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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:48 PM
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Why Cheney Is So Offended By Obama And Dubya Isn't.........
Dubya might have said he was the decider - but it really was Cheney. Cheney is really offended by how Obama is going around the world trying to play clean-up for the last 8 years - because he feels it was his administration and not Dubya's administration. He's personalized it.

Dubya is oblivious. He did what he was told. Signed what they told him to sign. Said what they told him to say (and most of the times screwed that up too).

Cheney was the brains of the operation in the WH - with the help of guys like Rove, Libby, Card, etc. Dubya was just the 'guy out front'. It's the Repug way - put a dummy out as the front man - and we'll run things from behind the scenes. That I think is their strategy with the likes of a Palin.

Dubya isn't taking any of this personally because he doesn't know any better. Nobody is telling him he needs to take this personally. Nobody is telling him what to say or do now. He's fat, dumb and happy just clearing brush in Texas.

Right now Cheney is out there trying to defend himself. I think early on after Obama was elected he took shots at Obama - thinking that if he does this and Obama strikes back or goes after him - it would make Obama look bad. Actually daring Obama or trying to lure him into a controversy - so that if Obama did come down on BushCo or Cheney - Cheney can say that Obama is out to get him because he can't take criticism. Well Obama really didn't take that bait. He gave Cheney enough rope to make Cheney himself look bad.

I can't wait until the finger pointing starts. If Holder does appoint a special prosecutor or if investigations in Congress are initiated - the finger pointing will all start to point up. Dubya might be smarter than we think - because I think that Cheney is beginning to be backed into a corner. Will he - Cheney - bring in Rove? Will he bring in Rumsfeld? Will he bring in Tenet? Rice? Ashcroft? And I'm sure that those that composed these memos will say they did it because they were given that task by those above them.

This is really going to get good and interesting. I'm even thinking that the Repugs will have to get on board for fear that if they don't they will look even worse than they do today. I think we're getting to that point that the Repugs will have to join forces with Obama and the Dems - kind of like - if you can't beat them - join them. They're going to have to say that they believe in the rule of law to have any credibility going forward as a party.

I always thought that in the last years of BushCo - we'd see a group of Repugs go up to the WH and ask for Dubya/Cheney to resign. They didn't. Too scared or too stupid for not doing it then. Now I believe that they will have to get on board or lose all credibility.

Sure - there will be die hard RW'ers, talking heads, apologists, that will still rally around these criminals - but - I don't think they will do so with as much gusto as they done in the past when they BushCo was still in power.

We're in for some real interesting times.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:52 PM
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1. Cheney is offended because he's as guilty as sin.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 07:06 PM
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6. Dumbass is guilty too. He's just too arrogant to understand ...
... where he fits in the Constitution.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 09:59 PM
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16. Plus he is much more passive aggressive.
Edited on Tue Apr-21-09 10:06 PM by glitch
That we haven't heard from him is no indication that he doesn't have something vicious planned.

edit: and that goes for his nasty family too.

edit edit: amazing how much cover people are willing to give Brand Bush.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:46 AM
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25. Why put yourself out there when you have a Cheney? nt
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:53 PM
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2. So true - President Obama is destroying the evil work of that Cheney a**hole nt
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:55 PM
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3. Agree
I also have an admittedly unrealistic pipedream that dubya suddenly realizes just how much of a tool he was and gets pissed off. Like, say, learning that threre were 183 waterboardings of KSM in one month, while he was going out there and saying what they told him to say, that it was used "sparingly." He goes waaaaaiiiitt a minute! and then just blurts out all kinds of stuff about what chyeney was up to. Not gonna happen, but I love the idea anyway.

Yes, interesting times to come. Obama knows how to boil a frog.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 06:55 PM
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4. I think your explanation makes a lot of sense.
Why doesn't Cheney shut up? Why not let others defend him? Maybe the others don't want to and are ultimately *'s people: Rove, Rice, Myers, Gonzo. Cheney looks like the loner out fighting a losing battle. Or maybe that's the way the BFEE always plays it -- sacrifice someone so the game continues and the BFEE spreads like a giant fungus.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 08:26 PM
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10. Wow!!! - Just Watched Philip Zelikow On Rachel's Show And......
it looks like they are starting to come out of the woodwork already. He is saying that he wrote a dissenting torture memo and didn't agree with what they were allowing. He said that someone in the WH ordered that his memo and copies of his memo that were distributed be collected and destroyed. Hmmmmmm....... Obstruction of justice - maybe? I wonder who in the WH ordered that his memo be destroyed? It would really be telling to find that out.

