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Full-Spectrum Penetration: Israeli Spying in the United States
Edited on Thu Mar-12-09 05:14 PM by Truth2Tell
Note to mods: Clearly this is not an "I/P" post, as it refers to activities inside the US and does not involve the "P." Thanks in advance for not moving it.

CounterPunch today includes a useful roundup of Israeli spying activities in the US. This is particularly relevant given the recent capitulation of the Obama administration to the powerful right-wing Israel Lobby regarding the appointment of Chaz Freeman as DNI. Check it out:

March 12 , 2009
By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM

Scratch a counterintelligence officer in the U.S. government and they'll tell you that Israel is not a friend to the United States.
This is because Israel runs one of the most aggressive and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S..

The fact of Israeli penetration into the country is not a subject oft-discussed in the media or in the circles of governance, due to the extreme sensitivity of the U.S.-Israel relationship coupled with the burden of the Israel lobby, which punishes legislators who dare to criticize the Jewish state. The void where the facts should sit is filled instead with the hallucinations of conspiracy theory -- the kind in which, for example, agents of the Mossad, Israel’s top intelligence agency, engineer the 9/11 attacks, while 4,000 Israelis in the Twin Towers somehow all get word to escape before the planes hit. The effect, as disturbing as it is ironic, is that the less the truth is addressed, the more noxious the falsity that spreads.

Israel's spying on the U.S., however, is a matter of public record, and neither conspiracy nor theory is needed to present the evidence...

-snip

...Armed with digital technology and handed vast new funding and an almost limitless mandate in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, Bamford writes, the NSA has today "become the largest, most costly, and most technologically sophisticated spy organization the world has ever known." The NSA touches on every facet of U.S. communications, its mega-computers secretly filtering "millions of phone calls and e-mails" every hour of operation. For those who have followed the revelations of the NSA’s "warrantless wiretapping" program in the New York Times in 2005 and the Wall Street Journal last year, what Bamford unveils in "The Shadow Factory" is only confirmation of the worst fears: "There is now the capacity," he writes of the NSA’s tentacular reach into the private lives of Americans, "to make tyranny total."

Much less has been reported about the high-tech Israeli wiretapping firms that service U.S. telecommunications companies, primarily AT&T and Verizon, whose networks serve as the chief conduits for NSA surveillance. Even less is known about the links between those Israeli companies and the Israeli intelligence services. But what Bamford suggests in his book accords with the history of Israeli spying in the U.S.: Through joint partnerships with U.S. telecoms, Israel may be a shadow arm of surveillance among the tentacles of the NSA. In other words, when the NSA violates constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure to vacuum up the contents of your telephone conversations and e-mail traffic, the Israeli intelligence services may be gathering it up too -- a kind of mirror tap that is effectively a two-government-in-one violation.

Great thorough review of Israeli spying activities in full article here...


The above reference to "Bamford" regards James Bamford and his latest book The Shadow Factory. Here's an explanation from a CounterCurrents review focusing on the Israeli spying angle:

05 November, 2008
By Ali Abunimah

In his new book, The Shadow Factory: The Ultra-Secret NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America author James Bamford casts light on this effort, including a detailed account of how spying on American citizens has been outsourced to several companies closely linked to Israel's intelligence services.

-snip

What is less well-known is that AT&T and Verizon handed "the bugging of their entire networks -- carrying billions of American communications every day" to two companies founded in Israel. Verint and Narus, as they are called, are "superintrusive -- conducting mass surveillance on both international and domestic communications 24/7," and sifting traffic at "key Internet gateways" around the US.

Virtually all US voice and data communications and much from the rest of the world can be remotely accessed by these companies in Israel, which Bamford describes as "the eavesdropping capital of the world." Although there is no way to prove cooperation, Bamford writes that "the greatest potential beneficiaries of this marriage between the Israeli eavesdroppers and America's increasingly centralized telecom grid are Israel's intelligence agencies."

Israel's spy agencies have long had a revolving-door relationship with Verint and Narus and other Israeli military-security firms. The relationship is particularly close between the firms and Israel's own version of the NSA, called "Unit 8200." After the 11 September attacks, Israeli companies seeking a share of massively expanded US intelligence budgets formed similarly incestuous relationships with some in the American intelligence establishment: Ken Minihan, a former director of the NSA, served on Verint's "security committee" and the former Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) official responsible for liaison with the telecom industry became head of the Verint unit that sold eavesdropping equipment to the FBI and NSA.

Complete review here...


Even The Forward has addressed Bamford's work:

October 23, 2008
By Marc Perelman

A bestselling author writing about America’s most secretive intelligence agency is raising eyebrows with his claims that Israeli intelligence has potentially gained access to sensitive American communications information.

