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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 01:59 AM
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Salon: Torture Planning Began In 2001, Senate Report Reveals
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 02:38 AM by Hissyspit
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/04/22/benjamin

Torture planning began in 2001, Senate report reveals

Bush officials said they only tortured terrorists after they wouldn't talk. New evidence shows they planned torture soon after 9/11 -- and used it to find links between al-Qaida and Saddam.

Editor's note: Download the entire Senate Armed Services Committee report here. Read about how the Bush administration may have pressured interrogators to use torture to extract information linking al-Qaida to Saddam Hussein here. Read about Donald Rumsfeld's role in promoting harsh interrogation techniques here.

By Mark Benjamin

April 22, 2009 | WASHINGTON -- The Senate Armed Services Committee has just released an exhaustive review of torture under the Bush administration that, among other revelations, torpedoes the notion that the administration only chose torture as a last resort. Bush officials have long argued that they turned to coercive interrogations in 2002 only after captured al-Qaida suspects wouldn't talk, but the report shows the administration set the wheels in motion soon after 9/11. The Bush White House began planning for torture in December 2001, set up a program to develop the interrogation techniques by the next month, and the military and the CIA began training interrogators in coercive practices in early 2002, before they had any high-value al-Qaida suspects or any trouble eliciting information from detainees.

As the report puts it, "The fact is that senior officials in the United States government solicited information on how to use aggressive techniques, redefined the law to create the appearance of their legality, and authorized their use against detainees." The report undercuts the Obama administration's case for leniency against the CIA, since the agency was pursuing abusive techniques even before Department of Justice lawyers had issued their supposed legal justification for the techniques in August 2002. The report also shows that the administration appears to have attempted to use the abusive techniques to shore up its case for war in Iraq. Interrogators employed the techniques, which are notorious for producing bad intelligence, to get detainees to make statements linking Iraq and al-Qaida.

To hear former President Bush tell it, you would think the United States only turned to the techniques in desperation. When Bush announced the existence of the CIA's interrogation program in September 2006, for example, he argued that suspected al-Qaida operative Abu Zubaydah stopped cooperating with interrogators after his capture on March 28, 2002, forcing the agency to get rough. "We knew that Zubaydah had more information that could save innocent lives," Bush said. "But he stopped talking. As his questioning proceeded, it became clear that he had received training on how to resist interrogation," the president said. "And so, the CIA used an alternative set of procedures."

Not to worry, the president explained. "The Department of Justice reviewed the authorized methods extensively, and determined them to be lawful."

But that's not how it happened. Staff reporting to Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., pored over 200,000 pages of documents and interviewed more than 70 people. After months going through the declassification process, their report is a stunningly frank tick-tock of the development of torture policy under the Bush administration. The sequence of events shows the early genesis of torture and also exposes repeated, vivid warnings -- falling on deaf ears -- that torture is a clumsy, wrongheaded and ineffective way to gather intelligence.

The report details how abusive interrogations began. "In December 2001," the report says, "the DOD General Counsel's office contacted the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency (JPRA) headquartered at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, for information about detainee 'exploitation.'"

To set up the torture program, the Department of Defense and the CIA reverse engineered something called SERE training, which was conducted by the JPRA. Based on Cold War communist techniques used to force false confessions, in SERE school elite U.S. troops undergo stress positions, isolation, hooding, slapping, sleep deprivation and, until recently, waterboarding to simulate illegal tactics they might face if captured by an enemy who violated the Geneva Conventions.

In either December 2001 or January 2002, two psychologists affiliated with the SERE program, James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen, developed the first written proposal for reverse engineering the training for use on al-Qaida suspects. Their paper made its way to the Joint Staff. (Salon first zeroed in on the pair in a June 2007 article.) The military also then began discussions at that time about using the ideas at Guantánamo.

In early March 2002, Jessen began two-week, "ad-hoc 'crash'" courses for training government interrogators slated for Guantánamo. The courses therefore began before the allegedly uncooperative Zubaydah was ever captured, and Zubaydah was the first allegedly high-level al-Qaida operative in U.S. custody after 9/11.

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Next page: "We were focused on trying to establish a link between al Qaida and Iraq and we were not being successful in establishing a link between al Qaida and Iraq"

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:00 AM
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1. K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:01 AM
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2. The abuse started in NYC and just escalated from there.
God, I hate these people.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:02 AM
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3. Who did we abuse in NYC?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:05 AM
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4. About two thousand people were rounded up after 9/11.
They were HIDDEN from defense attorneys and they were beaten and abused. We know because they found hours and hours of VIDEO TAPE of those sessions.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:10 AM
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7. God, even I had forgotten about that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:12 AM
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8. Imo, we don't know how that abuse turned into a program.
But it sure as hell wasn't Tenet's idea and it wasn't about Iraq.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:16 AM
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10. See this I just posted:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:19 AM
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11. The competing version blaiming Tenet is linked in my #9.
Remember Rumsfeld/Cheney were at war with Tenet. I guess Shane has picked a side.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:25 AM
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12. Smells like a massive "limited hangout" operation, to me.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:29 PM
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20. Thanks for the reminder.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:07 PM
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28. Everyone who was "suspect" was rounded up...
Except for the two bin Laden sons-in-law who were convicted of committing terroristic acts in Jordan - they were put on a plane along with the rest of the bin Laden family and flown to London. The night of 9/11 according the late Pierre Salinger.

