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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 02:53 PM
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So you want just pure capitalists (no more of this social program stuff)
For those of you who prefer we become a pure capitalistic society - no social programs at all, no helping anyone who can't help themselves... let's see...

First, all these banks and business who are going to fail, let them. That's market forces at work.

If you claim we're bailing out "loser" homeowners but still want bailouts for the big corps and banks, well, heck, the big corps and banks should have done more research on who they lent to, the market, etc. So, the didn't, but that's what you have to do in a capitalistic society.

You can homeschool your kids, or pay for a private school, but don't expect it to be subsidized - it'll have to be self-supporting. And, it'll probably have to be a for-profit school, expect the costs to be higher still.

And forget taking the school bus - you're driving yourself or getting them there.

Now, in fairness, I guess you could split the cost of the school bus with all families using that bus, but if half the kids are sick (or on a class trip or something), then they shouldn't have to pay because they didn't use the bus that day. So your costs for running that bus for that day or week have doubled.

If the country decides to go to war, and you want to fight, you'll have to buy your own equipment, pay for a training school, and get your ass over to Iraq on your own. Or, I guess, like the school bus example, you can have the government pro-rate it over whoever wants to go, but if enlistment is down, your costs go up. If training is down one week, it'll cost you more for that week, because they can spread it out amongst less people. And as a side note, that might make you think twice about going to war.

Oh, and if your house burns down, you'll have to pay every penny yourself to get the firemen there, the share of the truck, and time and equipment. Of course, you could have been more careful and then you wouldn't have the fire to begin with. On the bright side, since you're paying, you can choose how many firefighters you need. Maybe you can get away with half as many? Keep the cost down? It's your call. It's your house. You determine what you need and pay for as much or as little as you want to.

I won't start in on medicine - I think I've made my point, so just keep in mind the next time you're thinking of cancelling "social" programs. Now, perhaps, you may never need collect unemployment, unless you're, oh, a lawyer with Lehman Bros, a manager at CitiBank, Bear Stearns, Wachovia, or work at GM, Ford or Chrysler. But hey, you might have more money in your pocket thanks to lowering taxes, so you could have done okay, and I'm sure you were probably smart and put your money in a bank like, oh, I don't know, Bank of America, CitiBank, Wells-Fargo. But then again, if you were really a smart capitalist, you would have done your homework better, right?

- Tab
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 02:57 PM
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 03:00 PM
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2. I'll take total capitalism
Edited on Sat Mar-07-09 03:01 PM by AllentownJake
Only condition is that the corporation ceases to exists. You own the business and it fails, you go down with the ship, you go bankrupt right with it. Oh yeah and no more stock. If you want to buy into a business your a fucking partner. If your involved in running the business your a partner and no LLPs or LLCs, the business fails, your personal assets are on the line.

Want to take the deal rich people?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 05:37 PM
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6. Sounds okay. Who would enforce these laws?
The inherent problem with capitalism is that individuals can accumulate enough wealth to bribe politicians and buy media resources to promote their own interests. The wealthy would simply band together to repeal the law and that would be that.

I like what you're saying and would be willing to fight for it, but it seems that the trajectory that capitalism has followed is the one it will continue to follow due to the imbalance of influence it generates.

Just a thought.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 03:08 PM
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3. K & R
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 03:11 PM
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4. There'd be no exclusive business agreements.
Anyone would be able to go into a major league park and sell peanuts, popcorn, and beer. I could put up a lemonade stand in any amusement park in the country and a big vendor could not stop me. No trade secrets. Everything would be open. Non-compete clauses would be nonexistent. God, think of all the possibilities! Blood thirsty capitalism at its finest.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 03:28 PM
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5. You forgot about roads.
And water. Electrical power lines. Sewer. All are subsidized.

In a pure system, it would be a toss-up on what would cause the whole bloody thing to collapse first - the business end or the infrastructure . . .

Great post. Thank you for the reminder!

