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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:24 AM
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We won't have to worry about voting for Obama.
I saw him on the Larry King show last night. He was bumbling and staccato pretty much overall in most of his responses.

But King asked him doesn't experience count? Obama says I think when people learn more about my experience, they will consider me. King then asks what experience are you talking about qualifies you to be president? Obama says first thing--my community service work.

What?? I almost had to laugh out loud.

That's the thing that qualifies you to have the imminent nuclear launch codes and carry the football that could launch us into World War III ? Community service? That's what a judge sentences a mugger to that steals a handbag from a nice little old lady. That's supposed to influence seventy million Americans on your presidential resume? A comment like that in a national debate will leave you behind like tire tracks of a snow plow in a twenty foot drift.

God, Al you have GOT to announce.

Congressman

Senator

Vice President

Won the popular vote in the presidential election that was stolen once already.

Nobel prize nominee.


You will have more money raised on the internet in two months than Hillary Clinton has raised since she's been in office. You were already the president once. The fucking Supreme Court just wouldn't give you the keys to the office.

Al, I'm not requesting it. I'm fucking begging you .....BEGGING YOU !!!. .........Please be our president!!
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:26 AM
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1. Obama "Not ready for prime time"
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:33 AM
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I agree. He's clearly not ready for prime time yet. eom
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:39 AM
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34. one interview you base that on? Have you seen him in person?
have you read his book?

Or are you repeating the echo chambers mantra?

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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:55 AM
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58. Thank you SO. All that I wanted to say. Read his books, then
you can criticize; watch his rallies before 10,000+ people, then tell me this guy doesn't have it. He is brilliant. He was opposed to the debacle in Iraq from the get-go and DID NOT voted or Gonzo.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:25 PM
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99. None of that necessarily makes him PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL
Yes, he's bright. Yes, he's ultra-articulate. I don't know that he has good common sense. I DO know that he doesn't seem to understand how harmful the DLC is to the Democratic Party because he has no problem parroting their points. I DO know that he thinks compromise is important, and I think that whenever we compromise with fascists we just move clsoer to fascism and the guy needs to wake the fuck UP on that one.

And so forth. He's young, he's handsome, he's bright, he's ultra-charismatic. None of that will make him a good President. NONE of it. And in fact, about the last thing we need is a damn people-pleaser (like Clinton was) and that's the way he strikes me too.

Bah!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:43 PM
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123. How right you are!


Boring Larry King was asking his usual bland questions and Obama answered his questions.

Obama was as classy and smart as ever.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:15 PM
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154. It's easy to be opposed to the IWR, when he was not even in
in Senate at that time and not privy to the inelligence, etc.

The next dem president must have foreign policy experience, since that is where most of our problems are at this time, i.e., Iraq war, Israeli/Palestinian conflict, terrorism, etc.

Obama, is a rookie, albeit a smart, attractive one, I agree, he's not ready yet!!
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exlrrp Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #58
176. How experienced was Bush?
In anything that counted: none at all.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 02:55 AM
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167. I have read his book
I've seen more than one interview and speech of his. His book shows great depth of character and he is very charismatic. Add that to about 8 more years of national political experience and he will be a powerhouse. He's not ready yet.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:47 PM
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107. Senator Obama was asked by John Kerry to deliver the keynote address
in Boston in 2004 for our convention.

It was a great choice by Kerry and a great address by Obama, one of the dozen or so greatest addresses by a Democrat I've heard in my lifetime.

Obama won many converts that night. I watched on C-Span with several Democratic state party chairs and their families and friends. This group was spellbound by that address.

I saw a similar reaction in the crowd in Springfield, Illinois for Obama's announcement speech earlier this year. The same rapt attention, the same rhetorical brilliance, the same uplift in the audience.

This man is MORE than ready for prime time.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:26 AM
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2. Why couldn't you just say I want Gore to run?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:28 AM
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7. Good question
why can so few people here promote their candidate without denigrating another?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:38 AM
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29. I'm always suspicious of double message posts in this regard (candidates).
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:42 AM
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40. It is funny, they don't like someone who is gunuine?
Incdently, they are basing their decision on one interview?

Frankly Obama has been right on all the issues right out of the box

What they want is a SMOOTH TALKER. That is more important

Well, I tell, I think people are tired of SMOOTH talkers, they don't want a phony

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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #40
74. smooth talker = political rhetoric
I am sick of the same stuff coming out of the same mouths year after year. Give me the guy who speaks truthfully and doesn't just spew out his own talking points. Go Barack!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #40
117. Yet when Obama didn't stumble, people were denouncing him as
being nothing but a "smooth talker"!
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:09 PM
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132. You took the words out of my mouth.
And then people act all "aghast" when I suggest that maybe there's another, more underlying reason why they feel the need to publically criticize Obama with ridiculous, untrue talking points.

(Not meant to be directed at the people who criticize Obama with verifiable or at least well-thought reasons. Nobody is above criticism. I'm talking about the idiots who do no favors to this site or this party with their disingenuous character smears and those who parrot tired old talking points that have been debunked a hundred thousand times, like that Obama is a DLC'er).

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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:05 AM
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66. That doesn't matter so much here
Wait'll later in the process, when the candidates are denigrating eash other during the ten-contenstant debates. That will be an ugly scene, and on a national stage.

But if a candidate can't handle himself well on Larry King, how would he do in a presidential news conference in a room full of professional news-jackals?

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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:25 AM
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78. I watched LKL last night and thought Barack did well.
King asked him every question he could to back him into a corner and Barack kept his cool and answered each question truthfully and with dignity. He will do just fine in the time to come, and would do great in a presidential news conference because he would tell us the truth and not spew out a bunch of talking points and political rhetoric. A refreshing change if you ask me.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:49 PM
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108. Because it's not "denigrating" to point out a candidate's problems.
It's what you're SUPPOSED to look at when voting in a primary.

