I was threatened again yesterday

[formercia]

They did it by threatening my 8 year old son. They're such cowards that they sent a boy almost twice his age to do it. he's still a minor, thus pretty much untouchable.
They were sending me a message that they may not be able to get to me directly but my son is fair game.
We've turned into a Third World country where the inmates are in charge of the asylum.

I had to keep him home from school today because he's suffering from anxiety. He's borderline autistic and has enough trouble functioning at school as is, but this just pushes him over the edge. I complained before but nothing gets done.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

1. Since you know who did it, just call the fucking cops

[formercia]

3. They won't do anything

I even complained to the FBI a couple of years ago.

They're a bunch of Bush Gang connected Dominionist, Joel's Army types. Their local gur-preacher is a State Senator who likes to push his weight around.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

9. Wait, so this has been going on for years?

Why are they doing this to you?

[formercia]

10. It's Bush Gang revenge.

I screwed with one of Poppy's operations when I worked at CIA. This has been going on for decades.

They can't attack me directly, so they attack my son.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

12. OMFG

[formercia]

18. What is the 'kool-aide' reference?

Are you trying to insinuate that I'm under-medicated?

They already tried that attack. The shrinks say I'm ok.

I do have severe PTSD as a result.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

53. Jack?

Jack Bauer, is that you?

(This is exactly where all the ex operative spooks go to get advice...)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

60. "Kool aid?"

[Marrah_G]

15. I think if they really wanted to mess with you they would have done so by now

[formercia]

16. They have been 'messing' with me for decades.

I've been shot at, poisoned, electrocuted, assaulted. I spent a year and a half in rehab recovering from one of their 'pranks.'

[NorthernSpy]

44. How do you keep surviving all these attempts on your life?

I mean, it really not technically difficult to kill a human. How come these people haven't succeeded in killing you?

[formercia]

51. Just lucky, I guess.

karma.

[MADem]

19. Are you quite sure about that? It couldn't possibly be simply some asshole neighbors?

Maybe a little paranoia working on your part?

Pssst--Poppy is an octegenarian who hasn't been at the CIA for quite awhile. His confirmation hearing was in 1975, before many people here at DU were even BORN. I'm guessing a lot of the operatives who worked for him and had any juice are nearing retirement, if they aren't there already.

Leon Panetta is heading the Agency now. Why don't you just write him a nice little letter and ask for his help if you really think the CIA is after you. Send a copy to your local newspaper, that'll get "everything" out in the open.

[formercia]

27. It's not paranoia.

I've heard your meme many times. I would have taken offense to it at one time, but I've heard it so often, that I just write off such statements as ignorance.

This has been going on for decades. It began when Poppy was VP and in charge of the Central America Program.

I was one of the CIA Officers that worked on the mining of the harbors in Nicaragua program. In January of 1982, I notified my superiors that I felt the program was illegal. Apparently, Poppy took great offense to this.

My quote:
"You people are out of your fucking minds." "When Congress finds out about this, they are going to cut our balls off."

This is what I said to my Division Chief, in front of his whole Division. (OTS/SAD)

[Rebubula]

39. So...

...for 27 years the CIA (an organization that routinely kills people in manners that seem natural or simply disappears them) has been pissed at you for transgressions against them?

Sorry...if this is true (and honestly I doubt it), this (Democratic Underground) is NOT the forum. You should (as another poster mentioned) contact Leon Pannetta's office (he seems an honorable man) and some of your old CIA friends (you should still have at least one friendly contact there) to get everything on the table.

If this is true, I apologize and wish you the best at getting out from under these assholes.

[sufrommich]

62. An ex CIA agent on the internets discussing his past deeds.

No forum is complete without one.

[formercia]

80. And there's always a gang of apologists following close behind

Discrediting the messenger is one of their primary weapons.

[sufrommich]

101. You must have me confused with someone sent to discredit you.

I have been sent to sap and impurify all of your precious bodily fluids.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

106. Don't forget

fluoridation.

.....Are you certain of that, Mandrake?

[MADem]

63. You haven't heard "my" meme. I haven't "memed" you on this issue, ever.

If you have heard a "meme" from me, it's in your imagination. I'll be blunt with you. I think you're suffering from an illness, aspects of which include paranoia.

