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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:47 AM
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Poll question: Should Al Franken be declared the winner in MN
Sooner rather than later? Next week?


Downballot: Going and going and going
Posted: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:26 AM by Domenico Montanaro

MINNESOTA: The latest, per the Star-Tribune: Pressing its case in the Senate election trial, Norm Coleman's campaign argued Thursday that some votes already tallied during the recount must be illegal, going by a ruling issued by the judges last week. It's a mess that only the court can fix, Coleman spokesman Ben Ginsberg said. ‘There are more illegal votes in the current counts than in Al Franken's erstwhile <225-vote> lead, ... the margin in the race right now,’ Ginsberg said after Thursday's proceedings.”

Yesterday on Hardball, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty said this could take to the "summer or longer" and that there's "no end in sight." He said not having a senator "puts us at a disadvantage" because the big issues are being decided in Washington and Minnesota is lacking in representation. He didn't push for someone to be seated, however. And he went on to criticize the stimulus.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/02/20/1802409.aspx

Raise awareness.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:48 AM
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1. In lieu of a HELL YES option
I voted yes.

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:02 AM
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9. heh
:loveya:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 09:56 AM
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27. There was no "Duh!" option either, LOL.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:49 AM
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2. I'm pretty any no voters should be Freepers.
If no Freepers vote, all should be yes.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:21 AM
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20. Any NO voter needs their ass
kicked, HARD! x(
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:24 AM
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22. .
:wow:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:51 AM
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3. Norm Coleman is the most disgusting thing around right now
but this will just make the moment Franken gets into the Senate much nicer for us. and we should throw it in the GOP faces, especially Coleman's face.

i will laugh at Coleman. i hope we see him in tears and i will laugh at him even more.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:52 AM
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5. Rush???
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:53 AM
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7. Since I've been watching Westboro Baptist Clips on youtube...Id have to disagree with you.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:24 PM
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34. the thing the Phelps clan has over Norm is that they're internally consistent.
unlike Coleman the Carpetbagger.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:29 AM
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12. Could it all be over with just a concession from Coleman? nt
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 08:16 AM
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26. While I'm sympathetic to your statement you need to turn on AM Radio any night of the week.
The hatred spewed on AM radio, day and night but particularly at night, defines the word disgusting.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:51 AM
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4. And he went on to criticize the stimulus.
Betcha he'll be lining up to take that money
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:52 AM
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6. I don't know
how much longer this bullshit it going to go on, but HELL YES he should.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:53 AM
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8. I thought that the MN SOS certified Frankin as the winner
I don't understand the hold up.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:03 AM
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10. That's what I understand.
He's being challenged even though he has been proclaimed the winner.
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VPStoltz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:04 AM
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11. What were the Thugs saying when Gore was exercixing his right to a recount.
Give up you bastard!
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:43 AM
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13. yes
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:58 AM
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15. ot: Love your little pic. nt
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:47 AM
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14. Norm Coleman is fifty pounds of shit in a five pound sack.
A disgrace to Minnesota, and to humanity in general. A sorry little greaseweasel trying to hang on to a seat he has already lost by any means (which will be unsuccessful) possible. The election court is hammering the hell out of him, his lawyers change their theories 180 degrees every day and he FUCKING LOST! Jeebus, this walking piece of dogshit disgusts me.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:06 AM
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16. Just more repugnant obstructionism.
Coleman is pathetic.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:09 AM
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17. Reader's comments
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1304391678

All the reader's comments I've read tonight are pro-Franken. Some are speculating that Coleman will take it to SCOTUS for a try at a new election. It doesn't look like he's very favorable right now. Might not be in his best interest.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 04:50 PM
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39. Yes, I've read they have no intention of letting this go.
They will do anything to deny the Democratic Party that 59th seat. In the end it won't matter, but they will have more leverage than they should have for longer. The strategy of sociopaths imo, considering the monumental tasks ahead of our President.

