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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:30 PM
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Newsweek:Sources say Holder seriously considering an outside counsel to investigate Bush officials

http://www.newsweek.com/id/194595

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The real world is never as neat as the imagined one. Political campaigns, like futuristic parables, are a kind of make believe. Running for president, Barack Obama was able to denounce the torture tactics the Bush administration used and to declare, "If crimes have been committed, they should be investigated." But after his election, Obama said he wanted his administration to look forward, not backward. If only it were so simple. Last week Obama—over the CIA's bitter opposition—permitted the release of Justice Department documents spelling out in great detail the enhanced interrogation techniques used by the CIA and permitted by Justice Department lawyers. That decision alone was one of the hardest the new president has had to face, say his aides.

But the Obama administration is not off the hook. Though administration officials declared that CIA interrogators who followed Justice's legal guidance on torture would not be prosecuted, that does not mean the inquiries are over. Senior Justice Department lawyers and other advisers, who declined to be identified discussing a sensitive subject, say Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. is seriously considering appointing an outside counsel to investigate whether CIA interrogators exceeded legal boundaries—and whether Bush administration officials broke the law by giving the CIA permission to torture in the first place. Even if Holder takes a pass, Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is still pushing for a "truth commission." In a democracy, the wheels of justice grind on—and the president, for good reason under the rule of law, does not have the power to stop them.

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After several intense cabinet meetings, Obama appeared to back down and go along with a Panetta proposal to heavily "redact"—black out—all references to specific interrogation techniques, say the administration sources. But this would make the release meaningless, argued others, and Obama began to swing back again. Panetta had one ally, John Brennan, a former agency official who is now Obama's chief counterterrorism adviser. But Adm. Dennis Blair, the national intelligence director, backed a more complete release, and so did Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, a Bush holdover (and former CIA director). In the end, Obama approved the disclosure of the documents, along with a strongly worded statement that agency professionals "who acted reasonably and relied upon legal advice from the Department of Justice" will be held blameless.

"As a practical matter, it's over—nobody is going to get prosecuted," says Robert Bennett, the Washington lawyer whose clients include Jose Rodriguez, the former chief of the CIA's clandestine service, who has been under investigation for his November 2005 decision to destroy 92 videotapes showing the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah. But what if evidence emerges that CIA officials (or contractors, who actually conducted most of the interrogations)went beyond the boundaries that the Justice Department erected? The CIA has consistently denied wrongdoing, but an intriguing footnote to one of the memos says that an internal CIA investigation found that there might have been "unnecessary use of enhanced techniques" against one Qaeda suspect. The memos released last week would be comical if they weren't so tragic about the level of legal hairsplitting. In the case of Abu Zubaydah, the Justice Department lawyer instructed that as long as the CIA did not tell him anything about the insect, and the insect was non-stinging, "the insect's placement in the box would not constitute a threat of severe physical pain or suffering to a reasonable person in his position." Just how a lawyer sitting in his office in Washington, D.C., would know what a "reasonable person in his position" might think is unclear.





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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:31 PM
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1. No prosecutions = No good.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:46 PM
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12. agreed
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:35 PM
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2. Be it Holder, Congress or the Easter Bunny, someone has got to go after
these a-holes who disgraced America with their un-American, immoral and illegal practices.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:38 PM
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5. It would be really nice if Obama listened to the people who elected
him and sought Truth and Justice for the past 8 years. x(

We shouldn't have to wait for justice to slowly grind its way through side channels.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:46 PM
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11. Don't worry..we'll get a show..
They're probably just figuring out who will take the fall. My money is on the CIA.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 10:09 PM
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18. Why would Obama make the CIA take a fall?
They aren't disposable. He needs them, and they have teeth to bite him pretty hard if they think he's going to drop them to the wolves.

Letting the CIA take the fall would basically require that the CIA be dismantled and reorganized after the truth came out. I don't think Obama can't afford all the grief that would cause, or the down-time without a fully active and functional CIA. And, while he could probably handle the backstabbing and retribution they would cause he doesn't seem to be one to invite retribution. He goes out of his way to avoid any path that would get colleagues that mad at him.

He'll compromise his way through this, which means covering up for the CIA and protecting them. So if the CIA takes the fall it won't be because Obama hung them out to dry.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 07:15 AM
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27. CIA dismantled? No.
What I meant was that people in the CIA would take the fall. Similar to Ollie North. My goodness it's not like we don't have a long history of government investigations, cover-ups, and other 'incidents'. As far as Obama going out of his way to avoid getting his colleagues mad at him...if that were the case the memos would never have been released. I don't understand what government it is that people think we have. You'd think after generations of the same entrenched power it all changed on January 21st.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 10:10 PM
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19. Where do you think Holder came from, and who nominated him?
Come on.

And "we shouldn't have to wait for justice..."?!

I've been waiting for 8 years. We're into 88? days of the new presidency. Patience, grasshopper.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 10:23 PM
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20. we shouldn't hav to wait for justice... lynch mobs are so much easier.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:18 AM
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26. "Justice delayed is justice denied"
Martin Luther King was a wise man. Delaying justice is the easiest and most common tactic for denying justice.

Justice now does not mean a lynch mob. It means appointing special prosecutors and turning over documents. It means not stonewalling, and not violating international law by shielding the CIA and the Bush administration.

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doctor jazz Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 10:39 PM
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22. You know what? The practices were definitely immoral but probably not illegal and definitely
not un-American. Unfortunately.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:36 PM
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3. K&R
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rhysothink Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:37 PM
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4. Well Rahm Emmanuel today said No to procecutions on
the Sunday talk show.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:40 PM
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6. Welcome to DU
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 11:20 PM
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24. Welcome!
:hi:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:42 PM
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7. Statute of Limitations Period for Certain Alleged Crimes of Torture:
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/39060prs20090318.html

"...There is Only a Little More than a Year Left in the Statute of Limitations Period for Certain Alleged Crimes of Torture: The federal statutes of limitation are a potential problem in investigating and prosecuting certain torture crimes. Although the general federal statute of limitation for most federal crimes is five years, there is no limitations period when death resulted from the crime, and there is an eight-year period for violations of the federal Anti-Torture Act. The ICRC report and the Justice Department Inspector General report on the FBI's role in interrogations both provide substantial details on the torture and abuse of Abu Zubaydah in the spring and summer of 2002, prior to the issuance of the August 1, 2002 OLC opinions. The eight-year statute of limitation period for Anti-Torture Act charges related to crimes allegedly committed in spring 2002 will expire in spring 2010. As a result, a prosecutor has only a little more than a year from today to bring charges for some important and well-documented alleged torture or abuse incidents..."


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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:44 PM
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9. that's interesting
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:50 PM
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15. Hopefully the DOJ will not let the clock run out on prosecutions n/t
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:51 PM
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17. Indeed.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:43 PM
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8. OHPLEASEOHPLEASEOHPLEASE
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:44 PM
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10. K & R n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:49 PM
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13. Ask Eric Holder to act. (links)
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:49 PM
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14. wish folks discussing this issue would actually read what was
said... thanks for posting.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 09:50 PM
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16. Here we go, just tell us what happened, and it's going to be OK.
So, we just need to know a murder happened to make sure it doesn't happen again, right?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 10:30 PM
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21. I hope they appoint an "outside" council
It's the only way to resolve this.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 10:47 PM
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23. Stringing us along for support. Stringing them along for a drain of influence
I'm not holding my breath
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 11:30 PM
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25. K&R
:kick:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:12 PM
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28. Stop talking about it and DO IT!
Damn it.
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