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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:03 PM
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WHO says prepping for a bad pandemic has to be considered
Whether or not you think those of us who are concerned about this emergent flu virus are silly, consider the following. Isn't it better to be prepared (certainly NOT panic) and have it turn out to be nothing, than to not be prepared and suffer a worldwide catastrophe?
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TORONTO The world may not know for quite some time how the outbreak of swine flu will play out, the scientist leading the World Health Organization's response to the situation warned Friday.

And given that the future path of the virus is unknowable and the possibilities run the gamut from fizzling out to causing a global outbreak of severe disease and death, preparing is the prudent course of action, Dr. Keiji Fukuda told The Canadian Press in an interview.

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"And so if we go ahead and we spend a fair amount of time getting ready and it remains mild and not so many people die or get seriously ill from it, then we are lucky and we should just be happy," Fukuda, the WHO's acting assistant director general of health security and environment, said from Geneva.

"If on the other hand it turns very severe and we have simply stopped preparing and we haven't pushed ahead with the preparations . . . that would really be the worst of all possibilities."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:04 PM
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1. prepared (certainly NOT panic)
That's it
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:09 PM
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Yep. Prepare.
If you knew a hurricane was *maybe* coming to your town and didn't know the exact severity, would you prepare for it? ;)
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:05 PM
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2. prepared is routine procedure.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 12:47 AM
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23. Actually, it sounds like we're better prepared than we might have been
in large part because of the national/global proactive readiness and in-place protocols which were created and put in place in response to the Avian flu. From what I understand, we can thank much of our preparedness to that concern.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:05 PM
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3. People are prepping already! Schools closed, info coming out
on a daily if not hourly basis, alright already.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:06 PM
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5. Schools closing isn't prepping.
I find that extreme. Keeping kids out of school is worthless - as witnessed here in Texas, the kids are going to each others houses and playing together anyway.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:19 PM
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8. I find that extreme, too. But from what I understand, the point is
to keep kids away from outside influences to lessen any further infection. There have been so many overreactions, imo, starting with the media.

I think the media is a tad annoyed that no one else has died yet.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:23 PM
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12. I agree with that.
They're eagerly awaiting that first "American" death. Disgusting.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:26 PM
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17. They'll get their wish, but here is what I had to say
bout on the media on DKOS

http://www.dailykos.com/user/nadinbrzezinski

And yes I have said as much here in the past, but this is just a summary

At least their customer base, reader, what have you, reacted better to the sharp media critique
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:30 PM
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20. Thanks for sharing. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:41 PM
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21. You welcome, I really do not know what gets in the water in these parts
every time we have a complex sciency story

Actually I do...

But those facts to me were astounding

Suffice it to say, they are not trying to panic us... that be bad... your eyeballs would leave screen and cower in the corner

I know I am cynical
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:06 PM
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4. WHO says? I sez!
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:09 PM
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6. I work in Elder Care. I'm delighted with the seriousness of the response.
It's hard enough for people to be losing mom and dad eventually, the possibility of our parents and grandparents (Anyone, really!) being ripped away from us by an un-expected illness should NOT be regarded as routine.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:18 PM
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7. I'm glad to hear that.
Being prepared is a good thing. There's nothing worse than not being prepared and realizing there's nothing you can do.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:22 PM
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11. Our county and state have been right on top of this with all health support services.
We get daily bulletins with resource links and contacts and updated information.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:24 PM
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14. Good and those are yer taxes at work
:-)
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:28 PM
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18. I love our work. We are also very much into improving the standards of care.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:21 PM
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9. Call me crazy, but WHO's Director-General, Dr. Chan, spoke as if
a pandemic is a foregone conclusion. I was surprised, actually, because it sounded rather alarmist. Maybe I'm misreading her syntax, but I got the impression she was speaking of a current pandemic rather than a "likely" one... Not that this is a cause for panic - I don't think it is.

