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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:02 PM
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Verschärfte Vernehmung : A reminder what it is and where it came from.
The methods, as you can see above, are indistinguishable from those described as "enhanced interrogation techniques" by the president. As you can see from the Gestapo memo, moreover, the Nazis were adamant that their "enhanced interrogation techniques" would be carefully restricted and controlled, monitored by an elite professional staff, of the kind recommended by Charles Krauthammer, and strictly reserved for certain categories of prisoner. At least, that was the original plan.

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In Norway, we actually have a 1948 court case that weighs whether "enhanced interrogation" using the methods approved by president Bush amounted to torture. The proceedings are fascinating, with specific reference to the hypothermia used in Gitmo, and throughout interrogation centers across the field of conflict. The Nazi defense of the techniques is almost verbatim that of the Bush administration...

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In deciding the degree of punishment, the Court found it decisive that the defendants had inflicted serious physical and mental suffering on their victims, and did not find sufficient reason for a mitigation of the punishment in accordance with the provisions laid down in Art. 5 of the Provisional Decree of 4th May, 1945. The Court came to the conclusion that such acts, even though they were committed with the connivance of superiors in rank or even on their orders, must be regarded and punished as serious war crimes.

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http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/verschfte_verne.html

Fight the darkness. Tell them this must not stand. My father fought the particular country in question in WW II. They are pissing on his grave as they are all who fought that darkness.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:06 PM
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1. Let's Not Be Hasty In Judging Gestapo Torture
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 11:07 PM by MannyGoldstein
It really needs to be examined before we know if they were actual war crimes, even though we have confessions, eyewitnesses, and tons of documents... but our President and Congressional leaders are against examining it, so leave it be.

It's only war crimes, after all.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:11 PM
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3. But it has been judged.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:51 PM
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4. Sadly, They Were Ignoring Important Political Considerations
They should have looked forward, not to the past.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 09:02 AM
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7. That's right. What is there to learn from the past?
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:07 PM
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2. Ach, so........
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 12:09 AM
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5. Seriously, Even Most At DU Can't Figure Out That War Crimes Are Non-Negotiable
I am astonished.

The Democrats in power don't see war crimes as a problem. If even DU-types aren't blowing a fuse on this, then justice won't happen.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 12:33 AM
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6. I intend to make more noise (unfortunately like I have the last few years
since it appears they are deaf on such issues).
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