Sigh.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #108
127. pointing out
the perceived "flaws" in the original post strikes me as insincere, and just a way to put down Obama. No one seriously believes he's incapable of articulating a sentence, or that he's basing his presidential run on his community service.

It's a childish and laughable attempt to tear him down.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #108
169. Yep
Sadly, that's one that keeps getting dragged out. The primaries are for discussing, arguing, talking up and picking apart. Now, a whole separate point could be made that primaries are not the best idea but I don't really care to have the Democratic elite deciding who is going to be our candidate, though now that I think about it, that isn't far from what actually happens.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:06 PM
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115. Amen.
I would love if Gore ran, too, but Obama will get my vote if Gore doesn't. We get enough negative bullshit from the conservatives. They don't need any help in that regard.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:19 AM
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168. This time around is weird for me
Usually, I have one candidate I adore and the rest I have solid reasons to dislike. This time around, there are only two I solidly dislike and one of them has already decided not to run. While I don't think Obama is ready yet, were he to get the nomination, I could vote for him without reservation. Except for the fact that the only one left that I dislike is currently the frontrunner, I'm enjoying not being particularly stressed about the primary season.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:37 AM
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25. I want Gore...but if he don't run, then I want Edwards..
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:44 AM
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42. Gore isn't running.
I have no problem with Edwards, Obama, or Richardson.

I do have a problem with Hillary, she has been wrong on the war from the start

Even now she says they will have to keep some troops in Iraq for some time? What the hell does that mean

In reality Kucinich won't get the nomination, but just maybe he can keep the candidate honest.





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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:51 AM
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50. Kucinich won't as long as people believe he can't
and thus won't vote for him. I'll take a different approach. I like Kucinich and Edwards. I generally like Obama but haven't studied all his positions yet.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:09 AM
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68. I don't disagree with anything you have said, but I just view Kucinich
as someone who will keep people focused on Iraq.


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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #42
59. Exactly how I feel SO. nt
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 10:57 AM by caledesi
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #42
114. Gore isn't running....YET.
That doesn't mean he won't run.

At this point in 1991, Clinton wasn't running either.

A lot of anti-Gore folks here tend to forget that.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:24 AM
Response to Reply #42
170. Gore isn't running - yet.
If he doesn't (that will surprise the hell out of me), there are many people I would be okay with.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:51 AM
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51. I second MonkeyFunk's response to this, mmonk.
You ask a very pertinent question which I believe is owed the courtesy of a response.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #51
63. Thanks
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WorldResident Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:34 PM
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105. Because that's not all he wanted to say
n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:42 PM
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106. Then he is rightly held accountable for the rest of what he did say.
And that long passage against Obama was a pointless slam.

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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #106
162. I think the long passage against Obama has a very good point
and that point is that we are in dire need of a really impressive candidate
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #162
164. That passage was deliberately inflammatory and debasing of
a Democratic candidate for the presidency.

You endorse it all you want. I thought it sucked.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:16 PM
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119. and miss a chance to attack Obama? Surely you jest.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:31 AM
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179. because the one candidate they are afraid of is Obama.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:53 PM
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182. Success isn't enough, others must fail
It's not enough just to promote your own candidate/sports team/whatever, you have to put down the others.


When in doubt, always forget about Bill Clinton, the longshot unknown governor of Arkansas, who lost miserably when he ran for president against an unbeatable Bush riding high after an astonishing military victory.

Oooh, I can smell the testosterone... it's just so..."manly".


:sarcasm:

Primary season on DU is going to blow. But I'm confident that eventually we will put a Dem in the whitehouse and solidify our majorities in Congress and bring our country back.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:27 AM
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3. I thought he did well--and my husband, who had never watched
him before and who is NOT a Democrat was impressed with him.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #3
9. He is polished and he has charisma
but he is just too green to be president.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:31 AM
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13. I disagree--he is absolutely bright enough to overcome any
lack of experience. I especially like his views on foreign policy, which is my No. 1 concern in '08.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. I really like him
I just don't think he is our best candidate. Not yet.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:31 AM
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George Bush had not experience. Obama has an IQ and Education.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:35 AM
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21. But Americans elected bush because
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 10:36 AM by proud2Blib
they wanted a president who went to bed with his wife at 9:30 every night.

I read that somewhere not long ago and I wanted to gag. That is exactly what we got and look where we are 6 years later.
:puke:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:27 AM
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171. LOL
I don't think the "He's better than Bush" argument holds much water. Especially here.

Caveat: I like Obama, though I think he is too green just yet. But that wasn't the most ringing endorsement. :evilgrin:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:46 AM
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45. I agree, in addition he IS the real thing, and genuine
the OP obviously has no idea where Obama stands on the issues, because he has been right from the start, even before the popularity turned

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:27 AM
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4. If his answer stopped
at Community Service work, you might have a point. But he's got other experience, and I'm sure he mentioned it.

I like just about all our candidates, Obama included.

And I doubt that Gore would raise as much money as you think. He'd do well, for sure, but there really isn't a huge groundswell of support for a Gore candidacy among the masses. That said, I wish he'd run.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:30 AM
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12. Oh I feel the groundswell for Gore
I also think money will be no problem for him.

Visit our Gore forum here on DU. You may be in for a pleasant surprise.
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:32 AM
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16. I like Gore too, but we can't force him to run.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #16
30. I don't think we will have to force him
I honestly believe he is planning on running but waiting it out. But only time will tell. Let's just hope we don't destroy all of our other candidates while we wait for Al.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #12
20. Gore has no compelling reason to be Prez--he can achieve
his global warming goals OUTSIDE of the WH just fine, as he's proven. Obama represents the future of the Dem party, IMO--he will make a great standardbearer. Wish Webb could be his VP.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:40 AM
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37. Gore can accomplish much more as president
I sure like Webb too. He would be a great VP. But my first choice is Gore/Obama. Maybe Webb could be sec of defense?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:46 AM
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44. No Gore cannot accomplish more as POTUS. To accomplish anything there needs to be political pressure
FORCING Congress to act.