Zelikow was laying the groundwork to give Rice an alibi about the torture approval. He insinuated that she didn't agree with the torture justifications either. I wonder??????

Oh - this is going to get good.

P.S. - Wasn't Zelikow the guy that we criticized here for his work on the 9/11 commission. Didn't we think he was kind of covering things over quickly. Don't look here. No story here. Not relevant to the commission.

Where will this all lead?????

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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 08:52 PM
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11. Darth Cheney
I saw Zelikow also -- that was breathtaking. The future is getting darker for Cheney but we can't let * off the hook. He let it happen by abrogating his responsibilities as POTUS.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 09:49 PM
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14. Little Bush is being protected by Clinton, now...so maybe they've hung Cheney out to dry
along with the rest of them. I wouldn't let Little Bush off so easily. It's all about protecting the Bush "Powers that Be," imho.

But, your post is interesting. K&R.. It will be interesting to see the "scrambling.'
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 10:04 PM
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17. What KoKo says
total agreement. They've got to protect the Bush brand: Bush v.3 "Jeb" coming soon to a theater near us all. Brand Cheney is tossable, Brand Bush not so much.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 07:02 PM
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5. I'm going to go out on a limb here
Cheney is far more devious than Bush. I think Bush sincerely means it when he says that he wishes Obama well and wants him to succeed. I suspect that when Bush met with Obama he was genuinely impressed with him.

Bush had a reputation of being relatively bi-partisan when he was governor of Texas. That changed when Cheney got a hold of him. Bush's shot across the bow to Cheney came when he refused to pardon Scooter Libby. He pretty much told Cheney to STFU about it.

Bush had a lot of faults. He was intellectually lazy and not really interested in doing much with the job. So he let Cheney run the show. I don't think he and Cheney parted ways all that amicably. But I don't think he really wanted to screw up the country. Maybe on some level he knows his presidency was a failure.

It will be interesting to see where Bush goes from here. I honestly don't think Bush is anywhere near as culpable in all these crimes as Cheney is. His sins are those of omission.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 07:10 PM
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8. *'s sin was not taking the job seriously
and allowing ChEEney to nearly destroy our democracy. While ChEEney's were sins of co-mission, * were those of o-mission, as you said. That doesn't absolve * of any guilt. His laziness shows a callous disregard for the nation. He was in a position of trust. He took an oath to uphold the Consititution. And he let the country down by doing nothing and letting ChEEney fill the vacuum.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 07:14 PM
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9. I think that there is a good chance that you're right.
See my post #7.

I think that he knew that the job was too much for him, and I don't expect him to be a high profile ex-President.

I think that he just wants to get as far away from that part of his life as he can.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 10:14 PM
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18. Aw geez


The only difference between Bush and Cheney is simply in how they present themselves in public. Bush puts on a "gee shucks" act, Cheney the "I don't give a shit, fuck you" act. They both, however, think alike, and both are equally guilty.

This is going to be the revisionism that we are going to see in the years to come, as 2001-2008 starts to become simply a memory. The right-wingers are gonna push this line on all of us. "Well gosh, Bush may have made some mistakes but he's a good guy and he meant well." It's bullshit. Bush knew exactly what he was doing. He knew exactly what the consequences of what he did were.

In the first NSC meeting, in 2001, BUSH said "Go find me a way to do this" -- meaning invade Iraq. We hear now that Bush personally ordered at least some of the torture that happened. He ordered the illegal spying on American citizens, and then bragged about it on national TV. He is responsible for the catastrophe that was the response to Katrina. He refused to do anything in August 2001 (and before) about the terrorist threats that were considered important enough to be put into his daily briefing...which led to 3,000 people dying on 9.11.

