OK, Mr. Conyers, we're tired of you crying wolf. If he doesn't show this time

[rateyes]

http://rawstory.com/images/other/rovesubpoenarawstory.pdf


We expect you to have the US Marshals arrest him and drag him before the committee.

[wtbymark]

1. I second that motion n/t

[LakeSamish706]

2. I want to see Rove in handcuffs... Drag him in kicking and screaming....

Then when he is indicted, put him in General Populace and let the good old boys take care of him.

[Sydnie]

3. He who?

I need to know ... but can't click the link at the moment.

[MinneapolisMatt]

4. Rove.

K&R.

[Sydnie]

9. I am very glad to hear this news. Now, go get him! n/t

[babylonsister]

6. Rove. Conyers sent him another subpoena. nt

[Sydnie]

12. I hope he doesn't show so they can round his ass up and charge him with contempt too.

It's about time they brought him in and made him talk. The rack is too good for him!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

5. God damnit I want this photo to become reality.

[LakeSamish706]

8. I was thinking about that photo and wondered who had a copy of it... I like that one.. n/t

[spanone]

7. let's see what nancy has to say about this...she better support it.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

10. AMEN!! But at the same time, he was being thwarted by Nancy Pelosi.

He wanted to pursue a court marshal, but she and others stopped him. Not his fault.

[Siwsan]

14. He told us this gem

And, I know it sounds strange, but he said it to the whole forum, and, to me, afterwards, so I'll repeat it. He said there was the opinion that bush is unstable, and if they started impeachment, he might "act out" by starting up with yet another country, like Syria. I was pretty shocked to hear him say that, but since I heard it twice, from him, I mentally stored it away in my "JUDAS PRIEST!!!" file.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

17. WOW!!! Very interesting. Reminds me of that "On the Couch" book

that was written about him.

[nashville_brook]

21. wow. that's actually believable. so, now that he's outta power lets throw the book at 'em!

[yodermon]

36. Conyers actually *said* that?? It's settled for me then: Conyers had been blackmailed.

Maybe something to do with his wife. There's no other explanation.

[Le Taz Hot]

47. Which means he's been compromised

and should not hold elective office and there are plenty of other explanations. The reality is the spineless Pelosi, Ms. "Impeachment is off the table," wouldn't let him go any farther. She now "has the votes" (she always did) so there should be no excuse.

[Enrique]

27. false

that was claimed at the time, but it was false. And it's not a court marshal (sic), it's contempt of congress.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

38. Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. Regardless of semantics, KKKarl needs to show up

or, I fully expect for the Dems to take proper action this time rather than cave into the Repukes. Rove is thumbing his nose at the Dems, the Justice System, and the U.S. Constitution. When will he be held accountable for his long list of crime.

[Siwsan]

11. Agree

I like Congressman Conyers, personally, and have been lucky enough to have had several talks, with him, where I voiced my strong opinions about impeachment and the subpoenas, and the lack of action on his, and others, part in getting something done. He listened, and we had a little back and forth conversation. He's an intersting guy -

He generally shows up to speak at our Iraq War anniversary forum. I'm hoping to have another chat with him, this year.

[populistdriven]

24. Ask him about the RIAA / BET Analog Hole bill while you have his ear. He is out of touch.

He sponsored that Analog Hole bill. If you know anything about tech it was HORRIBLE and he is clearly rubber stamping whatever the RIAA lobbyists hand him.

Print this out when you ask him about it http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2005/12/lump-coal-consumers-analog-hole-bill-introduced

I cannot emphasize enough how draconian H.R. 4569 is.

Read this for background before you speak to him http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/analog-hole-bill-would-impose-secret-law

Even better show him this http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/01/23/free-monty-python-videos-on-youtube-lead-to-23000-dvd-sale-increase/ it was posted here at Du today.

[ORDagnabbit]

13. conyers actually do something??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! yeah right. all he can do is talk n/t

[populistdriven]

22. Unless the RIAA / BET is paying for Dinner then Conyers is a typical DC Politician. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. Amen

He isn't going to do a damn thing other than make noise.

[SIMPLYB1980]

15. Good Call. nt

[Ian David]

16. He could just make a statement deputizing all American Citizens as temporary Sergeants-at-Arms

[gordianot]

18. The Sargent of Arms has what I recall is a ceremonial mace.

Maybe he could him in the head. Also the Sargent at arms can lock Roves sorry ass in the Capital building. It may be time to revive some old traditions.