Bamford has written about the NSA, which conducts a wide array of electronic-surveillance activities, over the last quarter century. While some of the revelations in his latest book – NSA’s failure to act upon crucial information that could have prevented the 9/11 attacks and the abuses of the eavesdropping program – have received praise in the mainstream press, his Israel-related claims have been ignored by most and criticized by a few.

Whole thing here...


Of course most of this has been known for many years, just buried by our mainstream media. FOX news actually let the cat out of the bag about a month after 9-11 with a famous four part series by Carl Cameron on these matters. FOX almost immediately purged all record of their report and has since refused to comment. For the record, I'll conclude my post with a down-loadable AVI of that report:

Rabbit Hole



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   My, my, what a busy day the anti-Israel lobby at DU is having.  aquart   Mar-12-09 04:42 PM   #1 
   "The anti-Israel lobby"  marmar   Mar-12-09 04:44 PM   #2 
   because the poster thinks by accusing every one of being Jew haters...  notadmblnd   Mar-12-09 04:48 PM   #6 
   That's what I suspected......The intent of the accusations is just to get the post moved or deleted.  marmar   Mar-12-09 04:49 PM   #8 
   bingo  Howardx   Mar-12-09 04:52 PM   #12 
   Hey, you're not one of those Israeli Absorption Ministry flacks, are you?  bushmeister0   Mar-12-09 04:54 PM   # 
   Yup. But I resent the insinuations. nt  babylonsister   Mar-12-09 04:59 PM   #18 
   Poster is on the job  sixmile   Mar-12-09 04:50 PM   #10 
   Business is Business.  theoldman   Mar-12-09 04:47 PM   #4 
   plus one, except  imdjh   Mar-12-09 04:59 PM   #19 
   Was it me.. Cause I swear, I've said those exact same words  notadmblnd   Mar-12-09 10:45 PM   #29 
   But then again we should not trust our friends either...  movonne   Mar-12-09 05:33 PM   #20 
   Yes but Israel ranks as one of the top three CI threat to the US  14thColony   Mar-12-09 07:51 PM   #25 
   well said, Sometimes reason does surface in these threads.  Thothmes   Mar-12-09 08:44 PM   #26 
   How can it be a bad thing to lobby against a country which is at war with your own?  BuyingThyme   Mar-12-09 04:50 PM   #9 
   I'ts not a bad think but there should be two sides to a debate...  movonne   Mar-12-09 05:36 PM   #21 
   Yup. Now all we need is unrestricted and unchallenged access and funding!  Chulanowa   Mar-12-09 04:54 PM   #13 
   It's people like you who cause anti-Semitism.  Leftist Agitator   Mar-12-09 05:42 PM   #22 
   I'm pretty sure that every government that has bought the software  notadmblnd   Mar-12-09 04:47 PM   #3 
   Why is it so nearly impossible to have a real conversation about  annabanana   Mar-12-09 04:48 PM   #5 
   those people should be weeded out  fascisthunter   Mar-12-09 04:54 PM   #15 
   I've sent a few.......it's ridiculous that discussions of an important issue keep getting derailed..  marmar   Mar-12-09 04:56 PM   #17 
   the mods are afraid of the accusations too  Howardx   Mar-12-09 06:20 PM   #24 
   It is an absolute shame. That group should should be tombstoned, instead they are coddled.  burythehatchet   Mar-12-09 08:47 PM   #27 
   kcik  BuyingThyme   Mar-12-09 04:48 PM   #7 
   Enough is Enough  fascisthunter   Mar-12-09 04:51 PM   #11 
   It's fucking crazy.  BuyingThyme   Mar-12-09 04:54 PM   #16 
   More information:  seafan   Mar-12-09 04:54 PM   #14 
   So how much money does the US give Israel  Larry Ogg   Mar-12-09 05:53 PM   #23 
   k&r -- Thank you. This is information every clear thinking person should know about. (nt)  scarletwoman   Mar-12-09 08:59 PM   #28 
   locking  maddezmomDU Moderator   Mar-12-09 11:03 PM   #30 
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 04:42 PM
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1. My, my, what a busy day the anti-Israel lobby at DU is having.
Edited on Thu Mar-12-09 04:43 PM by aquart
One could make the argument that the Arabs didn't have to spy, they could just ask and Bush would give them anything they wanted.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 04:44 PM
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2. "The anti-Israel lobby"Updated at 9:07 AM
Edited on Thu Mar-12-09 04:44 PM by marmar
Your post is rock-bottom.....