Gore can now act as a channel creating the necessary political pressure and fostering the political will that is necessary to force action.

As POTUS, he would have way too many other obligations to focus on the issue he has now devoted his life to.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #44
49. Well I think the leader of the most powerful nation on the planet
has a hell of a lot of power. And he gets a lot more respect than a former VP.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #12
38. Sorry
but what's hot on DU is rarely reflective of America as a whole.

Only on DU do people think Kucinich is more electable than Clinton.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:44 AM
Original message
In November, there were about 100 Gore meetup groups
Now there are 1000. The groundswell is there. Check it out -> http://www.algore.org/
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #38
41. Exactly! The love for candidates here does not match the interests
of the rest of the public--witness that Hillary is still the front-runner, but has very little support here on DU.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #41
46. Hillary has little support anywhere in the Dem party.
She is the right's favorite Dem candidate. They arrogantly believe they can force our candidate on us. But unlike them, we are not sheeple. Maybe they will figure that out one day. But I am not holding my breath.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #46
56. and that just shows
how skewed perception is on DU.

Clinton is the most popular candidate at the moment - poll after poll shows it.

If you don't like her, I can understand the psychological need to believe the enemy is forcing her on us. It's just too hard for some people to accept that their version of reality isn't, in fact, the truth.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #56
61. Sorry I just don't see it
I know what the polls are showing but I don't see it among the ranks. Not in my DFA groups and not in my state party (which tends to be very conservative). The only place I see support for Hillary is among republicans.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #61
65. And yet the only place that seems
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 11:05 AM by MonkeyFunk
to revile her more than DU is FreeRepublic.

I see no support for her at all among republicans. The canard that there is helps some people maintain the fiction that their views are reflective of the populace at large.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #65
71. I am convinced the right wants her to run
They see her as the easiest Dem to beat. No, I don't agree with them. :)
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:15 AM
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73. And I simply disagree
there's no question in my mind she'd be a very formidable candidate.

She has shown repeatedly that people who underestimate her tend to get their asses handed to them.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #73
85. I would be behind her 100% if not for the war
I agree, she is a very formidable candidate.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #46
172. It's not the republics who will force her on us
It's the DLC.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #41
75. Or are we just ahead of the curve? DU is populated with people that pay attention to,
and are interested in, politics. People who follow policy, read about the sausage factory, and generally know who the players are, that makes us atypical in the extreme.

More often than not, we know what is going on weeks or months before the general public. This works to her advantage going into the primaries, once she gets the nomination, if she does, that will all change and is the main reason to keep that nomination from her. The reich-wing will eviscerate her.


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:34 AM
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82. The right-wing
will attempt to eviscerate ANY candidate. Mrs. Clinton has the obvious advantage of having survived such attacks for over a decade and a half.

I don't understand the mindset that thinks a candidate exists who will be immune from right-wing attacks. Do you honestly think the man in your sig-line wouldn't be attacked viciously in the unlikely event he secured the nomination?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:46 AM
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84. Nobody's immune and nobody said they were, your pathetic attempt to frame the
argument in a way to make your fantasy possible just exposes you.

I'm absolutely certain that, should DK get the nomination (not a likely scenario in itself), they would try to do the same to him. The difference is he has made his positions clear and has submitted plans to make them happen, plus the fact that he's been right since the beginning, something that Senator Clinton cannot say about any issue.


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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:31 AM
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80. He did go on and list everything
The community service was just the starting point and he did not dwell on it at all. He gave more time to his time in the Illinois Senate and the US Senate. People are just nit picking in order to minimize him.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:57 AM
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89. Obama mentioned his other experience...
The OP just decided not to mention it in order to bash him.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:27 AM
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5. Unjustified slam on Senator Obama.
And you never can tell -- he just might be our nominee.

And if he is, he has my enthusiastic vote.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #5
147. Why unjustified? The OP has a right to their opinon.
Obama is my first choice among the current frontrunners, and I did not see Larry King, but I find the relexivness of some here to call any criticism of any Democratic candidate unjustified very unhealthy.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:28 AM
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6. He will be a great vice president
IMO, that's what he is running for.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:15 PM
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138. Um, no one runs for Vice President.
Just spell out what you want to say. You want him to be the Vice President. There's no guarantee he'll be chosen. You all know Hillary won't choose him and your beloved Al Gore won't choose him either.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:33 AM
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173. Officially, no one runs for Vice President
but you are sadly mistaken if you don't realize that many of the candidates are trying to position themselves for just that.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:28 AM
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8. Obama needs to work on his interviews
but I find him to be a more engaging speaker than Gore. That's just me.

I know that Obama will be attacked for having no experience, but I will take a lesser experienced candidate like Edwards or Obama over Hillary Clinton anyday.

I'd also take an experience candidate like Gore or Richardson over Hillary Clinton anyday.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:29 AM
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10. As a point of contrast, I would ask how much community service work Dubya
did before entering politics.

My guess is none.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #10
15. He served!


:rofl:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #15
19. Ha! There's the party boy now. My god let's impeach the fool by
next weekend.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #10
27. Bush might have served some community service...
... but it wasn't by choice.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #27
35. That sounds right to me. If he did any it was a public relations
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 10:44 AM by Old Crusoe
stunt (or court-ordered!) and not from his heart.

Obama's work was community-building, people-boosting stuff. The real thing.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:29 AM
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11. Obama should just say that he has more experience than
Bush had when he became president.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #11
22. Not a hard target to beat, though.
He's not running against Bush. He should be presenting himself as being among the best, not being better than the worst.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #11
26. Normally, I would say good point - but look what that "record of experience" got us.
Sorry, I don't want another green "bush" this time around, either.

You just convinced me NOT to vote for Obama.

WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER "ON THE JOB TRAINEE".

You put it very clearly.

Besides, his anti gay diatribes coupled with his religious courtship are two more very big red flags for me...

Actually, my mind ISN'T made up yet - way too early - and there were lately some things he said that I liked.