Statement by WHO Director-General, Dr Margaret Chan
29 April 2009:


-- "For the first time in history, we can track the evolution of a pandemic in real-time."

-- "WHO will be tracking the pandemic at the epidemiological, clinical, and virological levels."

-- "The biggest question, right now, is this: how severe will the pandemic be, especially now at the start?"

-- "After all, it really is all of humanity that is under threat during a pandemic."

link to full transcript of the statement:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2009/h1n...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:23 PM
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13. Because we very technically, by the definitions of the WHO
are in one already

See here

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/phase/en...

Both Level 5 and Level 6 are the pandemic level

And require member states to take specific actions to try to contain\ mitigate it
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:26 PM
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15. It is a pandemic, just not a very deadly one for now
I thought she sounded very calm and reasoned. No need to panic though, even if msm wants us to
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 12:41 AM
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22. Agreed that she sounded very calm and reasoned. But it did seem
curious that she spoke of pandemic as a current situation rather than a possible/probable one.

The msm isn't offering accurate information, unfortunately. Some of them are still reporting 150+ deaths from this virus in Mexico, when the WHO has confirmed 9-11, yet the media is markedly ignoring this. I don't get it.

We just need to be aware, accurately informed, cautious when, where and if necessary, and practice reasonable caution as warranted. Panic serves no purpose but to possibly lower one's immune system because of the stress/anxiety. Not a very useful course of action, is it?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 12:57 AM
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24. She spoke of it in current situation
because by WHO definitions it is, I gave the link above

Also the media is speaking of probable cases, while WHO is talking of laboratory confirmed cases, which FYI are lower than what mexico is reporting

Confirmados 397 casos de influenza: Ssa
Reporta el secretario de Salud, Jos ngel Crdova Villalobos, que de las personas infectadas 16 personas murieron y el resto, 381, se encuentran vivas

Confirmed, 397 cases of FLU Health and Human Services (secreataria de Salubridad Y Asistencia)

The Secreatary of Health, os ngel Crdova Villalobos, said that of the infected (lab confirmed) people 16 passed, and the rest, 381, are alive,


Comenta la nota Comentarios(4)
REDACCIN
EL UNIVERSAL
CIUDAD DE MXICO VIERNES 01 DE MAYO DE 2009
20:24 El secretario de Salud federal (Ssa), Jos ngel Crdava Villalobos, confirm que existen 397 casos confirmados, de los cuales hay 16 personas fallecidas y el resto, 381, se encuentran vivos.
En conferencia de prensa, Crdova Villalobos confirm tambin que son el DF, Estado de Mxico y San Luis Potos, los zonas donde ms se han reportados los casos de influenza humana (antes llamada influenza porcina)

The Secratary of the Federal Health Department (SSA, he is Sibelius counterpart), os ngel Crdova Villalobos confirmed that there are 397 confirmed cases, of which 16 died and the rest, 381, survived.

In a press conference os ngel Crdova Villalobos confirmed that the DF (Mexico City proper) The State of Mexico and San Luis Potosi, are the highest concentrations of Human New Influence (previously known as swine flu)

http://www.el-universal.com.mx/notas/595267.html

I hope this helps

But essentially you have probable cases and lab confirmed, the latter is the gold standard
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 02:41 AM
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25. Okay, now I'm REALLY confused... so who's numbers are
most accurate? What you've posted, the WHO's numbers, the CDC's numbers and the media's numbers are all different.

I may not have the flu but I'm at risk for a headache on this...

Why would WHO not recognize the confirmed cases from the SSA? Or am I just not understanding this adequately... (sorry)

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:30 PM
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19. I won't call you crazy. You're right. Lots of overreaction. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:22 PM
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10. Ah they are ahem over reacting, yeah that's it
:-)

Having seen the very early warnings I am peachy keen the adults are taking this as seriously as they are
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:26 PM
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16. Likewise.
If they weren't taking it seriously, I'd be panicking.
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