"You don't have the trial for the arsonist while there are still victims to save in the fire"

[Peacetrain]

Quite frankly my family has quite the flair for language. Talking to my dear old Ma, over the weekend, and her take on why Obama was saying we do not govern from anger. (I am mad as heck at how wall street ran us into the ground with the help of K street and the right wingers)

But age does have a perspective you have to appreciate. Not that Obama will not hold the culprits accountable and rewrite rules that will keep us from falling into this hole again in the immediate future.

But the first course of buisness is to save the victims in the financial "firestorm" we are in the middle of.

So for all of us who are biting at the bit to hold the CEO'S etc, responsible for what has happened, the first order of buisness is to save main street and our jobs and pensions.

Then we can have the "trial" for corruption.

Good advice Mom.. good advice

[havocmom]

1. yo mama

is one smart lady!

[Peacetrain]

2. She really is quite the thoughtful person.

[Gold Metal Flake]

3. Strawman.

If the arsonist is identified while the fire is in process, that arsonist could and probably would be arrested. The next day (or the next Monday if the arrest occurred on a weekend), the arsonist would probably be arraigned and bail would be set.

Simple, really. Now, if the arsonist is known, and yet not arrested, it would be proper for people to ask why.

[Peacetrain]

4. I think you misread the quote.. it is not about the arrest, but the trial

Mom was pointing out an obvious thing to me.. not that we do not hold people accountable, but that first we have to put the fire out.

[FiveGoodMen]

24. "but that first we have to put the fire out"

The guys we're talking about are still running around setting new fires WHILE we try to put the current ones out.

Think we'd better send someone to stop them even as the rest of us try to extinguish what's already burning.

[ejpoeta]

5. usually, unless someone actually sees someone setting a house on fire and then

running away, arson is not determined until after the fire is out. then investigators go in and look for the signs like an accelerant and such. even if they suspect it is arson, they still ahve to investigate the scene before making a determination. sometimes even if they discover it is arson, it takes awhile to figure out who did it. it's not just as simple as on tv. unless someone saw someone doing it, it isn't that simple. and in the case of the financial crisis, it would be more like someone who used some slow burning method that takes awhile to ignite into a full blown fire. i don't remember where it was, but it was an arson investigator who was setting those kinds of fires and it took them years to catch him.

[Gold Metal Flake]

15. Sure, investigations must take place. Investigations take time. No surprise there.

The reality does not quite fit with the oversimplified metaphor offered in the OP. Also, it is way too early in the process to begin offering excuses for the lack of a thorough investigation, unless an eventual whitewash has been predetermined.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. And while that whitewash may not be predetermined,

our experience with such things in the past can lead us to expect it. Hence, the lighting the fire under the vat of oil.

Frankly, none of this would have happened if Clinton had not failed to prosecute the BCCI and Iran/Contra criminals.

[havocmom]

8. Well, if you can multi-task that well, there are openings at US Dept of Treasury

Please sign up. They could use the help. They sorta have their hands full at present.

[Gold Metal Flake]

14. FYI, arrest and trial is kinda the business of the Justice Dept.

Also, Geithner's understaffing has been noted. Perhaps, since you are aware of the problem, you could go on over there and help out. I'll be glad to spot you some gas for your trip.

[havocmom]

19. I'm not the one in a snite that things aren't happening on your time frame

:shrug:

[Gold Metal Flake]

20. A snite?

Is that the new car from India?

[Andy823]

6. K&R

Excellent point, though I am afraid that many here will refuse to see the logic in what you stated! We need Obama to make sure this never happens again, but first we have to get through the mess that the last 8 years put us in. Obama will need to make a lot of changes, and he will need help from all the democrats and some of the republicans. Look at what happened last week in the house. Cantor of all people voted to tax the AIG execs with a "90%" tax! There were other republicans that also voted for this. If Obama can get the same kind of response when it comes time for new regulations and rules on the financial sector, he can make sure this does not happen again! The people are really worked up about all this, not just the democrats, but independents as well as republicans. He an uses this to push through the needed changes, but if he goes after the "arsonist" now, it will just give the republicans ammo to fight him on anything else he ties to do.

I think this is smart politics and it will get results that we really need. When that happens, then it's time to punish the "arsonists" who caused this mess, and I am sure that as we speak there are investigations going on that include all those responsible, but they take time and if we want to make sure those guilty are punished, we need to take our time. To many people want everything done "NOW" and do not realize that politics is like a game of chess and one has to think ahead of the game in order to win! I think Obama is looking ahead so he can "win" the game, not simple capture the queen, but lose in the end.

[Peacetrain]

10. That was what Mom was talking about..

[burythehatchet]

7. As I often say to myself, thank God I don't run the country because we would all be dead by now

[Peacetrain]

13. That is sort of where I am at..

:rofl: heads would be rolling in the streets

[Webster Green]

9. I think the situation calls for multi-tasking..

I don't get the theory that only one thing can happen at a time.

Not holding financial criminals and war-criminals accountable for their crimes sends a very bad message. :wtf:

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. .

:thumbsup:

[Peacetrain]

12. There is nothing there about not holding them accountable.

Again, first you get the economy back on track. Quite frankly people are having a major coronary because the treasury is not fully staffed yet.

Trust me, no one wants those hounds in jail more than me. But first I want a stabilized economy.

[Gold Metal Flake]

16. .

:thumbsup:

[Winterblues]

18. There are things called "Statute of Limitations

The Statute of Limitations for torture is quite short, seven years I believe, and if we want to charge Yoo and others that created those infamous "torture memos" we have to act by the end of March. I do not believe it will happen and they will get away Scot Free. It is far too important to focus on how we are going to save the vulgar rich from themselves..

[nichomachus]

21. No, but you sure as hell slam the cuffs on him

if the arsonist is still on the scene, you don't let him get away.

In fact, I was at a fire one night and while they were still pulling people out of the building, someone noticed a known arsonist in the front row of spectators. He was in cuffs and at the police station before they got the fire out.

No, they didn't have the trial that night -- but they did get the culprit off the street.

[LeftHandPath]

22. The problem is...

the arsonists are starting more fires than we can put out.

And we are lending them the money to buy matches and gasoline.

[sendero]

23. Yes and when you have a fire..

.. you don't pour gasoline on it to stop it.