No matter what, ANY Democratic candidate is better than ALL repukes - except for LIE-berbush - but I repeat myself.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #26
39. Anti-gay diatribes? What are you referring to?
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:33 PM
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144. He's referring to a shiny new 'fact' that he just pulled straight out of his bunghole.
Obama wrote/sponsored anti-gay-discrimination legislation as a State Senator. There have been no anti-gay diatribes.

Obama is on the record saying that his personal viewpoint is that the word "marriage" applies to men and women. This doesn't sit well with some people and I can see the point. But we *must* look at the big picture here before foaming at the mouth and cutting off our nose to spite our face. Obama also said his personal opinion about the word marriage doesn't give him the right to take away the rights of other people.

If Obama is anti-gay then they're all anti-gay. I can find quotes on ALL of them because they've all been asked the gay marriage question and none of them pass the purity test no matter how some people try to spin it. But the thing that gets lost here is the big picture. Some people don't think it should matter to a candidate that the VAST, VAST, VAST majority in some states (like mine) would never vote for someone who thought the word marriage should apply to gay people. It's such a sticky, fucked up situation and it pisses me off but for gods sakes it is what it is. We've got to understand this and stop smearing our side for having to deal with reality.

I don't know why that doesn't occur to the people who choose to single out Obama. I guess because they know that if they smear the shit on the wall, some people won't bother to check the facts and will just believe it verbatim.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:31 AM
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14. I disagree. There is no particular experience that qualifies anyone to be president.
By definition, the occupant presides over a vast bureaucracy, relying on staff to actually govern. The significance of an election is to determine in which direction the government moves, what policies to implement, and what priorities to make. Obama has as many attributes as are necessary.

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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:33 AM
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18. Good point. Obama is reflective, analytical, and has good intentions.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #14
36. Sadly, I think you're right.
In practice, having experience making tough decisions is a liability. Exhibit 1: John Kerry.
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randycrow Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:05 PM
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90. Good point
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #90
93. Welcome to DU!
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obaman08 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:37 AM
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23. Gore is not going to run!
Get over it already!
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:37 AM
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28. Then Edwards....
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obaman08 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #28
43. I like Edwards,
but wasn't he a senator for only one term? What are his qualifications that makes him better than Obama?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #43
64. I agree--how does Edwards have any more experience than
Obama? They're both lawyers, both Senators for a relatively short time. If one believes in Edwards as a candidate, then one must also accept Obama's resume.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #64
67. And Lincoln had less than almost any U.S. president. And he did just
fine.

Character transcends resume.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #67
69. Very well said--Obama's character and intellect will drive his Presidency,
should he get there--you don't need to be an "almost-President" to be President--it's a unique position that I don't think can be learned EXCEPT on the job. Very few people would have that kind of resume, except for VP's. Not even Gov's. And no, I don't think Gore should run, before people take my VP comment as a Gore endorsement.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:37 AM
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24. This wasn't his best performance.
He will learn from this and be more prepared next time. He could also be having an off night.

Now compare this to our current dufus-in-chief. He says something truly idiotic every single press conference. He can't put a sentece together without sounding like he's reciting the words in his head. He has never, not once, had a single time where he has faced a truly public setting. Everyone of his appearances have been tightly controlled, no one allowed who is not a supporter. Protesters are miles away from his appearances.
And his limited experience as gov certainly hasn't done much good now has it? Is this ever brought up?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:38 AM
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31. Why lets bash him because he is genuine. Let's bash him cause he was right about Iraq
from the start

He doesn't go from a script like the slick politicians

You don't like Obama because he wasn't a smooth talker on one frickn' interview?

Point blank, GORE isn't running, he has found his purpose

You can wish all you want, it ain't going to happen.

you want to know something else, hillary will most likely be the nominee, and I cannot understand with her position on the war, and so many other things why THAT IS so

We also have Richardson and Edwards, those are REAL CANDIDATES, who are also right on the issues

Sorry, but you critisim has no foundation. Frnakly, his experience wasn't that much greater than Jimmy Carter, and definitely not than george bush

Maybe you should read Obamas book, and understand where he stands instead of jumping all over him for ONE bad interview.

Hell, in 2000, Gore bumbled quite a few interviews himself

I love your in depth analysis, NOT

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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:38 AM
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32. Snicker
I love these "Al Gore is the only answer to all the world's problems" posts. 1/2 of which are posted by f'ing Nader voters in 2000.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:38 AM
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33. Who's worried?
I'm not. :)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:48 AM
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47. Regarding people's reactions to Barack Obama's announcement speech
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 10:53 AM by Old Crusoe
in Springfield, Illinois: it was a chilly Saturday and those people flooded that town square to hear him, and the C-Span cameras showed them rapt listeners. The were hanging on every syllable, willing to let his words lift them up, and he came through in flying colors. It was a magnificent performance.

Don't give me this Larry King bullshit. I've heard the man speak real words to real people who need to hear those words. Obama has the magic.

The more I re-read the original post here in this thread the less I like it, and I didn't like it at all to start with.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:49 AM
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48. You can't manufacture experience where there is none.
President of the United States of America is the most powerful man on earth.

This a junior senator from Illinois. A guy who is barely started on the trecherous road of political gravitas. He will be ground up and spit out like sausage if he is our candidate nominee.

People will not be looking for the cum laude equivalent of their high school teacher to lead the free world for the next four years. They are going to want the most competent individual this country has ever produced.

Obama has a long ways to go before he is ready to assume that mantle. Watching him for one hour last night verified it for me.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #48
52. Well you convinced me! Nixon in '60!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:54 AM
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55. Yeah -- that damn Jack Kennedy is just too green to be president.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:29 AM
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178. And that Lincoln guy
I mean, some pissant one-term Rep from Buttfuck, Illinois? You gotta be kidding me.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #48
53. History rejects your claim. Alexander was 20 years old when he became
the hegemon of Greece.