I am betting that it's entirely treatable. I suggest you see someone.

You know, that program of which you speak has not been "secret" for many, many years--a quarter of a century, now. Barry Goldwater wrote a scorching letter on the topic to Bill Casey some 25 years ago, saying how "pissed off" he was about it. The letter became public almost immediately. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,921667...

A quick google will pull up more information on the topic than any sophmore in college would need to write a cracking good paper on the topic.

To suggest that some old bozos from the CIA are still holding a grudge about it is frankly, beyond absurd. What, are they waving their canes at you in annoyance? I'm quite sure they have bigger fish to fry than worrying about you standing up and telling people on the internet that you disagreed with a program (that was made public) or a course of action that happened EONS ago.

Most leaders welcome that sort of interaction, even if they don't agree with it. All perspectives on an issue usually lead to better decision making.

I urge you to get some help. You don't realize it, but your arguments are just...silly.

Now, it's entirely possible that someone in your neighborhood is being mean to you and your family for other reasons (a barking dog, a messy lawn pulling down property values, who knows?) but I don't think the agita you're getting is coming from a three letter agency operated by the federal government. I just don't.

I think if you get some help, you'll be happier, and so will your family.

[formercia]

72. Bush gang never let go.

Junior destroyed Iraq, in part to 'avenge' his dad.

I still think you're being ignorant and an apologist.

[MADem]

100. Now you're just making things up to suit your personal fantasy-scenario.

Junior is sitting on his ass in Dallas, and probably enjoying the odd beer.

Get some help. For the sake of your child, get some help. A kid deserves to grow up with parents who live in the real world. Life's hard enough as it is.

I'm not being ignorant, or an apologist. If you really think Bush is bullying you, or sending children to beat up your poor kid, write to the FBI. There are laws against that sort of thing. But you know, in your heart, that's not what's happening.

You know it. You know it's "you." Get a grip, and do what you need to do to get better.

Get some help. I'll wager you've been on medications that have worked for you in the past. If you have stopped taking them, start taking them again. Your child shouldn't have to adjust to, and be concerned for, a parent who isn't firing on all cylinders. And your behavior DOES have potential to frighten your child, and make him feel insecure. Don't do it for yourself, do it for your kid--get some help.

[formercia]

114. I already went to the FBI

and filed a complaint.

[Dorian Gray]

87. I'm confused.....

[sarge43]

71. Poppy ran Spook Central from Jan 76 to Jan 77. n/t

[formercia]

74. He also ran it as VP and President.

He was still in charge.

[sarge43]

94. NO?! I didn't know that!

Yeah I know, thanks for the kick. Always happy to help out an attention whore.

Just why have you started this thread? Just what were you expecting? Either you're right or you're seriously paranoid. Either case what are the DU members suppose to do besides give you advice which you reject?

Beside if Poppy is still the Evil Overlord, I should think the last thing you'd want to do is make a stink about him on a very public, well known political forum. "Don't make me angry ..."

[formercia]

98. When all else fails....

Like the Mouse giving the finger to the Eagle as he's about to pounce.

Fear is no longer an option.

[MADem]

93. His confirmation hearings were in 75, though (DEC). They weren't without contention.

The CIA had been overstepping in a major way on the domestic front since the Truman administration (peakng during the Vietnam era), and all of that had been investigated. They got a lot of oversight subsequently as a consequence of their poor behavior.

[NorthernSpy]

34. Formercia, why would the CIA be using schoolkids to pick on your son?

What would that accomplish?

[formercia]

38. It's not the CIA

This is a personal grudge.

I don't think the CIA has anything to do with this.

[NorthernSpy]

49. So it's associates of George W Bush?

How do these people get the kids at school to cooperate with them in carrying out this vendetta?


Because kids are not usually all that cooperative when adults tell them what to do.

[formercia]

52. Actually, kids are easy to manipulate.

The boy is 14-15 years old. He told my son 'they' had a lot of guns and that they were coming after his dad.

[NorthernSpy]

55. Well, what are you going to do about it?

Some people in this thread have suggested contacting Leon Panetta.

[formercia]

58. I called the school

I still have not heard back from the Principal. She is a very competent person and investigated the last incident, but there is a limit to what they can do.

