable of all faithers as fanatics? What sort of moral code allows you to rewrite someone's words like that?
It might be noted that all of the current justices are 'Christians' and thus you should be able to assume that America knows some people of faith have brains. The point is, so do some people who are not religious.
In short, the OP does not seem to be about 'people of faith' in any way at all.
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:24 AM
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44. He didn't and I never said he did
Edited on Sat May-02-09 11:33 AM by cherish44
I was making a statement. Follow your own advice and stop rewriting other people's words.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:33 AM
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46. So it was just a random thought
Not related to, but directed at the OP? Just a statment in a vaccuum? It must hurt to work that hard!
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:38 AM
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47. Hurts to get called out for being a hypocrit doesn't it?
Edited on Sat May-02-09 11:41 AM by cherish44
But alas I am no match for your superior intellect so I well concede defeat by activating my "dickhead-be-gone" option...aka the ignore buttun.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:18 PM
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72. There was no hypocrisy. Try again.
NT!

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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:31 AM
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45. "that is who would give us the most balanced opinions"
Versus whom, exactly, if the OP isn't saying anything about at least some "people of faith"? The OP would have been better to leave out that line.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 12:00 PM
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49. Well that IS terrible!
I offer the words of da Master:
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

And yet, it seems those who claim his name are very quick to find offense between the lines, and to word any imagined slight in terms of hyperbole. I always wonder why that is. I mean, some 'people of faith' are Fred Phelps. Some atheists are Karl Rove. We all know all of this. But it remains that those who claim to follow teachings never seem to do so, and to me, that is the same as claimng to be kosher while munching pulled pork sandwich on Saturday.
Or to ask it more sweetly, did Jesus not say that many will mock you for being 'of faith' and did he not teach how to react to that? Do the people of faith here react as they are taught? Do you think they might do better on such subjects if they did come with humility, as did the teacher?
The electrical spirit of agape is not exactly pulling them in around here as it is currently expressed. If that means anything to any of the faithful.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 12:47 PM
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50. Ok, I'll say it plainly and unashamedly
Religion clouds reason in some people. Some of those people find themselves in positions of incredible power. That is a bad thing no matter who it is or the religion they follow.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:57 PM
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63. So does alchohol. Therefore, all politicians and judges must remain abstain from drinking.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:54 PM
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64. That wouldn't hurt either
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:19 PM
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73. On the job? Definitely. Problem is, religion is always flowing, while you can shut off the beer tap.
NT!

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 12:50 PM
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51. When a poster uses this type of argument, my radar goes off. That isn't a very open minded
response. IMO the post was trying to say that the nomination of an atheist would make the small minded republiCon's heads explode. I would hope you agree that that would be cool to see? Well, do you agree?

The OP didn't even come close to maligning people of faith. The OP said: "in my opinion that is who would give us the most balanced opinions." No labeling there. I disagree with the OP's opinion but can accept their opinion. If you disagree, it would be more convincing if you gave a good argument instead of attacking.

Just sayin.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 12:58 PM
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52. Atheists don't have any morals
Edited on Sat May-02-09 12:58 PM by nichomachus
according to the charlatans in the churches who support torture, oppose equal rights for gays, and think pedophiles are just so nifty.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 02:59 PM
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54. What atheists don't have is a holy book that justifies acts they know are wrong.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 03:05 PM
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55. I'd rather have a Native American.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 03:09 PM
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56. Not if it's Christopher Hitchens.
I'm an Atheist, too, and that sweaty souse doesn't speak for ME.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:20 PM
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74. See above re: drinking.
LOL!

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 03:10 PM
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57. Supreme Court Justice Mike Malloy!
You KNOW he would hear any case against the Bush Crime Family :evilgrin:
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CynicalObserver Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:36 PM
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60. Religion does not have to be equivalent to perception of the role of government
Issues like prayer in school, or banning any self-expression of religion on public ground, while rather perverse given the historic context of such events and the attitudes of the people who wrote the constitution in the first place, seem to be red herrings.

More important is a justice's view on the role of government in society, and the degree to which its powers can be limited, or to which specific language limiting government power in the constitution can be ignored. the commerce clause apparently includes every single thing we do that involves money, or transfer of goods, of course.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:38 PM
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61. OK, so using your logic, an Atheist Republican would be preferable to a Theist Liberal?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:40 PM
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62. the person may very well be but it has nothing to do with his qualifications as a justice.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:57 PM
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65. Haven't followed our President's recent career, huh?
I'll be happy if the candidate's just not a frothing-at-the-mouth extremist believer...
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:12 PM
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67. Someone who operates in reality solely on evidence?
Be still my beating heart!

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