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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:56 PM
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U.S. Army Soldiers Deployed on the Streets of Samson, Alabama
I was reading this Reuters piece about a mass shooting in Alabama when I noticed these photos:



Im waiting for a response from the Public Affairs Office at Fort Rucker. Ill post it below if it ever comes:

Subject: Fort Rucker Soldiers Deployed in Alabama
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:30:29 +1300
From: Kevin F
To: ruck.atzq-pao@conus.army.mil

To Whom it May Concern,

My name is Kevin Flaherty. I am the editor of a news and analysis
website called Cryptogon.

I saw Reuters photos of Fort Rucker soldiers deployed on the streets of
Samson, Alabama in the wake of a mass shooting there on 10 March 2009.

See:

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/articleslideshow?a...

U.S. Army soldiers from Ft. Rucker patrol the downtown area of Samson,
Alabama after a shooting spree March 10, 2009.

REUTERS/Mark Wallheiser

and

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/articleslideshow?a...

U.S. Army soldiers from Ft. Ruker guard a home with five bodies inside
as investigators search for clues in Samson, Alabama, March 11, 2009.

REUTERS/Mark Wallheiser

More here:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=7433
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:01 PM
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1. posse comitatus?
i assume that's what you're pointing out.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:28 PM
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2. Fuckin' posse comitatus done bit de dust
:P
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:36 PM
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3. How do we know they're actually U.S. Army?
They are very clearly wearing "POLICE" vests.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:40 PM
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5. Probably MPs
They are wearing correct army uniform, including barrets.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:51 PM
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8. The photo is captioned that way.
They say "soldiers from Fort Rucker." :shrug:
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 06:55 PM
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16. Army Military Police and Air Force Security Forces
also wear "Police" vests in circumstances like this.

These are very definitely soldiers.
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NeoGreen Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:38 PM
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4. 1st Rec
This should be on the "Greatest" page asap.
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greenkal Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:48 PM
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6. WTF is wrong with Obama doing this?
Why are you being critical of him?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:50 PM
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7. Are you kidding?
I can't tell if this is a joke or not. I hope it is.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:54 PM
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9. What Leads you to the conclusion that Obama Did This?
I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, but in this case - and we're talking about a one-traffic light town in rural Alabama with (I'm betting) a police force of half a dozen at most - it would appear that they're being used to secure crime scenes.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:03 PM
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11. Obama as commander in chief is responsible. We do not want our president, any president
using Army troops in the US. Posse comitatus act of 1878 is a very important safe guard against dictatorships.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:04 PM
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13. Nothing I've read so far leads me to believe Obama was consulted
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-14-09 10:03 AM
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24. I doubt he was. My point is that he is responsible. He either condones the actions or should work to
Edited on Sat Mar-14-09 10:03 AM by rhett o rick
stop the actions. Bring back posse comitatus a foundation of democracy.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:00 PM
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10. Do you know why we have (or had) posse comitatus? If not, look it up. nm
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 06:59 PM
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17. Two things...
1. You don't seriously think the President of the United States was involved in this decision, do you? Seriously?

2. It's irrelevant who did it. If these are regular troops instead of guardsmen, it is very possibly a violation of Posse Commitatus. No one gets to do that 'just because.' The Rule of Law - it applies to everyone.
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tangent90 Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:01 PM
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19. Aren't you the uh, person who wants the cops to go into everyone's house and look
for guns & stuff?


foad
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:03 PM
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12. Don't really get why everyone is so up in arms about this. Couldn't these men be
National Guard troops, deployed by the Governor as a gunman was running around shooting people?

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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:01 PM
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20. It's possible
but if the captions are correct, unlikely - Fort Rucker is a regular US Army post, not an Alabama National Guard post. There may be an NG armory there, but more likely than not Fort Rucker = regular Army troops.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:05 PM
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14. Maybe they are broke as hell and don't have enough police.
nt
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:06 PM
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15. This is Rural Alabama
I don't know if they're broke...but a comment in one of the articles from a person who lives in one of the small towns where this took place said they have a police force of two.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:02 PM
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21. That's what State and country Police forces are for then.
I can't believe how many people are making excuses for this continued travest. Posse Comitatus is one our most sacred ideals as a country. To me anyway. Call me a crazy lefty I guess.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:00 PM
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18. Fuck this shit, I guess I'd be gunned down
Because I'd be hard pressed not to floor it. I don't recognize the authority of a U.S. Soldier over me. These are illegal orders no matter who the fucking President is.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:05 PM
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22. Ya.. I saw that. But you gotta remember a small military town...
With Ft Rucker nearby.... its a big influence. The lines are going to be blurred. I wouldn't be too worried about this particular case. If I saw tanks deployed and long term MP Access control.. I would worry. I do agree that under Bush, the Posse Comitatus was DESTROYED!

Obama is reversing 8 years of Bush oppression.. it's going to take a while.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 07:24 PM
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23. Interesting, in view of this story from December:
US Military to conduct civil reconnaissance in 5 eastern North Carolina counties, Jan 2009, December 26, 2008


Posse comitatus. It was good while it lasted.




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