[NorthernSpy]

61. How much have you told your son about the situation?

How is he feeling about all this?

[formercia]

68. He's getting therapy.

It's being dealt with professionally.

[NorthernSpy]

75. That's good.

I believe that everyone needs a support network.

How about you? It sounds like you are experiencing a difficult situation. Any family and friends nearby that you can rely on?

[formercia]

85. They co-opted my family long ago

Destroying my support network was one of their first goals.

One of my sisters committed suicide, in part, for having participated in provocations against me.

[NorthernSpy]

104. I'm very sorry for your loss, Formercia.

I strongly believe a person should not face something like this in isolation.


Do you think there might be some way you could reconnect with your family? Even if they don't understand what you're experiencing, it can still be really helpful just to stay in touch with family and friends.

[JVS]

67. This reminds me of the time TominTib was talking about holding a shotgun to John Warner's chest.

[sufrommich]

70. lol. Seriously? Sorry I missed it. nt

[JVS]

82. It was buried in the thread about using a hi-liter to write Fuck Me on some suits' briefcase

[tammywammy]

119. Not just some suit, someone with a briefcase that said Carlyle on it

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

88. Yeah, that was a good one

[slackmaster]

107. You screwed with a Presidential operation when you worked at the CIA...

...Now you are posting about it on an Internet forum.

Right.

[formercia]

116. I went to the IG

I thought it was an illegal operation. It turned out to be Poppy's baby.

[LaurenG]

2. I must have missed some earlier posts,

but I'm sorry that your son was involved in threats.

[safeinOhio]

4. find a bigger, tougher kid and give him $20 to threaten the other kid

fight fire with fire. No one runs like a bully.

[formercia]

5. That's what they want

They would love to provoke me to violence.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

6. Intimidation is their modus operandi...

I am sorry it has become so personal for you.

The fascists need a sharp stick in the eye.

[izzie]

7. I know how it feels. As a tom boy I came home with black eyes

finally boys started stick up for the little girl who got beat up. When I had children of my own I once went to the head of the school and asked what he thought I could do as my son was beat up by 3 older boys. He just stopped it. So maybe that will help?

[Marrah_G]

8. Who is they? I think I missed the previous posts on this. Please explain.

[formercia]

13. I think this is what set them off:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[MADem]

20. I think you suffer from paranoia. nt

[formercia]

29. I know you're wrong.

but thanks for the kick.

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. This is difficult to decipher.

Some details, please?

[mod mom]

14. Can you move far away?

Not worth risking your, or your son's health.

[formercia]

17. I'm safest in plain sight.

They have too many tentacles to hide from.

[mod mom]

21. I don't know about where you live, but if you lived in a progressive community

that shares your values, you would not be subjected to the type of intimidation of which you speak.

[midnight]

22. Why don't you home school him for awhile. The school

looses money, when they loose a student. Enjoy him and yourself.

[Rebubula]

23. Who threatened you?

Who is threatening you and your son?

Why? What are they hoping to accomplish?

This seems a little strange...

[FedUpWithIt All]

24. Perhaps you could find someone in real life you could talk to about this...for your son's sake.

[Marr]

25. I think you need to speak to a therapist.

I don't mean to be insulting, but you sound paranoid.

I know you believe your own CIA stalking story, so let's put that aside. Think about this for a moment: your post gives no background information at all. You just assume we're all aware of your situation, your emotional state, etc. You assume we're all following this-- all watching and listening.

[bunnies]

28. What you said. Definitely. nt

[Vickers]

26. Was this before or after the black helicopters?

Serious question.

[formercia]

32. Thanks for the kick. .

[KittyWampus]

30. Get some therapy. At the LEAST join a support group for families with Autistic kids

you need support and a chance to catch up.

[dysfunctional press]

31. paranoia- self-destroy-ah...

get yourself some professional help, pronto.(psychological, not mercenary).

[formercia]

33. thanks for the kick...

[dysfunctional press]

36. no problem- i'm sure that lots of people could use the laughs this morning...

it worked for me.

[KittyWampus]

37. It isn't funny and I wish the Mods would lock this thread.

[formercia]

40. Sure, and make it all go away.

how convenient.