K&R

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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 05:50 PM
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7. And so I did (forget)

There are so many things we rely on our government to do. Theoretically roads could be privatized and sell passes to use the road (or a toll). But, yes, everything would be finalized.

Where I previously lived, a bit more rural than where I am now, if you ordered, say electricity or cable, they would string the wires at no charge (unless you lived REALLY far out there, then they would charge). And if you're in an ice storm, who says they have to fix your power unless you pay them.

And god help you if you were in tornado alley, and got wiped (or from an earthquake). No search and rescue for you.

Oh, and 911 calls... better have your credit card ready before you call in.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 07:24 PM
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8. I like living in a "Socialist" Nation.

I like being reasonably sure that when I turn on my faucet, water comes out.

I like knowing that when I buy gas, I get a real gallon. (Bureau of Weights & Measures ?)

When I eat at a restaurant, I like being reasonably sure there isn't a rat turd in my soup. :( (Health Dept.)

I like being reasonably sure that my airliner won't crash into another. (FAA)

I like the knowledge that if my ship sinks, I can call someone to rescue me. (Coast Guard)

I like flipping my switch and a light coming on even when I'm in the woods. (Rural Electrification)

I like it that it doesn't flood every time it rains. (Corp of Engineers)

I like commerce and recreation being able to use our rivers for transportation. (Corp of Engineers)

I like the pictures from Hubble. (NASA)

I like believing that when I take a pill for an illness, I'll probably be OK. (FDA)

I like knowing that if my girlfriend gets makeup in her eye, she probably won't go blind. (FDA)

I like knowing that even if my bank president runs off with the money, I'll probably still be able to get my savings. (FDIC)

I like knowing that if my neighbor starts dumping toxic waste in HIS yard, I can stop him.

I like knowing that if my house catches on fire, someone will come to put it out.

I like being able to call the Police if I need them.

I like knowing when hurricane or tornado is approaching. (Weather Bureau)

I like weekends off, overtime, vacation, and a 40hr work week. (Socialist Labor Unions)

I like it that McDonalds and Wal-Mart can't exploit children. (Child Labor Laws)

I like knowing that someone is watching out for epidemics. (Center for Disease Control)

I like knowing that Farmers (Large and Small) have access to information that lets them make good decisions concerning crops and land usage. (Bureau of Land Management & Farm Bureau?)
These are just a few.
There are many, many more socialist (gasp) programs that Americans (even Libertarians) take for granted EVERY FUCKING DAY!


(added by DUer Iowa)

--I like knowing that I can seek assistance if my employer creates a deadly work environment. (OSHA)

--I like knowing that my parents have a decent income and medical care in their old age. (Social Security) (Medicare)

--I like it when people who are too disabled to support themselves aren't forced to be beggars. (SSI/SSDI)


--I like being able to afford to educate my kids. (Public Education) (Pell Grants)

--I like it when incompetent/impaired physicians are removed from practice. (state boards of examiners)

--I like to see snake-pit nursing homes fined and shut-down. (State Inspections & Appeals)

--I like it when a person injured on the job can get some financial help with retraining and job placement. (Vocational Rehabilitation)


---I like the security of knowing that the bridges on our Interstate Highway System won't suddenly collapse. (DoT) (OOPS! :blush:)

---I like the comfort of knowing that the heavy trucks sharing our Highways & Interstates are regulated, licensed, and inspected! (DoT)(OOPS! :blush:)


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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-08-09 02:18 PM
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10. Nice additions!

Obviously we're not purely socialist any more than purely capitalistic. The socialism aspect is what keeps us running (it's not technically socialism, but that's how they're using the term).

Find me a pure-capitalism advocate who hasn't at one time taken advantage of some of the offerings of the state. I might even have respect for Rushbo and the others if they went off to the woods, built a place, made a point to not use any "socialist" programs, and broadcast from there. At least they'd be living what they preached in and not taking advantage of OUR money for THEIR life.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 07:39 PM
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9. Great post
Send it to the Rushican pigs.
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