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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:42 PM
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The disturbing silence about BushCo
Everything going wrong is Obama's fault now. No mention anywhere, by anybody (except the American people, of course, but we don't count) about who caused this mess and why we're not doing anything to bring him/them to justice.

Make no mistake, Bush and Grover "Drown the economy in a bathtub" Norquist and the rest of the election-stealing neocon cabal CAUSED THIS. Intentionally. A third grader could have told you you can't give every dime of a nation's income to it's wealthiest 1% by way of tax cuts -- while fighting two off-the-books wars of choice -- and survive it economically. If you go back and read the rantings of Norquist and his ilk in the early days pre- and post-2000, it's all there. It's all laid out for us, even before that, including the infamous PNAC documents. They spoke of cataclysmic social upheaval needed to bring about a "New World Order" (gosh, where have we heard that before? Oh, yeah...Bush 1).

The GOP's friends own the media, and they're trying their damnedest to protect Bush and pretend the world began on November 4, 2008. We're being totally fucked. We know where the money is (at least, what's left of it), but will we ever be able to muster the collective backbone to demand the criminals repay even a dime of it? Doubtful. Not as long as the media is used a brainwashing tool by the GOP.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:56 PM
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1. Agreed. But the best thing about Junior was his blatancy
For everything he got his cronies, he exposed them. Was it worth it to them? We'll find out I guess.

All the money they've spent on the US corporate media will not be sufficient. They made some big mistakes, like assuming we are limited to US media. Most people really aren't stupid and they don't forget being taken. The US corporate media is playing to what ever is left of the Bush base. Everyone else has moved on.

Once people people suspect a lie they only go along with it if it suits them. And they never trust the liar again. Once going along with the lie doesn't suit them they can get very ugly.

This may be the biggest looting in human history but everyone knows who took it. Not the smartest move for the looters.

IMO.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:03 PM
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2. CPAC has been bashing Bush for days
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 02:06 PM by lunatica
Plenty of blame is being put at his feet, and by the members of his own party who he made rich at our expense. George Bush has become a pariah in his own party. Newt has stated flatly that Bush was a failure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090228/pl_politico/1...


Bush a four-letter word at CPAC

Republicans choose first African-American party leader AFP/Getty Images Michael S. Steele, former Lt. Gov. of Maryland, speaks after being elected Chairman during the Republican

Conservatives arent sure whos the Republican presidential frontrunner in 2012. They disagree over how sharply to attack President Barack Obama and on the question of whether a back-to-basics approach is the path back to majority.

But if theres one thing those attending the annual Conservative Political Action Conference this week agree on, it is this: They dont want another George W. Bush.

Few come out right out and say it, but they dont have to. Theres no nostalgia for the past eight years, no tributes to Bush and no sessions dedicated to exploring his presidency.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:06 PM
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3. Not until I see every morning new program dog Bush like they did Clinton...
...will I give a shit what Newt has to say. Then I still won't. They're opportunists. Ooooh, they're standing up to the most-reviled, unpopular president in American history. Tough stance. They're reading the polls, to. But they're too stupid to do anything about it. When Newt calls for charges against Bush, then I'll believe his pap-spewing is anything but self-serving electioneering.

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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:14 PM
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4. The news media are making themselves irrelevant
Why do you think Obama is getting such high approval polls? And the same people giving Obama high ratings are the ones who gave Bush the low ratings. It happened in spite of the media's best and unrelenting efforts to make us believe the opposite.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:39 PM
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14. Every time we see on TV yet another story about newspapers tanking
Husband and I applaud. Loudly.

The media are so bought out and they fawn over the health insurance companies (Ever wonder why there are so many ads for HMO's in print and on TV? Most Americans do no t have a choice as to their HMO -t he employer makes the decision. But if you spend lots of money, the media will not offend you openly, but sing your praises.)

The conservative movement has to keep discrediting Obama, and they have to keep shoving it in our faces that real change like single payer health care is too expensive.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:03 PM
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11. And they waited til he was out of office (power) to do it.
Such brave folks.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:58 PM
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5. The only reason the Conservatives are doing this
is to try to take any blame off of themselves.
They are all to blame as they all stood with Bush during his entire tenure.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:05 PM
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6. I agree, and I hope they continue their circular firing squad
They had their day and they blew it. The tide is now going out and dragging them out to sea. CPAC might just be their third time under.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:16 PM
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7. Yes, I agree. It seems to be Part I of a scary scenario I just laid out
...in Comment #11, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

But there is not a whole lot we can do about the corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies, currently--other than to try to influence our Democratic Party leaders to use their unfairly small time slots to best advantage (--being tough, kickass supporters of Obama's program).

