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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:01 AM
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Larry Kudlow is worse, Charlie Gasparino is worse, Joe Kernen is worse, Erin Burnett is worse

I don't get why Stewart picked Cramer for his target, except maybe that Cramer was the only one who took the earlier bait and fired back.

I mean the actual target was CNBC, and perhaps more generally cable tv financial talking heads (and their producers and bosses). And quite deservedly so.

However, there are much more justified targets at CNBC imo, such as Larry Kudlow with his unalloyed booster propaganda, or Charlie Gasparino who takes every day as an opportunity to bash taxes on the rich. Not to mention several others there whose analysis/reporting is totally devoted to pushing the robber baron agenda.

Cramer on the other hand is frequently out of step with that and will say so, or if others get all starry-eyed generally he will shoot that down and specify where and how to be starry-eyed and where to be cold-eyed. Sure, he's wrong sometimes about how the future turns out. Sure, he gets punked sometimes by sources he should have treated more skeptically. Those are simply occupational hazards, and when he fucks up he certainly deserves criticism. But I've never felt he was deliberately trying to deceive or mislead. Kudlow and Gasparino deceive and mislead every week-day and sometimes on week-ends.

However, I think the worst short-coming of TDSWJS was using that 2006 interview to gig Cramer when it has virtually nothing to do with the current unpleasantness. Yes, it put Cramer in a bad light talking about a sort of stock manipulation that might or might not have taken place years before the 06 interview. For TDSWJS writers/Stewart to say that one could draw a straight line from the 06 interview to Hank Paulson kneeling before Nancy Pelosi is patently ludicrous. The Great Wipeout had nothing to do with manipulating stock prices, unless one is counting the rating agencies and the SEC and the Fed as stock manipulators.

Maybe they picked on Cramer because he could be a good sport about it, as he appears to have been. Their expose and critique of CNBC and financial reporting is right on and welcome. I've watched a fair amount of CNBC over the years and I imagine that I yell at their inane, self-serving jabber as much as anyone. I seldom watch much of Cramer's show because I don't like it that much with all the noise. I like him better when he's a guest somewhere injecting occasional reality into the typical boost-fest.

I'm just saying that there are CNBCers who fit the Daily Show portrayal of mendacity much better than Jim Cramer. That's all.

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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:06 AM
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1. Stewart said as much. IT IS NOT ABOUT KRAMER. nt
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:19 AM
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5. It's not about Cramer, but every clip Jon played was of Cramer, you know?

And that has to be a record number of clips played to a guest on TDSWJS, by a long shot.

So only what we saw and heard was about Cramer and we were free to daydream about other aspects I guess.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:21 AM
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9. Cramer was the guest
should he have played other peoples clips for Cramer to comment on? Come on.

In the original show that set all this off, he played Burnett, Kudlow and all the others.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:35 AM
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14. Stewart played other cnbc clips in the days leading up to last night's show.
The whole thing started with the santelli rant and his failure to live up to his commitment to appear on Jon's show. It snowballed from there, and Jon started including clips of Cramer and other cnbc "reporters" interviewing white collar criminals.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:07 AM
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2. Stewart Didn't Pick Him, Cramer Was Too Stupid To Keep His Big Mouth Shut
n/t
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:32 AM
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12. Right. Cramer went did a media tour denouncing Obama as the cause
of Wall St's woes, taking no blame for himself or his network. He put the bullseye on his own back.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:47 PM
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26. Exactly! Santelli's manufactured tirade against homeowners & the media
hyping that tirade got Jon's dander up.

CNBC is just one big giant commercial, and Jon called them on it! Cramer's ego tried to disregard Stewart as only a comedian with a little TV show.

Instead Cramer opened the door and found a smart and gutsy American willing to call his bluff & CNBC out as the Wall Street shills that they are. Jon's audience is huge, and his audience is intelligent - dumb or ignorant people don't watch Jon - his comedy is way above their heads - Cramer didn't anticipate that.

I'm hoping CNBC gets an over-haul. The shout-fest over at 'Crossfire' got canceled after Jon called them out as partisan pundits.

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 01:32 PM
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28. DING DING DING! DMR, you're our grand prize winner!
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 01:33 PM by rocktivity
...Cramer's ego tried to disregard Stewart as only a comedian with a little TV show...

in the exact same way that Michael Steele tried to disregard Rush as just an entertainer with a little radio show! Which has me wondering if Cramer been in a coma for the past few weeks...