He did just fine.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #53
103. I think the world needs no more narcissistic conquerors of the Middle East.
And you think the Greeks were happy about having a hegemon?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #103
104. I'm familiar with the politics of ancient Greece but the point was the age
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 01:33 PM by Old Crusoe
of the leader. Obama is attacked in the OP for being "green" when centuries of several examples suggest that age is not the lone determinant of success in governance.

And by the way, Darius III was no humble servant. On narcissism, he could dish it out with the best of them.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:59 PM
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112. How old was Darius, anyway?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #112
116. The focus of the OP's attack was on Obama's being "green," the same
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 02:26 PM by Old Crusoe
attack used by Demosthenes on the floor of the Athenian Senate when he derided the "barbarian" Phillip and his wet-behind-the-ears son, Alexander, then 19 (soon to be 20 at Phillip's murder).

Isocrates loved the idea of Phillip as hegemon. And although Demosthenes plainly did not, Phillip ran the silver mines, and that put him pretty much at the control panel.

Darius the Great might have given Alexander's vision a more serious obstacle. Darius III did not, and fled when Alexander's better-trained army out-maneuvered him. At Issus Alexander would have been 22 and Darius 47; at Gaugamela Alexander 25 and Darius 50. Those dates are approximate, as neither men's exact birthdate is extant.

Obama is Constitutionally qualified to be a U.S. President. If the OP prefers Gore, a strong case can be made in favor of Al Gore without debasing other Democrats under consideration by primary voters.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:06 PM
Original message
thanks!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:09 PM
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135. You're welcome.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:06 PM
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130. thanks!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:09 PM
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133. You're welcome.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #48
54. You misunderestimate
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 10:54 AM by blogslut
...Generation Jones. ;)
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #54
70. He is a democrat of mega potential.
We are not talking electing a governor here, we're talking about a hundred million Americans having to be convinced that out of two people, one of them will hold their future, security, and literal lives in their hands.

Obama is new and novel right now. But the brutality of a presidential campaign as it unfolds will quickly show him that Obama love at rallies does not translate to taking the oath of office for most powerful man on the planet. He hasn't begun to see the torture of that yet.

If he is the nominee, I will certainly vote for him but I think I will stand by my original OP title.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #70
72. I'm an Edwards supporter but I think you've misread Barack Obama by a
country mile.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:22 AM
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77. He can take it
You watch
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #70
81. A one time senator has more working knowledge
of how our federal government works than any governor and as far as experience goes, he has enough. I know Al Gore has alot of experience (even of the executive branch) and I like him. But that is irrelevant to Obama and any question on whether he can handle the job.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #48
57. I remember
I still remember people talking like Jimmy Carter didn't have a prayer because he was so inexperienced and no one knew who the heck he was............

I remember people talking about Al Gore's "lack of personality" as a reason why he couldn't possibly win........

And Ronald Reagan - just a dumb actor can't possibly win.............


---- obviously if Obama is the right guy he'll rise to the top
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #57
160. You cannot compare the times of Carter and Gore,
with the current mess we are in.

People should vote for the person they have the most confidence in, since all of our lives may depend on that person.

I'm 54, and have never seen our country in such horrific shape. The dangers we face will be nothing we have seen yet in this country.

We can no longer vote based on looks, charisma and intellect only. Experience counts and most of all we must ensure a dem victory in 2008!!

In the past, I would have voted for Obama, but this time, I'm voting for what I know, the "DYNAMIC DUO" Hill and Bill, because we need 2 presidents to clean-up the Bush mess that will be left behind!
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #160
181. We'll see if America agrees with you
Let's just hope America doesn't vote "experience" in 2008 the way they did in 2004 (as in GW has more "experience" dealing with terrorism than John Kerry...........

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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #181
186. I don't believe people felt GW had more terrorism experience
that JK. Rather, people felt that "you shouldn't change horses in the middle of a war," which is total bullshit.

But I'm not going to rehash the 2004 campaign, since we need to look forward if we want to take the WH in 2008..

Bush totally mismanaged the war, it's just too bad it took some people longer to wake-up!!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #48
60. And who, among those that are running, is the "most competent individual this
country has ever produced"?

Personally, if Gore does not enter the race, I'm working for Obama. After the last administration, I'd sure like to see a professor of constitutional law in the White House.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #48
76. Haven't we all known people, in our workplaces, who worked almost
every angle of a company from the ground up, 20 or 30 years, and doggedly racked up years of experience, yet still sits in middle management? And then along comes some hotshot kid who shoots right to the top on brains, talent and leadership ability? That is Obama. People want him to pay more dues, but it's arguable that any more time in the Senate would make a difference for him--look at Joe Biden, for chrissakes. Obama's energy and youth are working FOR him. He shouldn't squander that with a longer history of difficult-to-explain votes, stalled legislation and lobbyist minefields.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:00 AM
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62. I've heard Thom Hartmann say the candidate doesn't really matter all that much.
That it's just the clamor from the people that matters. I think he has a point, but I think there's more to it.

Some candidates have better... umm... hearing, as it pertains to the public clamor. Bush is practically deaf, for instance. He ignores the demands of the people, and does everything in his power to stifle it. Someone like Bush would start listening to the public when they started lobbing rocks through his window.

Gore would already be predisposed to pursue important issues and even help *build* that public clamor himself. I think he'd be a great president.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:25 AM
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79. He was not bumbling, he WAS deliberate
Obama is not glib in the classic politician's way. He listens carefully to questions, searches for the right word and his answers often look better in print than they sound on the tube. He also does his best to answer each question directly, which few politicans do, but his success suggests he gets high marks for integrity and trust from more than just Democrats for taking this approach. My wife, who doesn't give a shit about politics for the most part, watched the show and thought he seemed calm and refreshing.

Obama's style, which strays from blatant partisanship and is not always sound-bite friendly, is a by-product of his desire to elevate the tone of political discourse, which is the very foundation of his campaign. It often works, sometimes it doesn't, but to call it "bumbling" is to miss a basic and important point about the man.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #79
83. He will have one or two minutes to
succinctly spell out what he will do or opines on myriads of issues in upcoming debates.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think he will quickly be pushed to the back of the pack as the emerging leader.

