Why do the same knuckleheads keep popping up over and over again?

[ck4829]

The same geniuses who brought us the quagmire in Iraq are the same people connected to Iran-Contra and other scandals.

We need to make a list of these guys and oppose them everywhere. John Negroponte, Elliot Abrams, Dick Cheney, etc., they'll still be here when the Bush Administration is nothing but a bad memory. We need to work hard to make sure they never get into power again.

[youngdem]

1. Because they are the mafia

[valerief]

2. They're vampires. They never die. They suck our blood from generation to

generation.

[walldude]

3. Shadow Government

sounds crazy but you gotta admit... it's awfully fishy.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

26. yes

it's awfully fishy

[Vexatious Ape]

4. In 666 days we'll be through with these thugs.

They will all slither on down to South America where all Nazi's go to retire and they'll be out of our hair for good.

[blm]

25. Who will BushInc tap to continue the coverups? The same crew who covered last time?

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/10/int04054.html

(...)

Robert Parry:

(...)

And the Democrats -- the accommodation Democrats -- decided that they would simply agree (about Iran-Contra machinations) that Oliver North did it, Reagan was just inattentive, and Bush really wasn’t involved. They kind of bought the cover story. And that cover story basically held for quite a while, until Lawrence Walsh was able to break through and find out that there had been this major cover-up, which doesn’t occur really until 1991 or so.

Another scandal breaking out in 1991 after the Persian Gulf War was known as Iraqgate. And Iraqgate was in a sense the opposite side of the coin from Iran-Contra because, while one part of the Reagan Administration was helping the Iranians in the mid-'80s, another part was helping the Iraqis, who were at war with the Iranians. Essentially the United States was playing both sides in providing sophisticated equipment, including material that could be used for weapons of mass destruction, to Saddam Hussein. Now this was also an embarrassing set of facts that George H.W. Bush did not want to have out. He had been calling Saddam Hussein worse than Hitler at that point. And so the idea that he had been secretly involved in a program in the 1980s to assist Saddam Hussein was information that they wanted to keep under board.

(...)

You also had, in the 1992 campaign, another scandal, which was directly involving George H.W. Bush -- it became known as Passportgate. Going into the fall of 1992, with Bill Clinton ahead, George H.W. Bush was rather desperate. They were looking for what they called a silver bullet to take out Bill Clinton. The outgrowth of this pressure was to search Bill Clinton’s passport file to see if there had been some possible letter denouncing his citizenship. That was the rumor. There was no such letter, but they found a tear in the corner of the passport file. And from that, the Bush Administration formulated a criminal referral to the FBI and then leaked it. The Senior Bush began using that to raise suggestions that he was unpatriotic. And Clinton’s numbers started to fall. It was a very effective dirty trick.

(...)

But after Clinton won in 1992, he and other winning Democrats basically decided to not help or shelve those investigations. At that point, we forget that Lawrence Walsh, the Independent Counsel who was a Republican, wanted to pursue George H.W. Bush because he had found out that George H.W. Bush had been withholding documents that had been long requested for the investigation. Bush also refused to submit to a second interview, which Walsh had postponed until after the '92 election, so Bush would not be distracted. But then after Bush got voted out, he issued pardons for six of the Iran-Contra defendants, which effectively crippled Walsh’s investigation.

Bush was allowed essentially to walk off into the sunset with his reputation intact-- when there was a potential from all four of these investigations to have implicated the Senior Bush in misconduct -- his alleged involvement in the October surprise, his involvement in Iran-Contra, his involvement in Iraqgate, and his involvement in the Passportgate affair. But Clinton and other Democrats felt that it was important to try not to stir things up, to see if they could work with the Republicans cooperatively and with the new Administration coming in. It turned out to be a gross misunderstanding of the situation.

(...)

[leftofthedial]

5. because the Democrats, decade after decade,

decide it would not be politically practical to insist on justice being done and these criminals being held accountable.

Some of these "knuckleheads" are now working on their third or fourth massive criminal conspiracies and have never been taken to task. So why not keep going back to the well?

[Rock_Garden]

6. 666 days is not too soon to wonder what they will do after....

And I especially wonder about Cheney. Surely he will retire from any form of public office. Rove, too. It would be political suicide for anyone to associate with them. Right? Please say that's right.

[lyonn]

7. Because, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

This admin. is absolutely corrupt. bush keeps recycling them through his admin., get rid of one and put them in another position where he can keep them under control and powerful. Gonzo for instance started out way back when bush needed help staying out of jury duty since he would be asked about DUI charges, if any. From there it was straight up hill for Gonzo. Rove, same story. They covered for him and he owes them, and Daddy too. Gotta give Daddy credit for getting rid of Rove during his admin. for dirty dealing. The young son could care less about scruples.

Edit: Daddy's scruples? At least daddy was smart enough to know he could get caught up in Rove's wicked and illegal ways. Same with the Iraq war, daddy knew the consequences, sonny didn't care or Know.

[Solly Mack]

8. because they are never held accountable

under some delusional - truly fucked up - definition of "national healing", government criminals are allowed to walk off into the sunset...where they immediately enter the golden revolving door of government to big business and back again...

[Greyhound]

15. "national healing" is just a bullshit cover-up for the country club mentality

that rules. No matter how crooked they are, they're still "one of us" so they let each other off.