[tammywammy]

42. Skinner & Elad are also CIA operatives

I'm not sure about Earl though.

[formercia]

54. Don't be silly.

That's alright. I fight this kind of ignorance all the time.

[tammywammy]

64. I'm sure you do

I'm sure you do.

[dysfunctional press]

69. apparently, the ignorance won this morning's battle and compelled you to post.

better luck tomorrow.

[Dreamer Tatum]

95. Looks like you fight specificity all the time, too

If you're an ex-spook, you MIGHT just be versed in better methods of self-preservation and protection of loved
ones than looking for help on an Internet site.

If you're a competent parent and none of the other stuff is a delusion, you MIGHT just pick up and move.

At the risk of outing myself as a conspirator ( ), I think maybe the best service you can supply to your
child is to get help for yourself.

[dysfunctional press]

43. i find goofy paranoid idiots to be quite amusing...

especially when they take such joy in making their deficiencies so public...

[MADem]

76. I find them sadly pathetic, mostly. Sometimes, when the get very aggressive, they

are a bit annoying. When I remind myself that they're ill, I do feel sympathetic.

Mostly I feel lucky when I see this sort of thing. I'd hate to have to live like that, with voices in the head/paranoid thoughts. I can't imagine what it must be like to wake up every day with that crap to deal with, on top of everyday life.

I know it affects a fair number of people in the world, and I just can't really fathom what it must be like on a personal level. I know some people dislike the way the medicine makes them feel, so they go off it every so often--and that usually causes the problems.

They are deficiencies that these folks are making public, but they're medical ones. We don't have to go along with delusional thinking, or soft-pedal it or pretend that it's normal, when it plainly isn't, but I think urging this poor person to get some help isn't a bad way to go, rather than taking amusement in it. After all, there's a family dealing with this shit, too--that can't be fun for them.

[ScreamingMeemie]

79. Thank you MADem...

Those who find this kind of thing amusing might be in need of a little help themselves.

[MADem]

103. It's sad.

Especially when young children are involved. They deserve a safe environment with parents who are grounded in reality. That kind of upheaval can really affect a youngster, and do lasting emotional damage to the child if the parent doesn't get help.

[myrna minx]

110. Thank you for this. There are people IRL who

try to help loved ones with bi-polar and other issues that don't think things like this are funny at all. It is an illness and it can be heartbreaking.

[PeaceNikki]

35. So you think that a teenager was hired by the CIA to fuck with you?

[formercia]

41. Get real.

I don't think the CIA had anything to do with it.

It's some local crazies connected to Bush Gang.

[dysfunctional press]

45. "get real"...

[PeaceNikki]

48. I know, right?

[michreject]

50. Gang activity is illegal

Will this make the next "Gangland" program? (great show BTW)

[Morrisons Ghost]

46. Are

You related to TominTib? On second thought...I know a guy named Jack Baur who may be of some help to you! Contact me through our normal channels!

[tammywammy]

47. ...

[MadHound]

56. I'm not trying to be rude,

But honestly you sound like you have some serious problems with paranoia and unreasonable fear. Ask yourself this, why in the hell would Bushco, with all the current problems that they have on their plate, go after an anonymous poster on a political chatboard?

Frankly there are many people around here who have said much worse about the Bush gang on this board, who have protested and raised hell, yet we haven't had mysterious strangers come around and threaten out kids, ourselves, our families.

So please, do yourself and your kid a favor, go get a check up with a qualified psychiatrist or psychologist. Your kid has enough problems as is, he doesn't need his parent going off the deep end in response to stressful, but normal situations.

[Habibi]

57. I'm so sorry for the situation you're in.

I wish I had something better than a to offer you and your family.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

59. My advice

Go to the closest mailbox... Leave an X in masking tape on the SW side... wait for my call at the phone which is 22 feet from the mailbox... I will get in touch through a guy named Little Jimmy.

The eagle flies at midnight.

[Freddie Stubbs]

65. Who are "they?"

Why are "they" after you? What message are "they" trying to send to you through your son?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

66. For your child's sake, please seek the real help that you need. Unless you are a

person with a high or influential profile, there is no way on earth, that one post on DU could have set off the "sub-rosa" government after you. Just think of all the money and resources that they would have to devote to this.