And that really is a dilemma for me if Gore doesn't run, because Hillary is going to be knocked from pillory to post if she is nominated. Pukes are just salivating for that scenario.

I only hope her huge bank account can tamp that down and survive if it happens. Money buys the ads.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:51 AM
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87. People don't seem to want genuine anymore.
They would rather have some polished speaker who gives them the same talking points over and over without thinking about the real questions. What or who do we blame it on? Reality tv that isn't reality at all or on six years of having talking points spoon fed us by a bush and his talking heads? God, it is refreshing to me to have someone like Barack. He comes across just the way he is. You ask him a question and he listens to you, then he gives an answer directed at you and what you have asked. He doesn't just brush you aside with a quick pat response. I support Barack because of he is who he is.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:46 AM
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86. I read all the comments about Obama's interview before I saw it.
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 11:59 AM by Connie_Corleone
I DVR'd it earlier this week. I knew that Obama uses uhm's and ah's when he talks, so that wasn't a big surprise. Some people talk like that. But, when I finally saw the interview, it wasn't as bad as some here said.

I thought he did well in his interview. I didn't hear as many uhm's and ah's as I thought I would.

As far as the experience question, he started off with talking about his experience in Chicago, THEN he talked about his legislative experience dealing with nonproliferation of nuclear weapons, and veterans' affairs.

Sometimes, you just can't go on what people on DU say, especially when their only intention is to bash other candidates in order to prop up their own candidate. I had to watch the interview myself to get the truth.

edit: wrong word
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #86
88. You are right on.
I watched it at 3 am this morning, and like you was surprised there were not more uhms and ah's. In fact, as I posted on another thread, he talks like most of us do here in the mid-west. We are not for the most part fast talking, and we are more deliberate in what we say and take pauses to think about what we are about to say. Not as slow as the south but not as fast as the north, we are middle of the road in our speech habits. ;-)
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #86
92. This wasn't the pressure of the laser lights and
fifty million people watching every word he's going to say in one of the most solemn forums we will witness prior to selecting a candidate to hopefully keep the republic scum from continuing to pollute the White House.

This was just a cordial one on one conversation. This was the equivalent of one hand clapping. You don't hear anything because there is no resistance.

Wait until the other hand shows up.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #86
96. I agree 100%
I think that the folks who are taking the anti-Obama positions since the Larry King interview were firmly entrenched in anti-Obama positions well before the interview.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #86
97. Just compare his interview ....
... with a (even a scripted well rehearsed) speech of the Chimp's. Obama is most certainly not an inarticulate boob (one might get that impression from reading some of the comments).
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:05 PM
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91. If you don't like Obama, don't vote for him
Millions of Americans will, regardless. :)
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:14 PM
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95. You got it ....
The Chimp was appointed to office with experience as a failed businesschimp and the very weak governorship in Texas.

Obama has enough experience in an important area ... He is experienced at being a decent human being.
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Vexatious Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:12 PM
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94. Obama might be a great guy
and he'd probably make a great President but he doesn't stand a chance in getting elected. The last Dem to go to the White House that wasn't a Southern white male was JFK. I highly doubt that a guy whose middle name is Hussein and last name rhymes with Osama will get elected in this country.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:20 PM
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98. I think some voters will have their misgivings, but enough will not to
elect him if he's nominated.

I believe he carries all blue states that Kerry/Edwards carried, and adds southern states owing to the large Afro-American voter registration numbers.

Obama can speak. Where Bush stammers incoherently, Obama speaks lyrically and to the point. There's a dramatic uplift when he talks.

I think he can go all the way.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:33 PM
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101. Well like I said,
I hope I'm wrong. But I think the "new" will quickly wear off this crystal chandelier, and we will be voting for one of our other present field.

If Gore announces, I think it's a runaway slam dunk.

I guess this post will either make me omniscient or wrong. It will live in the archives for years. :scared:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:40 PM
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102. You know, I love our line-up of Democrats a lot this time. The thugs
are throwing really bad people at the public -- pretty much as usual. McCain is a has-been. Romney is a nitwit and creepo. Rudy is thuggish and thick. Brownback is overtly psychotic. And on down the list. They're offering the usual nothing, the usual negatives.

We've got the zip and the zeal and the good opportunity. If we combine the hard work with the inherent offering, it's going to be a blue November in 2008.

I'm willing to do the work, certainly, no matter who our nominee is. But I like our chances -- especially when you throw in the hard work part -- a lot better than the GOP's.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #98
126. Not in interviews he doesn't.He is NOT lyrical or articulate in those.
I was unpleasantly surprised.He isn't quick on his feet and stumbles and stammers.I guess he has to memorize his answers!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #126
128. I disagree. I watched him on several and found him to be steady and
true to the points asked.

He and Michelle were interviewed on 60 MINUTES a ways back and did beautifully. He's been on NPR pieces as well.

An address by its nature is composed prior to its being given. He is lyrical and frequently magnificent in those addresses.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #128
157. Maybe he was better prepared. And 60 minutes is edited.
He was really awful recently on Larry King.And he wasn't asked hard questions.I was shocked.I expected him to do better. It definately caused me to revise my first imnpression of Barak.Just saying.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #157
159. I don't do Larry King's show unless held at gunpoint, so I missed
the Obama interview.