[Solly Mack]

18. It damn sure is just that

[HCE SuiGeneris]

23. Yep. And Ollie North is a hero. That's some

f***ed up shit there.

[blm]

29. Accountability is a NECESSITY that too many accomodating Dems decry as a luxury.

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/10/int04054.html

Robert Parry: If you go back to the Watergate period, and the period right after the Vietnam War, you had a very demoralized Republican Party. And you had an essentially shattered conservative movement. They had lost not just the White House; they were the minority in the House and the Senate. They’d lost a lot of seats in the '74 election in particular. They’d been faced with a popular movement there that they could not really deal with, and they felt it undercut them. They felt that the press was hostile to them. But they decided the world they saw was a very weak environment.

Now what they did about it is very important. They started building in their own institutions. A person who was the Treasury secretary under Nixon, William Simon, plays an important role here. He starts pulling together these conservative and right-wing foundations, and they begin making strategic investments in media, in think tanks, in attack groups. They build effectively their own establishment in Washington and make it heavily focused in Washington, which is their key point.

So they begin to counteract very aggressively what they see as this hostile situation. It starts relatively modestly by some standards. It's in the tens of millions of dollars, but then it accelerates. After the Reagan-Bush victory in 1980, the Executive Branch gets behind this effort.


>>>>>>>>

[stirlingsliver]

9. Skull and Bones?

Tri-lateral Commission?

The Masons?

Wealth?

[grasswire]

10. hopefully some of them will start dying off soon

James Baker, Ed Meese, Kissinger, Poppy, C. Boyden Gray, Ted Olsen, Bork, Colson-Dobson-Falwell-Robertson, yada yada yada......

[stirlingsliver]

11. However, See Post #2.

Vampires never die.

The just continue to suck.

[annabanana]

13. Kissinger has actually been dead for years.. .

(you don't want to know)

[cassiepriam]

12. Because Americans yawned at Iran Contra. Most did not understand how dangerous

these repug thugs are.

[Greyhound]

16. Aside from hard-core political junkies, hardly anybody had any clue what that was all about.

Stupid sheep.

[cassiepriam]

19. I watched horrified as Ollie North admitted to running an illegal war from the WH basement.

[Greyhound]

21. Exactly, and all they got out of that was the M$M portrayal of his "brave soldier" BS.

Some, like us, were horrified at the implications as well as the actual acts, but most of the publik just watched the 6 seconds of him standing at attention in the courtroom in his dress uniform and thought, "oh my, what a brave man". No thought whatsoever about all the people that died, the government overthrown, or the capitulation and subsequent arming of a terrorist nation because of what he did.:eyes:

[cassiepriam]

24. AND the legacy and same players who are up to the same tricks once again.

I really don't understand how people are so naive
and stupid.

[stillcool]

14. here's an answer for you....

on-line library, that provides out of print, and copyright expired material...

Lundberg, Ferdinand. The Rich and the Super Rich. New York: Lyle Stewart, 1968.

Shows with overwhelming evidence who rules and specifically how they rule. Although decades have passed since this book was written and the individuals have changed, the families in power haven't changed. This book allows someone with perceptiveness to look through the news, peek behind distractions of current events and see what probably is really happening. OUT OF PRINT
http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/0303socialcriticism.html

[Dover]

22. Wealth = Eternal Life

In "The Rich and The Super - Rich" Ferdinand Lundberg writes that the Robber Barons gained their wealth through crime. He writes "Crime: The Highroad to Wealth. Either sound instinct or certain knowledge led Kefauver, Kennedy, Vanderbilt and J.P. Morgan to link notorious under world figures with the business world. For crime is a historically established highroad to American fortune building. If earlier men came into the upper propertied class by means of violent crime, it would seem that later criminal practitioners might be heading toward the same dubious salvation. So assiduously and unscrupulously did the earlier fortune-builders work that one might suppose they believed that in attaining wealth they were attaining eternal life."

[stillcool]

30. I absolutely love this book...

whenever I get caught up in the 'spectacle' reading a few pages of this book returns me to sanity....as does this song by Roger Waters....http://www.roger-waters.com/intheflesh.html
"Can't you see...
It all makes perfect sense
Expressed in dollars and cents,
Pounds, shillings, and pence..
Oh can't you see, it all makes perfect sense."

[pretzel4gore]

17. read this, from Hunter Thompson's 'Generation of Swine'

1988, Randon House, pg 222:
>
"...George went wild with joy and ordered up a six pack of California Coolers for his staff...and then he called his son Jeb, in Miami, who told about the letter.
"What letter" said George. "I never sent you any letter."
"Oh no," said Jeb, "Not me. It's the one about Ollie North- that deal you fixed up with him and Dr Castejon."
George went stiff, then dropped to his knees like a wino and wept openly in front of his staff people.
The jig was up. And even as they screamed and bitched at each other, the Miami Herald was already on the streets, with the Bush-Castejon correspondence on the front page.
It was a felony crime, and George had signed his own name to the letter that would introduce Ollie to the evil Castejon. The shrewd and treacherous Vice President was no longer clean, and if he hung around in New Hampshire much longer they would probably lock him up. He was doomed.
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castejon http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Mario_Castejon

[dkofos]

20. They are loyal to their masters.

[lonestarnot]

27. Because we are "so diverse" on the hill. Bwwwwwwwwa!

Bullshit!

[TZ]

28. proof that recycling is not always a good thing! LOL-nt