People were detained because the Bush administration wanted to know if they knew about the Bush administration complicity in the planning of 9/11 which became pretty obvious after it was revealed Princess Haifa had funnelled money to the hijackers through Riggs Bank.

People in this country appear to be as stupid as the Bushes believe they are. They weren't torturing anyone to protect the American people - they were torturing people to protect themselves.

Saddam Hussein was supposed to be tried for genocide in the deaths of the Kurds. Instead he was executed for genocide in the deaths of Shi'ites during the Iran-Iraq war. He had already been sentenced to death. They worried he might tell of the complicity of the Reagan-Bush administration in the gassing of the Kurds. Dead men tell no tales.

That of course is the motto of the CIA. And of the Bushes.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 08:46 PM
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33. They tortured to keep the people in line, to make us docile.
And we were.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 08:44 PM
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32. Thank you! I can't believe that slipped my mind.
Damn.

At least now we are getting somewhere.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:07 AM
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6. Link below Ashcroft/Chertoff: rounding up of men from "Muslim" countries
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 02:09 AM by Solly Mack
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:05 AM
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5. K&R. Off to The Greatest Page with you...
:toast:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 02:15 AM
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9. Hissyspit: check out this Scott Shane article with its own narrative:
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 02:16 AM by EFerrari
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 06:33 AM
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13. .
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:23 AM
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14. Here's a link to the Senate report
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:28 AM
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36. Note that much of the discussion of RENDITION is redacted.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:26 AM
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15. i remember bush talking ot the press, stating torture would not be covered by geneva convention
i knew then that he was going to torture and claim it was not war against a country but war on terror ergo torture legal. he said it before he ever started it.

that has been the frustrating through all these years
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 09:25 AM
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16. War criminals. knr n/t
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 09:35 AM
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17. Coincidentally, the MCA immunity protections passed in 2006 include protection for acts
between 9/11/2001 and 12/31/2005.

Check out PL 109-366 Section 8
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 09:53 AM
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18. The timing for the release of this and the torture memos is interesting...
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 09:56 AM by Spazito
First the horrific memos are made public after a long court case by the ACLU, next is this report which gives timelines, background and the REAL reasons the Bush admin wanted to torture and, soon, will be the Office of Professional Responsibility report due out in a few weeks regarding the conduct of the DOJ lawyers.

This is a one-two-three punch to the former Bush Administration and it's officials. They get on television to justify, excuse, attempt to politicize any criticism after the torture memos came out but, now, out comes this report by the Senate report which knocks down their arguments so they will have to develop new ones to fight this report and, I suspect, when the OPR report comes out it will knock down those arguments as well.


It really does resemble multi-dimensional chess vs checkers, imo. It is building a case, one piece of evidence at a time, each one more damning than the one before.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 12:20 PM
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19. I thought we already knew this.
:shrug:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 04:07 PM
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21. We did, but it appears the corporate media may finally cover it in detail
We'll see how much of this gets picked up by all the "news" channels and papers.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 04:17 PM
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22. I won't hold my breath.
;-)
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 05:29 PM
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23. These un-elected assholes were there to steal, torture and lie...
and that exactly what they did!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:05 PM
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27. And the corporate media greased the wheels,
starting with the gray Wall Street walker.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 05:39 PM
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24. This is good, but there isn't the will to dig deeper
I'm certain this was in place before 9/11, since everything else in this sordid drama has been proven to be.

Wanna talk chess vs. checkers? The Bush Admin had every facet of this planned before the first Domino fell.
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Sodbuster Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 05:51 PM
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25. Well at least they were not planning to wiretap our phones
before 9/11 because that would mean they lied to us about when they started the warrrentless wiretap program.
Oh wait, that's right they did start that before 9/11. Well as long as it was only two little lies I guess we can let it slide.
Uranium from Niger, Valerie Plame, Pat Tillman you say?
Okay prosecute. Soon
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 06:50 PM
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26. Kick (not in the head) and rec
:kick:
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:13 PM
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29. K & R
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:26 PM
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30. James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen ICK
It's the nincompoop doctors who oversee this crazy stuff that bug me the most, I think, out of all the crap and criminality of the latest Bush Fascist years.
Esp. psychologists. Jimmy and Bruce are more nuts than 99% of the general population.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:28 PM
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31. they tortured people so they could start a war....this is treason
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:24 AM
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34. Why does the tinfoiler in me bet that they'd been planning it long before 9/11
The Patriot Act, many paged tome that it is, came out so quick it was like it had been sitting in the PNAC library for a decade.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:27 AM
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35. Exactly! PNAC ...but 'reasonable' types will vehemently dismiss the notion
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 11:39 AM
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37. because the Patriot Act was written after the OKC bombing
all they had to do is dust it off and tweak it a little. Remember after the OKC bombing the first suspects out of the gate were ME terrorists. Who knew it was the home grown variety. Now if I donned my tinfoil hat, I'd bet some in the government wanted that Iraq war a lot sooner, but couldn't get Clinton on board.
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