But he's been quite good on many other interviews. His media availability sessions are increasing, too, so we'll have an opportunity to watch him over a long period of time for the next 9 months leading up to the Iowa caucuses.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:30 PM
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100. I don't understand the potshot at him...
just to get in a plug, and I don't think Al Gore would be of the mind to do that. I may have no faith in this system, but I'm not about to slur any of these people running because I just don't see the point, and I can see other things as more important now. But this does prove that nothing has changed in how campaigns are run to some, which is why I can also understand why Mr. Gore would want nothing more to do with it, especially since he is making progress on the most crucial crisis we face from outside this beltway...finally.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #100
121. Tick, tock, just like clockwork!
<just to get a plug in> Interesting comment from "The One And Only Keeper Of Al Gore's Flame Of Truth"
:eyes:
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. jealousy is a terrible thing
And look at you stalking me in threads like clock work.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #124
134. Don't flatter yourself, RG. Unlike you, I DO hope Al runs for POTUS, so I am inclined to gravitate
to Gore threads for support. This time, just came across your 'Don't run, Al' comment, and of course, was TOTALLY surprised!
:eyes:
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #134
165. A Bashing Obama Thread Is A Gore Thread?
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 10:43 PM by RestoreGore
If you think a bashing Obama thread is a Gore thread, then you too are for the type of politics Al Gore is against. It is also not that I would not want for him to run, as I DID work for him EVERY YEAR he ever ran and even in 2004, but it is not going to happen now in my summation IN THIS TOXIC SYSTEM, which he has also made reference to many times which certain people living in their own little bubbles refuse to address. I support him whether he does or not unlike those who only seem to want to do so when it is tied to political rhetoric. And FYI, this thread title does not indicate AT ALL that it is about Al Gore and I was not the only one to share the opinion that he is doing tremendous work out here. Sad you don't think so. I DO support him http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... and not just a title and my work for him proves that. So you can take your petty childish contest and put it you know where.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #165
177. Apparently you didn't READ my response or you have a comprehension problem? Go back and try again.
Again, you seem to think you're the "The One And Only Keeper Of Al Gore's Flame Of Truth". Personally I think, because this system IS so toxic, that is exactly why we need him and his sensibilities and his passion. I am sick to death of you jumping in every time someone hopes that he runs and going on the attack. If he decicdes to run that will be his choice, no doubt, but those of us who hope he runs will continue to verbalize those hopes and we would like to do it without you jumping in to tell us what he REALLY thinks or feels. He's a grown up, remember?
:think:
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #177
180. You can be sick all you want
But you don't run this forum and you aren't the boss of me. The sooner you accept that the sooner you will get over your obvious obsession with me. As long as I am a donor here and as long as I have opinions about this good man, I will express them wherever I choose to here. Now excuse me, as I have more important things to do than continue to shake you off my ankles.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #180
184. "you aren't the boss of me" How mature. As long as you continue to bash Gore 2008 threads, I will
continue to point out your obvious obsession with his NOT running,(even tho your username implies otherwise), that is, until I hear it from HIS mouth that he is not running. Get over it.
:boring:
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #184
185. Good, then be prepared to have your butt handed to you in return
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 08:15 PM by RestoreGore
when you don't succeed in stifling my free speech.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #124
140. ...
:rofl:



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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:51 PM
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109. President isn't just a job though
No particular experience is required, in fact, you only have to have been born in the U.S. and 35 years old at least. I'm qualified.

This is a leadership position, and sometimes years of working in the halls of Washington may actually cause you to become disqualified. Politics and power corrupt.

Right now Chimpy has the nuclear codes, etc., and I would trust Obama with them more.

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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:51 PM
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110. my sense is he will stay in the race until he becomes Hillary's VP candidate
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #110
113. I think Richardson will be
on the very short list for the VP position.

He has a resume that goes for miles. Few people know about it right now.

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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #113
161. I love Bill Richardson, and I agree with you, he
would be a great VP!!

I hope he gets more play around here in the future.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:06 PM
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131. He's there for a reason
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:54 PM
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111. I read all the posts here so far, and I also watched Obama on LK and the
Health Care Forum yesterday. I think he's a good Senator so far, and a good Dem, but he was just OK on LK, and to appear in a HC forum and say I don't have a plan yet is terrible politics! He would have been better off just not going there!

National politics is a real tough blood sport, and I'm really afraid Obama hasn't been beatenup enough to instantly react to the rapidly changing politics of a National Campaign. That's not putting him down as a man, as Dem, or as a Senator. Just think about Howard Dean. He was flying high in the Dem Party for MONTHS. Still today, all the things he said have been proven true! But he was blindsided by rough politics. Watch him today! The knowledge he learned from that campaign has been invaluable, and has made him one of the best DNC Chairs we've had. That's all I mean by Obama's inexperience. He didn't grow up in a political family so he couldn't learn it there. This is trial by fire!
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:11 PM
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118. What exactly does qualify you to hold nuclear launch codes really? Is there a
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 02:37 PM by grace0418
graduate program in that? Obama earned (actually *earned*) a law degree from Harvard for cliff's sake. And his community service wasn't exactly picking up trash on the side of the highway. He was helping underserved communities come together and work together to get the things they needed to survive and thrive. I'd say that's excellent experience for being president.

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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #118
120. Youch. No hitting below the belt.
But since it's my crystal ball against yours, you want to stake $50.00 that he won't be the nominee?

I'm not trying to be contentious. He is a valuable Dem. I'm attempting to be pragmatic. Fifty bucks right to DU.

You in?
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #120
125. You're absolutely right. I apologize for that. I shouldn't be objecting to what I saw
as overly harsh criticism from you (of Obama) with overly harsh criticism of my own. That's unfair and I apologize. I removed that last comment.

I do still disagree with your assessment of Obama. I don't know whether or not he'll be the nominee, but I know he's a good man and as qualified or more qualified to be president as any other candidate (certainly more qualified than our current pResident). He's certainly my pick of those currently running. For the record though, I wish Gore would run. I'd actually love a Gore/Obama ticket in 2008. Then Obama could gain tons more experience and be the perfect candidate in 2016.

Peace.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #125
136. No worries mate.
You could have left the comment in. Our emotions run high and rightfully so. We have to keep our eyes on the big prize, that's my only point. The consequences are just too great to lose.

Our comparison cannot be with the decrepit dick in the White House now. He wouldn't get 20 percent of the vote anymore.

We have to deal with the next scum lord they put up and Obama would not survive that.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:42 PM
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122. From your keyboard to Al's eyeballs !
RUN, AL, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!