What we really need to worry about--because we can do something about it--is rightwing corporate-controlled, and 99% to 100% non-transparent voting machines. The corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies may write the false narratives for the stolen elections, but those narratives would not hold up if we had transparent vote counting--vote counting that everyone can see and understand.

That is the actual power to elect. It should be in full public control, and conducted in the light of day. And it just the opposite of that.

As I said in the other thread, South America has worse corporate media than we do, yet they have mounted a huge, democratic, leftist revolution all over the continent. How? They've worked on transparent, honest, fair elections. That's where the power is--in the election system itself.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:18 PM
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9. There it is. And how bout public financing?
:bounce:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:41 PM
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12. I completely agree with total public financing--a ban on all private money.
But we can't even get minimal effective controls on the political money system without transparent vote counting. That is the problem with ALL reforms--of the media, of corporate power of every kind. We can't get to square one, because we're behind square one. We're at square zero--virtually no transparency in the counting of our votes. They can play many games with us, including permitting a liberal president to have a term, to blame for all the Bushwhack horrors, then write the narrative of his 'failure' and Diebold him out of office. They can give us an illusory Democratic majority in Congress, packed with "Blue Dogs" who vote for war and against progressive tax/economic measures. They can really jerk us around--they can, and I believe they have.

The power to clean up the filthy campaign contribution system--clean it up or eliminate it (which I would prefer)--resides in the voting system itself--that is, our ability to elect the truly best candidates, and those whom we want and need in office, to enact the laws and regulations for campaign financing.

It is obscene that you have to have a million dollars in hand, these days, to even think of running for Congress. And most of the money raised goes right into the pockets of big media corporations, for TV/radio ads--a double screwing of the public. Then, on day one, the Congress critter has to start raising money again, for the next campaign.

Congress critters who have millions (and most of them do), and who got elected that way, are not likely going to vote against the system that put them in power. We have to change who gets elected. And the first and most fundamental condition we need to do that is to restore public vote counting, first of all--to forestall secret vote stealing (easy as pie in the present system)--and then to start electing millionaires-with-a-conscience, and, with good grass roots campaigns and internet fundraising, non-millionaires. With office holders of these two kinds, we can start peeling back the money factor--restricting it, etc. And when we finally get our democracy back, with a truly representative Congress, we can do whatever that future Congress thinks is the best way to approach this vast money corruption of our political system. I think a total ban is in order, and reclaiming big chunks of our public airwaves, from the corpos, for public debate and for candidate access to the voters.

Don't you wonder why the last Congress--the so-called Democratic Congress of 2006--did absolutely nothing about Bushwhack-corporate-controlled voting systems and 'TRADE SECRET' code? Why didn't they? Well, because they were the "chosen ones"--the ones that Diebold & brethren permitted to be elected. Some of them really were elected; some of them weren't. It's all up to the Bushwhack voting machine corps to tell us who won. We have no way to verify the vote in half the systems in the country; and the other half, which may have a paper ballot, don't count 99% of them! I'm pretty sure Obama was elected president in '08, and in fact I think they significantly and fraudulently shaved his mandate--but neither I nor you nor Obama nor anyone else can prove that he was actually elected.

This is the most fundamental tenet of democracy--vote counting that everyone can see and understand. It has been taken away from us, and we must restore it, before we can hope to enact any other real reform.

The good part is that it is possible--for now, anyway--because the states and local counties still control the voting systems. An election reform movement is under way at these levels. We need to get behind it, or start one. And we need a massive citizen movement across the country, in each of these places, to reform it. Unlike your president or your congress critter, your local county voter registrar may live right down the street from you. Local/state officials are closer to the people.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:11 PM
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13. thanks for all your work on this Peace Patriot.
:thumbsup:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:20 PM
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10. I just want to add THANK YOU for reminding us of the Grover Norquist plan and
PNAC, etc. Norquist particularly. The Bushwhacks' Financial 9/11 in September follows Norquist's plan exactly. Kill our economy. Induce widespread hardship and civil unrest. Nazism is next.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:16 PM
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8. Excellent post. This is the problem with Obama "Looking Forward, Not Looking Back.............."
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 03:17 PM by omega minimo
Whether he looks back 8 years or 29 years, he's not. He's not looking at the economic policies and players -- and all the social fallout -- including media consolidation -- that created this precipice we're on.

He's going to be on Jim Lehrer last night and be dignified and righteous about it and good for him. Bad for us.

Now that he's in the President's Club, this is probably how he has to play it.

Now that TPTB have their global/corporate/media/military/industrial complex firmly in place, Obama get's to be in the President's Club.

Righteously not "Looking Back."
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