That's just how they roll.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:13 AM
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18. Yes
Coleman and his lawyers have essentially argued in support of both sides of every legal aspect involved in the case, and still haven't been able to steal this one for the 'pugs. Give it up, Norm.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:17 AM
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19. The Obstinate Obstacle to Good Gov't rarely seen...gives Bad name to GOP
I am suprised none of the Pub heavies came down on him yet.....
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 03:24 AM
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21. They're helping him raise money!
GOP leaders seek donations for Coleman via YouTube

Star Tribune

A dozen Republican heavyweights debuted on YouTube this week, pleading for donations to help Norm Coleman pay his legal bills in his fight to regain Minnesota's U.S. Senate race.

The two-minute ad, produced by Coleman's election campaign, is straightforward about Coleman's financial needs and emphasizes the importance of holding 42 GOP seats in the Senate.

~snipped

Featured comment (reflects all I've seen on ALL the news sites tonight):
Star Tribune

Last update: February 19, 2009 - 7:48 PM
Featured comment
Close comment
Former Senator Coleman

If there is a shred of justice in this process, the title of this post should be accurate. Amazing how the carpetbagging Coleman called on … read more Mr. Franken to "do the right thing" and drop out of contention when the Senator was in the lead. Equally amazing, but not surprising, how Senator Coleman will not follow his own call to "do the right thing" when he is trailing in the race. Senator Coleman's arrogance and failed execution of his office are his principal traits - this is unarguable. He should go away, toting his carpetbag to another region of the country - to continue his exploitative ways. Hopefully, we will soon have a Senator Franken in Washington, D.C. to bolster the ability of the majority to effect damage control thrust upon us by the Bush-Cheney Regime.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/39853202.html?elr=KArksc8P:Pc:UthPacyPE7iUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 04:36 AM
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23. Its because of the GOP reliance on peeps like him that they are in trouble
and in fact,,,,heading for the terminal stage of their Pol party...due to the inability to evolve to the nx level as did Pres Obama

The Pubs are Toast....all that Lipstick shit and they still be Pigs....

Lissen the other one of their Best....michelle Bachmann

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y165e1YXK0s
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 07:57 AM
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24. If I lived in Minnesota I would be pissed off! Why in hell is this taking so damn long?
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 08:11 AM
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25. Who the hell voted "NO" in this poll?
:wtf:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:06 AM
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29. 'they' are always lurking
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:03 AM
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28. SOTUS hopefully won't hear the case. They are aware of the fact that they
have egg on their face for their unconstitutional meddling in the 2000 presidential election.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 11:00 AM
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32. My thoughts as well.
Anyone thinking they would receive a similar ruling after the debacle of the last 8 years has got to be nutz. :shakeshead:
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:46 AM
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30. MN has a legal electoral process that must be followed.
Neither the Democratic MN SOS or the Republican governor have certified Franken as the winner. He has not been proclaimed the winner either. I want to see Franken as a senator whose election is above reproach, so he cannot be strong-armed into office or bypass the legal process. We scream bloody murder when Republicans do that. It would be nice to see some posters who actually live in MN and know the situation give an informed and knowledgeable opinion on this subject instead of just what we wish would happen.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:22 PM
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33. Do you have more information about that?
A lot of us are under the impression that Franken was the declared winner. Are you in MN?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:27 PM
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37. I am in WI across the river from MN and we get a lot of MN news.
Franken cannot be the winner until he gets certified by both the secretary of state and the governor (remember why the Senate would not seat Burris? He was not certified by both.). I would reckon if you were to go to the MN state forum and ask that there are people who would know first hand what is going on there.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:49 AM
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31. Yes. Several weeks ago, in fact, and I say this very noon if not sooner.
I never liked Norm Coleman in the first place and I dislike him all the more after the legal temper-tanrums he's throwing over his obvious defeat.


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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:30 PM
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35. I see that the "no" voters lack the courage to explain their votes. I'm shocked I tell you, shocked!
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 12:30 PM by 11 Bravo
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:54 PM
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36. Update: Franken gives interview!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5103768

Al Franken: Well, Frannie and I Iook at each other at night, usually right before we go to bed, and go like: "How long is this gonna go on?" But, it really looks now that it's going to get resolved in my favor, and soon, and so I'm actually excited to get there. So that sort of overcomes the frustration of: "How long can this go on?"
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 04:07 PM
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38. Still waiting for the "no" voters to comment. What's up? nt
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