Why not try to discuss this issue rationally.....Or perhaps you don't want this issue discussed at all?


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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 04:48 PM
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6. because the poster thinks by accusing every one of being Jew haters...
he can shut down all conversation. He'll get this moved to I/P forum or deleted altogether. Just hide and watch.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 04:49 PM
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8. That's what I suspected......The intent of the accusations is just to get the post moved or deleted.Updated at 9:07 AM
n/t
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 04:52 PM
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12. bingo
happens daily.
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bushmeister0 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 04:54 PM
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Hey, you're not one of those Israeli Absorption Ministry flacks, are you?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Mar-12-09 04:59 PM
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18. Yup. But I resent the insinuations. nt
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sixmile (821 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 04:50 PM
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10. Poster is on the job
Don't bother with facts. eom

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theoldman (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 04:47 PM
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4. Business is Business.
We spy on them and they spy on us. I am always surprised when people learn that even our friends do not trust us.
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19. plus one, except
I would object to the use of the word "friends". Years ago a very cynical person I knew said, "Friends are just people who want something from you." It nearly broke my heart, because I respected him, but I think there is a kernel of truth to it. Countries have allies, and allies are countries which find it in their best interest to be allied with your country. They will cease to be your "friend" when you have nothing to offer, when you refuse to support their position, or when a better offer comes along.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 10:45 PM
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29. Was it me.. Cause I swear, I've said those exact same words
When I don't hear from my "friends and family", I know everything is ok, cause they only call or come around when they want something.
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20. But then again we should not trust our friends either...
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14thColony (958 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 07:51 PM
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25. Yes but Israel ranks as one of the top three CI threat to the US
They jockey with Russia and China for the #1 slot. Iran's not even in the running. Our allies in Europe collect on us too, but they're barely a blip compared to the Big 3. Gigantic world power China, gigantic world power Russia, a tiny little Israel, all top 3 CI threats to the US. A little odd, even for allies...
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 08:44 PM
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26. well said, Sometimes reason does surface in these threads.
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 04:50 PM
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9. How can it be a bad thing to lobby against a country which is at war with your own?
(My own.)
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 05:36 PM
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21. I'ts not a bad think but there should be two sides to a debate...
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Mar-12-09 04:54 PM
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13. Yup. Now all we need is unrestricted and unchallenged access and funding!
Can you tell me what nation "the Arabs" are, and what precisely your mention of them has to do with information of Israel spying in the US?

Maybe you could put a little effort into it instead of these sad little deflections?
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22. It's people like you who cause anti-Semitism.
Edited on Thu Mar-12-09 05:44 PM by Leftist Agitator
Go kowtow to the Zionists a little more.

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3. I'm pretty sure that every government that has bought the software
And there are many; are all spying on each other.
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5. Why is it so nearly impossible to have a real conversation about
this... even here. There seem to be people on DU for no other reason than to short circuit discussion.
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15. those people should be weeded out
We all see it, yet nothing is done... are people not alerting the mods?
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17. I've sent a few.......it's ridiculous that discussions of an important issue keep getting derailed..Updated at 9:07 AM


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24. the mods are afraid of the accusations too
there are websites devoted to trying to game the mods here on the i/p issue to favor the israeli point of view.
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27. It is an absolute shame. That group should should be tombstoned, instead they are coddled.
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7. kcik
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11. Enough is Enough
I understand having allies, but this is beyond excusable, yet Israel still has such influence on our government. I don't like this one bit...
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16. It's fucking crazy.
People like Richard Perle and Douglas Feith are allowed to walk around in our country after what they've done?

Its fucking crazy.
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14. More information:Updated at 3:20 PM
Breaking the Taboo on Israel's Spying Efforts on the United States

By Christopher Ketcham, AlterNet
Posted on March 10, 2009, Printed on March 12, 2009


Excerpts from this article in this post:

James Bamford sheds even more light on the extent of NSA wiretapping., March 11, 2009

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23. So how much money does the US give Israel
Edited on Thu Mar-12-09 05:55 PM by Larry Ogg
I’ve heard three billion a year; but according to WikiAnswers it looks something like the following:

Cost to U.S. Taxpayers.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240



It’s nice to see that were getting something in return for our investment, even if it is being spied upon. :sarcasm:

It’s not like the bipartisan support offered by the majority of our political leaders would ever be sufficient enough to pay back Israel for all the blessings and other great things it bestows on “we the people suckers.” :sarcasm:




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28. k&r -- Thank you. This is information every clear thinking person should know about. (nt)
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30. locking
The sources and links are of dubious origin. Sites linked to have a history of placing unsubstantiated stories.
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