[Vincardog]

19. Second that have the US Marshals arrest him and drag him before the committee. NOW

[Pithy]

20. I can think of other ways

that ceremonial mace could be wielded. Just sayin'.

[backscatter712]

28. Assuming Eric Holder is confirmed, inherent contempt is unnecessary.

Unlike Mukasey, Eric Holder will not just sit on a contempt-of-Congress citation. Rove will go before Congress, or he'll go to jail.

[Vincardog]

32. Rove will go before Congress, or he'll go to jail, bout damn time too

[backscatter712]

23. Now he can send the contempt citation to Holder.

Holder won't sit on the contempt citation like Mukasey did.

[Enrique]

25. if he doesn't show then it's in Obama's court

will his AG enforce a contempt charge levied by Congress?

[rateyes]

35. There is such a thing as inherent contempt, and Conyers should use it. nt

[H2O Man]

26. Rep. Conyers

is an old, toothless lion. A pleasant old, toothless lion, who poses no threat to anyone these days.

[Fire1]

30. Apparently, voters in Michigan disagree with you.

[H2O Man]

34. I would be pleased

if you could provide any evidence that suggests he was recently elected based upon a belief that he was going to go after Rove etc. Otherwise, it is safe to say the voterts elected him because he is a pleasant, old, toothless lion.

[Fire1]

37. I don't presume to know the minds of voters but I think it's safe

to say they voted based upon his record in Congress for almost 40 yrs. and that's good enough for me.

[H2O Man]

39. Oh.

I was responding to the part of your post where you said the voters evidently disagreed with me. I missed the part that connected his being elected for almost 40 years to the issues involving Rove -- perhaps because it was not there.

[acmavm]

46. And? That makes what difference?

Just because the dem voters in Michigan are given a lousy choice doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it is now put up or shut up time.

[Fire1]

48. Michigan voters APPARENTLY don't think he is a 'lousy choice,'

is the point of my post. We all know it's 'put up or shut up' time, but the DOJ plays a role in this, too. Don't forget, the Democratic congress has been dormant and left out of the Washington loop for eight years. That said, to characterize Conyers as a 'toothless lion' is an unfair assessment, imo.

[CitizenPatriot]

29. well, he can't do that without the DoJ's help

that is where the trouble was before -- they enforce and they chose not to, because they were the same people who rewrote the laws so bush and rove and the gang could do whatever they wanted. They were, in fact, the very people who were illegally investigating Dems, so of course they weren't going to enforce the subpoena.

Let's hope Holder gets appointed. That would be a good start. the fundy careerists over there will still be obstructing, though.

[4 t 4]

31. Maybe three will be the charm

I'm so sick of this I could scream,make it stick once and for all your wasting everyones time and faith.

[CitizenPatriot]

33. I feel your pain

call your congress people and remind them that we want Holder appointed ASAP and we're watching all of the obstruction from the RUSH LIMPBALL REPUBLICANS!!!

Once Holder is in, justice may be restored.

[rateyes]

43. He can hold Rove in inherent contempt. He can order the

Marshals to find him, arrest him, and bring him before the committee if he doesn't show.

[treestar]

45. Exactly, the law has to be followed which the Chimpadministration

would not do. People shouldn't be blaming Conyers for not doing things he doesn't have the power to do.

[proud patriot]

40. AMEN !

:kick:

[bdamomma]

41. rove is like lucy pulling the ball away from conyers all the time.

they better get rove.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

42. If he doesn't show this time,

then Conyers will issue another warning, but with very stern words. Very stern.

[mod mom]

49. and pls ask rove about what he requested of Tom Noe ('04 Election in Ohio)

Noe Attended White House Strategy Session With Ken Mehlman and Possibly Karl Rove, While His Wife Was an Ohio Elections Official. According to emails released by Ohio Governor Bob Taft's office, Thomas Noe used his influence to obtain a coveted invitation to a White House ceremony honoring the Ohio State University football team. The emails also revealed that Noe attended an "Ohio political strategy session" with Ken Mehlman and Collister "Coddy" Johnson, Bush's campaign manager and field director. Karl Rove was also listed as a possible attendee of the meeting. At the time, Noe's wife Bernadette was an elections official in Lucas County Ohio, an area that experienced extreme voting difficulties during the 2004 election, causing Secretary of State Ken Blackwell to ask for her resignation.