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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:06 PM
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129. please stop fucking on the board.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:14 PM
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137. I agree with the sentiment of Al Gore running...
But I disagree as to the reasons why. I think Obama would be a decent President - I think any of our Democrats would be a whole helluva lot better than any Replican, and certainly a thousand times better than The Decider! I'm not going to disparage any of the other candidates who are out there - although I've got my differences with some of them.

I put it another way in this thread earlier:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"But I want Al Gore to run in '08 for far different reasons. It's not that he is our only hope to capture the POTUS at all, but we shouldn't want just anyone anyway, we should be looking for someone who's extraordinary - especially right now. I want him to run because he's the best qualified by experience and intelligence, temperament, abilities and skills, and dedication to the core principles of our country. He's got a vision of what America (and the world) needs to do to change, and how we can succeed and thrive while doing it. He's open-minded and curious. He thinks. And he's a statesman, he's acheived that status now - he's not a politician.

When your country is in need of a true leader, and you live in a time that cries out for a person of vision who can heal and inspire your nation to reach for the stars, you look for the best, the brightest, the most qualified. I think that person is Al Gore, that he would perform the job of President better than anyone else.

I know some people disagree and have other preferences, and that's okay with me. I don't know if Al Gore's going to be a choice for us at this point. If he becomes one, I'll be working my tail off for him. If he doesn't, I will be disappointed because the person I believe would be the best President for our country isn't in the race."

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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #137
143. WOW! Fabulous post. Well said. Thank you. n/t
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:17 PM
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139. Bull.
bull, bull, bull.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:22 PM
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141. his mistake was listing out his experience chronologically....
...he should have worked backward starting with what he's doing in the Senate now, then to his State gov experience, his work as a lawyer and then his community service work.

He eventually listed it all out and I think his experience is just as valid as a Governor running for Prez but from a PR perspective, he shouldn't start out with the community service stuff no matter how good it is. Could you imagine receiving a resume from a prospective CEO that begins with her/his pizza job they held in high school? It doesn't discount the hard work and experience they've undergone since then, but it does sound strange.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:22 PM
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142. Did he sound better than bush? Do you think he can do a better job than bush?
He is qualified enough, and not being able to be as articulate at times is something the public is used to with bush...
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #142
150. Excellent response. If Bush can be president, anybody can.
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 06:23 PM by live love laugh
And as far as "experience" goes, they said the same crap about Clinton and when they saw that he also had charisma among other things, then set up the VRWC to undo him--as they will Obama should he succeed.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #150
151. Well the problem with that observation is that Bush can NOT be President.
Not a good one, anyway...not even a mediocre one. As we've seen. Let's not leave the bar set THAT low...

But regardless, the sad fact is this: If Obama got the Dem nomination, he would not win one state.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #151
153. Karl, I'm going to put a possibly surpising twist on
your comment.

If Obama is our nominee, I would put money on it that he will be our president. If he can survive what lies ahead of him and is in the pole position at the end of our primaries and debates, I will be stunned.

I don't think there is any way one of their puke scum lords could then top that test of national "Rocky" survival and beat him in the general election.

My prediction is that I just don't see him in the race when the dust clears.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #153
155. Well, that is a most interesting propositon and could actually be right.
Just to be clear, I would have NO problem whatsoever supporting him if he were to get the nod...I just think 1) it's about a zero on a scale of 1 to 10 and 2) no way - if he did - could he win one state in the electoral college. I'd love to be wrong.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:40 PM
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145. I think Obama is more "qualified" than SOME of the other candiates. nt
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:42 PM
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146. Obama/Anyone or Edwards/Obama
Those are my tickets.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #146
148. And very strong ones they'd be, too. I could show up for either of
those kinds of tickets, no problem, wind at my back, blue skies & sunshine enthusiasm.

Go, Democrats.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 06:19 PM
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149. Who's worried ...
besides you?

BTW you're NOT required to vote for anyone.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 06:49 PM
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152. Obama answered your biggest complaint himself, I think.
He said something to the effect that "Dick Cheney had a lot of experience".

We all know how that worked out. Not to say experience is a bad thing, but I don't see any of the current front-runners as having a whole lot of experience. I somehow can't imagine Darth Cheney giving up a 6 figure salary to work for the betterment of peoples lives, like Obama did. To me, something like that is worth a LOT.

I like Obama - so far I like him the most of the 3 front-runners. I've studied his past and it's quite impressive. I've seen several speeches, which were impressive to the point that I wanted to go contribute to him right away. He inspires hope.

Why this is on the greatest page is beyond me. I'm not "worried" about voting for him, in fact, I'm looking forward to it. That is subject to change, if other people enter who I think could do a better job - it's still early.

Why do we eat our own?

:shrug:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:30 PM
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156. I'm not an Obama supporter. (nt)
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:35 PM
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158. I am. :)
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 08:17 PM
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163. DU rocks. (nt)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 02:53 AM
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166. I think Obama will make a fine candidate in 8 - 12 years
He might well make a fine VP candidate this time around. But he isn't ready to be President yet.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:54 AM
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174. I love gore, but community service means he knows what the people need.
I don't see anything wrong with that answer. I think if all politicians were out there in the community, they wouldn't do the shit the republicans are doing.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 05:43 AM
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175. Ad Hominem Attacks Are The Last Refuge Of A Scoundrel
Carry on...
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:58 PM
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183. Please tell me how Dumbya was qualified. Or Bill Clinton.
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 04:02 PM by IronLionZion
Please tell me you have something more substantial. Have you read "Why running oil companies right into the ground makes me a good leader!" Or "What I learned about boinking Arkansas women helps foreign relations".

I would have just said I support Gore and list my reasons why. And then I would share these links:
http://www.draftgore.com /
http://draftgore2008.org /
http://www.algore.org /
http://www.electgore2008.com /
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/303874397
http://www.petitiononline.com/AG2008/petition.html
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