:headbang:
rocktivty
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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:07 AM
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3. Kudlow is much worse. But Cramer went out and attacked Jon Stewart.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:11 AM
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4. If you haven't been watching TDS, then your OP would be correct
but if you had been watching TDS you would know he had already gone after all of the above. Cramer was the only one dumb/ballsy enough to respond.

Shit you even sorta answered your own question in the first sentence of the OP.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:19 AM
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6. Except for Krudlow, Melissa and Michelle are much worse, but leave my Erin
alone although her RW slip has been showing much more since junior's reign ended. :P
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:19 AM
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7. Except for Krudlow, Melissa and Michelle are much worse, but leave my Erin
alone although her RW slip has been showing much more since junior's reign ended. :P
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Lost in CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:33 AM
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13. I second that leave my Erin alone....
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:01 PM
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17. Simply stunning if the photo is for real
:P
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:04 PM
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18. heh--not n/t
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:20 AM
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8. sigh. . because THEY didn't take the bait. .
Did you not watch.. It was "the schmutz on the lapel" that Cramer responded to... THAT'S what made it him and not those other guys....
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:28 AM
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10. I think the worst is wall st. succubus Maria Bartiromo
Her financial reporting has always sucked ass (CEO ass), but her efforts to help sell Sarah Palin made me repaint the living room with the contents of my stomach.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:26 PM
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23. It embarrasses me to watch how far in she is
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 12:29 PM by rocktivity
over her pretty little Sophia Loren-like head.



:headbang:
rocktivity
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:34 PM
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32. Yep, Wall Street Pinup Whore (n/t)
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:30 AM
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11. Thank you.
And Cramer didn't respond very forcefully because he feels BAD about the situation and I'm sure he wonders what he could have done to fix things.

This is not what he wanted for his viewers.

If Jon Stewart wanted someone to fight back, he should have picked a moron like that Dennis Kneale or Charlie Gasparino.

I would be interested to see how Dylan Rattigan would have responded. He is one of my faves.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:46 AM
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15. Cramer will do a mia culpa tour to remake his image....IMO
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:51 AM
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16. I can see that happening.
I bet he will see an uptick in ratings today. I know I'm going to tune in.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:34 PM
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25. Actually, I think that in the
long run, Cramer saved his ass and his career by doing this show. Right now everyone is enraged ( as in Pitchforks and Torches R Us). Cramer goes on and eats a big pile of shit, promises to be more watchful in the future, and then on his show promises to let us know where all of the aristocrats are hiding out so long as we don't cut his head off.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:13 PM
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20. Kneale is a junior Kudlow.
The two of them are just so horrible.

Of the CNBC bunch, I think Joe Pisani is the only one with any heart.
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:07 PM
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19. Cramer had the courage to show up! and take his licks..
...I have more respect for him now than a few days ago. Jon should reload and take a few shots at the guys you point out and that Santelli a-hole.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:16 PM
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21. It was the other way around--Cramer picked on Stewart
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 12:39 PM by rocktivity
by accusing him of playing video which said he recommended buying Bear Stearns stock. Actually, the video in question showed him answering a letter from a viewer by recommending that he hold on to his Bears Stearns stock. In the face of the evidence, Rick Santelli was smart enough to beat a strategic retreat by canceling his TDS appearance. Sure, Jon picked on HIM as a result, but it amounted to a slap on the wrist compared to what he dealt to Cramer!

:headbang:
rocktivity
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:22 PM
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22. Now Do You Understand Why it Was Cramer
I won't repeat what others have posted as to why Cramer was sitting in that chair vs the other corporate propagandists on CNBC.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:31 PM
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24. cause cramer is the class clown
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:51 PM
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27. But Cramer is the loudest, he's like Crazy Eddie and yes he is insane.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 01:52 PM
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29. When you're breaking out of prison don't draw the lights from the guard towers...
Cramer did JUST that by drawing attention to himself and defending CNBC's "honor".

He should have kept his mouth shut and it would have been about the guy who ran his mouth on the exchange floor instead.

Doug D.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:57 PM
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30. "Defending CNBC's honor?"
Help--I've been plagiarized!

:rofl:
rocktivity
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:01 PM
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31. TV is a bickering contest, tension is created for your entertainment
CNBC is loving the publicity, any news is good news for TV whores.
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