Noe Was "Man to See" in Northwest Ohio For Republicans. For nearly a decade, Thomas Noe has been the Republican Party's man to see in northwest Ohio, a confidant of governors and a prodigious fund-raiser for legislators, judges and just about every Republican statewide elected official.

Noe was Regional Chairman of Bush-Cheney Campaign and Frequently Spoke with Rove. As a regional chairman of the campaign, Mr. Noe had frequent contact with Karl Rove, the architect of the President's re-election. And Ohio, it turned out, was the pivotal state in the election, narrowly pushing President Bush to victory.



WAS IT JUST A COINCIDENCE THAT A COIN DEALER WHO WAS AWARDED A 50 MILLION CONTRACT TO INVEST FOR BWC, WHO SERVED AS A FORMER CHAIR OF THE B OF ELECTIONS & WHOSE WIFE SERVED IN THE SAME ROLE IN 2004 HAD THIS OCCURR IN THEIR DEMOCRATIC STRONGHOLD COUNTY?


OH SOS Investigation of the Lucas County BOE

includes the fact that REPUBLICAN VOLUNTEERS were allowed UNSUPERVISED ACCESS to UNSECURED BALLOTS prior to the election, as well as this list:

*failure to maintain ballot security
*Inability to implement and maintain a trackable system for voter ballot reconciliation .
*failure to prepare and develop a plan for the processing of the voluminous amount of voter registration forms received.
*issuance and acceptance of incorrect absentee ballot forms.
*manipulation of the process involving the 3% recount.
*disjointed implementation of the Directive regarding the removal of Nader and Camejo from the ballot .
*failure to properly issue hospital ballots in accordance with statutory requirements.
*failure to maintain the security of poll books during the official canvass
*failure to examine campaign finance reports in a timely manner.
*failure to guard and protect public documents ....etc.


-One-half of the ballots printed and used in the 2004 general election in Lucas county were stored in an open space on the fhird floor of the county warehouse with no security measures in place.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation on Lucas County BOE page 4



-Live ballots were delivered to polling locations a week in advance of the election. Although the ballots were retrieved, one board employee who was assigned to the warehouse informed the SOS staff that he did not believe all the ballots were successfully retrieved.
SOURCE; SOS Investigation, page 5



-Lucas County BOE failed to record or retrieve ballot stub numbers of absentee voters’ ballots as required by statute OH Revised Code 3505.23. It was reported by an elector that her mother had received not one, but three absentee voter ballots. there was no way to determine if similar incidents occurred and if so how many.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation, page 7




-October 4, 2004 was filing deadline for new voter registrations. At that point there were approximately 20,000 unprocessed voter registration applications with less than a month before the election. One mail tray containing 4,500-7,000 (estimates vary) unprocessed “Project Voter” registrations were discovered on or about October 18,2004.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation pg 10

***Of interest here is information obtained from the SOS website entitled ElectionsVoter/results 2003 and 2004 which show the # of registered voters number change from ‘03-’04 was 11,947 in Lucas County: reg voters 2003 in Lucas=288,190 ; registered voter in 2004=300,137.



-In late September or early October an employee of the Ohio Republican Party contacted Sam Thurber (*involved with politician wife Maggie Thurber in Noe scandal.) wanting to inspect and have copies made of all recently returned voter registrations, Ohio Republican Party offered to furnish volunteers to assist with copying postcards. No one at the Lucas County BOE can confirm that anyone was assigned to supervise Republican volunteers. On their second day of copying, a BOE employee, Jennifer Bernath, Democratic Booth Official) saw republican party volunteers peeling off the yellow return stickers applied by the post office. (Violation of RC 149.43 (B) (I) , and agruably a violation of 149.351.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation, pgs 18-19



-The Swanton 3 poll book turned up missing and has never been recovered.
SOURCE: SOS Investigation pg 16

http://www.solarbus.org/election/docs/lucas.pdf




http://www.sos.state.oh.us:80/sos/ElectionsVoter/OhioElections.aspx?Section=1008