Bush is not a nice man. He is a mean, vindictive, spiteful little shit who deserves nothing but contempt from us, from this country and the world.

Bush *and* Cheney need to be held accountable. Bush, though, is more responsible. He was in charge. It was his job, his responsibility. The buck stopped with him, period.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 07:32 AM
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24. Well, as Governor of Texas Boo$h had a Democratic Lt. Governor
Edited on Wed Apr-22-09 07:33 AM by peekaloo
whom, by Texas statutes, wields more power in the area of legislation. Bob Bullock is a name you don't hear much but he was the guiding influence behind Dim Son during those years. Bullock also endorsed Boo$h for president but did not live to see the colossal cluster fuck that we see today.

Bu$h has been and always will be a privileged prick.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 07:10 PM
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7. I don't think that W enjoyed being President when it came down to it.
Most Presidents age considerably in office, but W looked completely beaten down by the end.

It would not surprise me if he simply wants to stay away from anything Presidential for awhile, and go back to doing things that a frat boy can do without too much effort and without making much of an impact anywhere but on the pig farm.

I think that the guy's had it.

Eventually, he'll write an "as told to" book, and make a few speeches about it, but I really don't expect to hear too much from him for awhile and then not a whole lot later.

Darth should just shut the *(&%!! up.
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 09:26 PM
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12. Dubya is savoring
Edited on Tue Apr-21-09 09:28 PM by Mopar151
The taste of a fine breakfast burbon. Knowing he was right - it's that amatryptaline stuff that makes you snot-hangin' stupid when you sneak a couple little boosters out of the minibar! Goddamm Dickie.....Ever since he f*&^% up that time, he can't find his war on TV.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 09:33 PM
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13. Cheney hates the idea that people aren't being tortured anymore.
A lot of work was put in to satisfy his sadistic cravings, and Obama threw it all away.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 09:57 PM
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15. K&R for all the forensic theories.
It'll be highly interesting to see how all of this actually shakes out.
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ROFF Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 10:21 PM
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19. Remember
that envelop that Wanker left for President Obama during the inauguration? I wonder if it contained any instructions about Cheney. Like how to handle him or where his skeletons are buried. That envelop has always fascinated me and how it could alter events.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 10:28 PM
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20. I'm not so sure Bush really is all that calm
I think that deep down, he is somewhat tormented by the knowledge that he was an EPIC FAIL. I do think you are correct that Cheney and other were the real power behind the operation, and I think that actually bothered Bush while he was in office. That's why he felt compelled to to state, "I'm the Decider!" He was trying to convince himself as much as he was the press.

But I think Bush also has genuine dissociative disorders, and I think that's part of the reason why he's so oblivious all the time. He really as trouble empathizing with other human beings, hence why he could even wonder "what his beef is" when discussing the Iraqi that threw the shoe at him. Bush is genuinely disconnected from from a part of his humanity that most of us take for granted. That's why he's a lot calmer than Cheney, who is pretty much a raging psychopath.

Still, I think Bush is probably a very troubled man behind the scenes. I don't buy all this, "He's so happy and relaxed" crap that his handlers are trying to put out. His presidency was a failure, and he knows it. That fact that he's able to function at all is due to the fact that he is a genuine sociopath, but even then, I think the damage to his ego and his self esteem has got to be huge. This was a man that sent his whole presidency trying to prove how tough he was. And in the end, he became a bad joke that embarrassed even those most faithful to him. I don't care how disconnected he is, that's got to hurt.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 11:01 PM
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22. I think you made a really fine analysis here. You almost made me feel sorry for
him. Note, that is an ALMOST.
I want him in jail.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-21-09 10:44 PM
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21. I'm looking forward to them begging all their rich friends and poor
koolaid drinkers for money for the attorneys they'll be needing soon. Please.
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Psychic Consortium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-22-09 05:58 AM
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23. You are correct on all counts.
Things will go easier for Bush, but Cheney is in big trouble.
He is angry and scared and that is why he is making so much noise.
He is in charge of a rogue government that is beginning to fall apart. Behind the scenes Obama is backing him into a corner.
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