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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 09:59 AM
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Bad parents vs. bad teachers? Is this another way to pit the less wealthy against one another?
Maybe a lot of us are missing the point here?

As Democrats, don't most of us agree on the importance of our public school teachers?
Doesn't it make us angry to compare the exorbitant money blown on bogus military excursions to the money denied to our public education system?
How many times can Oprah Winfrey air a tearjerker program that exposes the miserable state of some of our poorer schools?
Indeed, our neglected and underfunded schools and teachers are discussed every election.
We Dems vote for candidates who seem to care about this issue.
The desire to improve rather than abandon public education is something that politically identifies us, as far as I've been led to believe.

So, if public education isn't "working" what's the deal?
Is it teachers?
Really?
Teachers are overpaid babysitters and they don't care about their students?
And because they have union-backed job security, they don't have to care?
Teachers are the problem with public education?

As Democrats, don't most of us agree that its getting harder and harder for the average family to just get by?
More and more people are living paycheck to paycheck.
This is why we want health care reform and living wage standards.
We applaud investments in affordable housing, affordable energy alternatives, better public transportation systems and access to the healthy food that for so long only wealthier people have been able to afford.

Until these things are addressed, families will continue to struggle.
In this struggle, many parents do not have the time nor the energy to properly monitor a child's homework much less supplement his or her education.
Are they bad parents?
Do they want to unleash their undisciplined "brats" onto the public school system so they don't have to pay for a babysitter?
Did they selfishly have children that they "can not afford?" WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MEAN TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A CHILD TODAY? The same thing it meant ten years ago? Or thirty years ago when my parents had me?
Show me the parents who want an ignorant, uneducated child.

Show me the parents who scoff at education because they think their children are already perfect, gifted, brilliant, entitled or whatever adjective that has been used on DU this last week to describe the children of such "horrible" parents.

Many teachers justifiably feel unsupported, under appreciated and underpaid.
Many families are so overwhelmed with simply getting by that they can't make education the priority that it should be.

Who is surprised that poorer children are more likely to struggle in school?
Is it because the poorer children were cursed with bad teachers?
Is it because the poorer children were cursed with bad parents?
Maybe its because the poorer children go to poorer schools and have poorer parents who are struggling to get by?
When people say that simply throwing money at poorer schools won't fix the problem, they're partially right.
We need to invest in many other areas that will effect the schools.

Let the Republicans continue to be cynical and put the entire focus on some lazy, permissive parents or on a handful of scandals or mistakes on the part of teachers' unions or on a few inevitable, truly bad teachers.
We shouldn't let ourselves get caught up in this trap of focusing on the exceptions.
A lot of things aren't working out in this country right now. Of course education is suffering right along with them.
In my opinion, while things weren't perfect when he took office, Reagan took a big wrong turn that we still haven't recovered from.

BTW- I am writing this after falling into the trap myself last week. I need to eat my words!

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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:09 AM
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1. >>Is this another way to pit the less wealthy against one another?
Yes. :hi:
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:11 AM
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2. Hi!
I'm from Texas, myself. Love Hightower.

:hi:
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:47 AM
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10. Isn't he the best?
I believe he had the dubious distinction of being the first elected official done dirt by Karl.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:22 AM
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3. bad parents vs bad teachers = false choice. plenty of both, and NOT a cause n effect
relationship necessarily. plenty of kids overcome both bad parents and some bad teachers. however, bad parents are a 24 hour a day thing and a bad teacher is a once in a while event.

Msongs
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:27 AM
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6. Not really
Children are in school for 7-8 hours.

With working parents (most), the child sees the parent in the evening hours for dinner, homework, and activities -- and then it's bed time.



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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:22 AM
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4. A good merit pay proposal only asks teachers to do the best with what they have.
Meaning the proposal would be based upon an individualized growth model, measuring growth in student achievement for the specific student. That's not putting the blame on anyone, nor is it asking teachers to do something they cannot do.

And as far as "Show me the parents who want an ignorant, uneducated child" - there are plenty of them out there. Take a trip outside of your bubble and go to Appalachia, for example. Go to our inner cities. Go to rural America. The "What, do you think you're better than me?" attitude is very prevalent in these areas. Believe it or not, we're not all hyper-competitive parents that get their rocks off by living through their kids.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:12 PM
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11. I stand by that statement. You may think that their actions show that they want their kids to be
stupid, but I don't think that is true.
I didn't mention merit pay and I actually think it is a good idea.

I have no idea what kind of a bubble you think I live in. Not only have I been to the places that you mention, but I have taught in them. I live in the inner city down the street from the most dangerous, problematic high school in the city and do literacy teaching with some of these students.
There is a big difference between "hyper-competitive parents that get their rocks off by living through their kids" and people who WANT ignorant children.

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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:25 AM
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5. teachers have many challenges and one of them is parents who have abdicated parenting
and don't set ground rules and expectations for their kids.
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:28 AM
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7. Exactly!
Great point.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:28 AM
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8. If the parents and teachers have an ADVERSARIAL relationship, the children will suffer.
Edited on Tue Mar-17-09 10:32 AM by TahitiNut
Indeed, children will 'learn' ... to exploit and amplify that adversarial relationship. If, on the other hand, the parents and teachers have a cooperative relationship, the children will benefit. This has been understood from the very early days of the "PTA." As more and more people with a "bad experience" in school have children, those relationships will continue to deteriorate.

I have to wonder: Are there ANY courses in the School of Education that equip teachers to build a collaborative and cooperative relationship with parents?

I'd personally like to see an Adult Education program that serves parents in best guiding their chilren through public education. It'd be nice if we were in a position to realistically require it.


Since my teaching experience was in a Catholic Boys High School, I didn't have such a problem. The parents were PAYING to have their little princes in my class. Parent conferences were NEVER about condemning me for unfair grading ...and ALWAYS about how to increase the benefit their kids got. I was spoiled, obviously.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 10:40 AM
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9. K&R
Yes, it is class warfare.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-17-09 03:19 PM
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12. especially since the disdain of academics seem to stem from politicians
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