Please get counseling and call the principal of your son's school about the bullying.

[formercia]

78. My son is getting therapy.

The CIA doesn't hire crazy people.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

86. I'm glad your son is in therapy. So, you are saying then, that you're in the CIA?

[formercia]

92. I was. Not any longer

I remember going through days of psychological testing and interviews before I was hired.

[Bunny]

73. There's only one man who can help you now:

[meegbear]

77. Paul Krugman?

Save us Paul Krugman! Save us!

[marketcrazy1]

84. I will pray for your safety and

for yours sons..... although this seems incredible to me I will offer what support I can. being only an anonymous poster on a message board all i can offer are my best wishes. I hope you and yours get through this OK..............

[Bunny]

96. Sure. Go ahead and mock Krugman.

But just remember - when you need saved from the CIA, he'll be there for you. He's just that good.

I've been working on my epic Krugman haiku, but I can't get the last line. It goes like this:


Krugman, Paul Krugman
Teh Awesome Nobel Winner
??????????

[meegbear]

99. Hmmmm ...

Krugman, Paul Krugman
Teh Awesome Nobel Winner
Krugman, Paul Krugman

[Bunny]

115. Of course! *smacksforehead*!

Simple, yet perfect.

Now, I'm going to work on my next Krugman haiku. You know, the one where I marry his awesome self and bear his awesome children!

[Odin2005]

81. You're paranoid. It's plain old bullying. I have Asperger's so I know what your kid is going through

But your paranoia is simply traumatizing him.

[Wind Dancer]

83. Have they threatened your son before?

It sounds like you have serious issues but with such little info, it's hard to offer sound advice. If you truly believe your son is in danger, please contact somebody you trust for help. DUer's can't solve this problem.

Good luck!

[L0oniX]

89. Have a lawyer call his parrents and or the school.

[Dappleganger]

90. Keeping him home from school is only feeding your son's anxiety.

YOu are doing him no favors by helping the anxiety grow. I agree with the others, you seem to have fabricated these fears based on your own ideas. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it really does appear that you are creating your own problems.

[MorningGlow]

91. I don't know

Formerica, I don't know what the truth of all this is (but personally I always give everyone the benefit of the doubt--that people are telling the truth until proven otherwise), but I just wanted to let you know that I am horrified that fellow DUers would callously mock you in your time of need--whatever need that may be. Sending you light and hoping things work out for the best for you.

[ecstatic]

97. I just think it's interesting...

If GWB & Co. LIHOP/MIHOP, then is it that much of a stretch to think they might bully ex-CIA agents out of spite?

[Rebubula]

102. Why would they?

If they are so damned evil (and they probably are), why would they just harass some low level employee who irritated someone almost 30 years ago? Why not kill them long ago?

Do you think that some nobody is going to warrant a 27 year campaign of terror for speaking out?

This one, sadly, smells of paranoia.

[ecstatic]

108. I'm inclined to agree with your take on it... but

bullying is NOTHING compared to the things many of us already think they did.

[slackmaster]

105. Who do you suppose "They" are?

Is this some kind of personal grudge situation?

[Dorian Gray]

109. After reading the entire thread

I implore you to get psychological help (if this isn't a wind up or a joke). Your son's well being is the most important thing to consider, and I think you are conflating school yard bullying with some paranoid delusion.

[Octafish]

111. Keep him close.

Let him know you'll do whatever it takes to protect him, my Friend.
Getting the story out is the best way to find real protection for You and Yours and all of us.
The Bush gangsters are more afraid of the truth being know about them, than anything.
And your pals on DU and the web will watch your backs.

PS: To the know-it-alls on the thread above, GFY.

[DS1]

112. ANOTHER Gang Stalkee?

[bicentennial_baby]

117. You read my mind...

[formercia]

113. Bringing out the best and brightest on DU.

Isn't it precious?

[peacetalksforall]

118. They must have a large team covering DU - or they are following all of your keystrokes. You don't

have to answer. We are paying them to do harm to us. Our tax dollars at work.

Sorry about your son. And your family.

Family values mean nothing to the peole who preach family values.

[maddezmom]

120. Locking

This discussion is really not appropriate for DU.