For the First Time in 7 years, Democrats and Republicans may see eye-to-eye... on Impeachment

[berni_mccoy]

It may be for completely different reasons, but I believe we may be reaching a bi-partisan agreement on Impeachment. The Bush Administration is fast becoming a liability to the party and to Republican politicians seeking re-election or office for the first time. I've seen many on the Democratic side wish to keep the Bush Administration for just that reason: he's a political albatross around the Republic Party's neck. But I think that most Democratic politicians are realizing that getting these criminals out of office is far more important than any political capital we could gain from it. And I believe it is the morally correct action to take. Republicans may not believe that or recognize that but they do recognize one thing: they lost Congress and many state positions because of The Bush Administration. If it happens to agree with their conscience, then it is convenient for them. Members of the Republic party have proven that politics is more important to them than morals, but in the present environment, politics and morals are headed for a collision course. And in the center of that impending implosion is Impeachment of the Bush Administration. When long-time friends of the Bush family like the Saudi Royal Family are now distancing themselves from the Bush Admin, you can only wonder what's happening internally. We will either see mass resignations before 2008 or we will see Impeachment. At this point, it is too late for the Bush Administration to recover. They are considered, from both sides of the political spectrum, damaged goods.

[WiseButAngrySara]

1. I so hope you're right, as this administration never rightfully

held office in the first place. What is this about the Saudis distancing themselves though?

[berni_mccoy]

2. See Here: Bush's Royal Trouble ===>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x521737

[WiseButAngrySara]

10. Interesting. Thanks berni_mccoy! ....n/t

[pocoloco]

3. Works for me unless it just

cut out the middle man!

Cam we get a two-fer?

[elocs]

4. Wishful thinking and generalitites are easy.

Exactly how many eyes-to-eyes are we talking about here? A lot of Democrats and a few Republicans?
Better have more than 17 Republicans to vote for conviction in the Senate, otherwise Bush gets impeached and then the Senate fails to convict. Apparently there are still many who seem to think that impeachment alone is the be-all and end-all to everything.

[berni_mccoy]

5. Sure, if you want to call the truth wishful thinking...

That's up to you. But if no one makes the case for it, then we certainly aren't going to be standing up for what is morally correct.

It's like criticizing someone for buying a lottery ticket and then complaining about it when they win...you can't win if you don't play, so don't complain if you aren't going to buy a ticket.

[elocs]

9. I am just asking how many eyes-to-eyes we are talking about here.

Just because it is raining does not mean it is time to build an ark. Just because you really, really want something to happen does not mean it will without some hard evidence. Otherwise it is just wishful thinking. Impeachment without conviction may be a moral victory, but that is all and Bush will serve out his term. I am not saying not to make a case--just don't mistake a few Republicans talking about impeachment as a groundswell or avalanche of support for impeachment.

[berni_mccoy]

11. You are right, in the end, the votes in the Senate do matter

Knowing how many we have *is* important, but before then, we must keep pushing this issue through open debate and discussion. If enough Republicans hear it over and over again, and they realize that what matters to them is in jeapordy, they will act accordingly. I am only beginning to hear Republicans say that the Bush Admin has become a *serious* political liability to them. Their only hope for 2008 is that Hillary wins the primary and they destroy her character from within our party by planting seeds of doubt about her political orientation. That is their strategy. They are already playing it. They know their candidates don't stand a chance of winning, they feel they must create a candidate for the Dems they can destroy. And if they believe they can regain the Presidency and seats in Congress through Impeachment, they will do it. But we must keep it in the discussion and must keep hammering to make it happen.

[NanceGreggs]

6. Well said, berni_mccoy!

And I think you're right.

The Republicans in office just LOVED their Idiot when they thought the country was behind him. Even his fading approval numbers didn't phase them -- they assumed the voters would be turned around pre-November elections by the same old talking points: we're strong on national security, we will win in Iraq, blah, blah, blah.

The mid-terms were a rude awakening, and with all the crapola coming out about this administration now, they realize that EVERY crime, every incident of corruption, every obfuscation, every lie is linked in the citizenry's mind with THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

People who think that those running for election or re-election in the next cycle will fall on their swords for this administration aren't seeing the obvious: that these Republicans are politicians first, last and always -- and they will NOT go down with the ship.

It's now every man for himself, and loyalty to BushCo is yesterday's news. Tomorrow's MO is kicking Georgie off the lifeboat, and putting as much distance as you can between him and the Party.

[Jack Rabbit]

7. If I were a Republican

I would rather thake my chances running against the 18-month (or so) record of President Pelosi than having to defend the record of Busn and Cheney.

[The Count]

8. Saw Newtie talking of the tragedy - his beef is that * didn't leave Iraq in June 2003

He seemed embarrassed by it all....and that's something! (Newt don't embarrass easy)

[pat_k]

12. If Dems don't act soon, Repubs will take the mantle of . . .

. . .the Party of the Constitution by leading the charge to impeach Bush and Cheney to protect the Constitition. And the Demorcratic leadership will be left sputtering, with jaws dropped as they lose the WH and see their control of Congress go Poof!

One way or the other, you are absolutely on target to point out the speed with which Republicans in Congress are scrambling over each other to get away with Bush.

If the Democrats have the morality, courage, and political savvy to move on impeachment right now, they may never find out if their self-defeating prophesy of "not enough votes to convict in the Senate" comes true. Republican Senators are likely to do everything in their power to force Bush and Cheney to resign. They will not be happy campers if Bush and Cheney refuse and force the Senators choose between:

• putting Pelosi in the executive office or
• going on the record in favor of torture, spying, abuse of power to steal elections, or abuse of signing statements to nullify laws (like McCain's anti-torture amendment, which passed 90-9), or whichever high crime against our constitutional democracy the House votes out.

[Pathwalker]

13. On The View this am, the audience cheered loudly when

Rosie asked what do you have to do in this country to get impeachment going. Ha - loved it! And they answered loudly YES! when Rosie asked Elizabot if she believed that the Bushies lied this nation into war with Iraq. Of course, Elizabot is still a kool-aid drinker, but Rosie was on FIRE today. She managed to bring up the 4 corpoations that own American media, building 7 on 9/11, "chery picking the intelligence", etc. - all during a discussion on the British sailors. God, I love Rosie - she's speaking truth to power - no wonder Scar is so afraid of her.

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