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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:37 PM
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If you were living in the 1840's do you think you would have been a democrat or a whig?
or some other party that may have been around in those days?
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:37 PM
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1. I wouldn't have been able to vote - but it's an interesting question. nt
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 07:38 PM by Muttocracy
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:39 PM
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2. Good point, so many of us would not have been able to vote.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:46 PM
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8. reviewing quickly on Wiki... I'm not sure... but probably Democratic
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 07:48 PM by Muttocracy
though I like the Whig parts about Congress being more powerful than the President - so maybe that makes me a Jeffersonian Democrat but not a Jacksonian one?

Most of my ancestors were probably not voting either - probably too busy scraping a living in Appalachia.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:40 PM
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3. Good point!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:44 PM
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6. Add me to that list. n/t
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luvspeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:46 PM
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9. no vote here either
good point.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:42 PM
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4. Neither. I'd have been serving tea and cakes
to fellow Suffragettes and plotting the overthrow of male dictatorship along with ending the evil system of slavery.

My great grandmother was a Suffragette. My grandmother was a Suffragette.
One of my mother's earliest memories was of a Suffragette parade in NYC at least five years before the men in DC finally did the right thing.

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:43 PM
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5. I would have been a boatman on the Erie Canal


I've got a mule, her name is Sal,
15 miles on the Erie Canal
She's a good old worker and a good old pal,
15 miles on the Erie Canal

We've hauled some barges in our day
filled with lumber, coal and hay
And we know every inch of the way from
Albany to Buffalo.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:22 PM
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19. Low bridge! Everybody down! nt
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:44 PM
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7. I probably would have still been a saxophone player as the Sax was invented in 1840.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:46 PM
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10. I would not been able to be within a party
I would have been considered property, tho not like the slaves. As a female, I would have been told what I was supposed to believe, or risk being alienated.
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Steepler0t Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:46 PM
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11. Well, since my descendants are from Germany
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 08:02 PM by Steepler0t
I would be at the bar with:

Discussing philosophy and raising hell

He sure knew how to get a party started!

Next rounds on Engels! :rofl:
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:10 PM
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25. Um, I think you mean "ancestors"
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:34 PM
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34. I'd be telling him "Brilliant economics and sociology, but your Hegelianism sucks!"
:rofl:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:49 PM
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12. That's a very good question and I've thought about it frequently
Really it's hard to choose because neither party really gave a shit about poor or working people. The Whigs were largely the business elite and their concern was mostly protecting their own interests. Jackson and the Democrats didn't really help poor or working people either because their electoral success was based on having a voting block with a low level of education.

The tie breaker would probably go to the Whigs since at least some of them were anti-slavery.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:51 PM
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13. good point - in terms of slavery, at least some Whigs were on the right side
though I guess it split their party eventually?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:18 PM
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18. The Democrats had some against slavery as well
David Wilmot, author of the Proviso banning slavery in the Mexican Cession, was a Democratic Congressman.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:32 PM
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22. True, but not those with the prominence of people like Daniel Webster
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:26 PM
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31. "their electoral success was based on having a voting block with a low level of education"
Some things never change, eh? ;-) Only parties change.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:55 PM
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14. About that time there were three other divisions, one of which sort of persists today
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 07:55 PM by ThomWV
If I were to consider myself anything of that time it would probably be something you've likely never heard of, Cohee. Prior to the civil war anyone in the country would have known exactly what it meant as well as its two counterparts, Tuckahoe and Yankee. The traditional notion of who a Yankee persists to today but the other two have faded. You can begin to grasp the Tuckahoe in that was the name of Jefferson's father's home. The Tuckahoe were the better off land owners, tradesmen, and wealthy coastal folks. The Cohee were the inland people of the mountans and beyond, from a place much more harsh and very much independent of the other two.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 04:47 PM
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42. very interesting. I don't remember hearing those terms
despite growing up and having long roots in the border of those. I'd have been a Cohee too.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 07:56 PM
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15. I'm quite certain I would have loved Jackson and his big block of cheese.
But, per usual, he probably would have done little for me or my class.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:03 PM
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16. If it was after 1845 I would be a ONE ISSUE voter for whoever stopped the IRISH POTATO FAMINE
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Synicus Maximus Donating Member (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:12 PM
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17. All my people were Texians in 1840
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Ten Bears Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:26 PM
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20. The Whigs were the liberal party then...
...so it appears I would have been a whig.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:30 PM
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21. They were also the pro-business, pro-banking party
I'm not so sure that our current ideas of liberal and conservative really fit that well into the politics of a century and a half ago.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:24 PM
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30. Those ideas don't even fit well into the politics of 30 years ago.
;-)
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:33 PM
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33. I would characterize the Whigs as more progressive than liberal
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:56 PM
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23. It probably would depend on
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 09:02 PM by coalition_unwilling
which section of the country I lived in. Political identity and hence affiliation was far more sectional (North, South and West) than national in the 1840s.

I would like to think I would have stood with Lincoln and Thoreau against the Mexican-American war of 1848, though.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:38 PM
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35. Same with me. IIRC Whigs were generally opposed to that war.
It was seen as a land grab by Southern Democrats who wanted to get more land to have plantations.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:03 PM
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24. I supposed I'd be serving tea and crumpettes along with
the rest of the women.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:12 PM
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26. Democrat.
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 09:13 PM by roamer65
Definitely a "Jacksonian" democrat.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:12 PM
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27. Probably neither. My ancestors were still in Sicily at the time
Didn't come over to Ellis Island until 1897
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:18 PM
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28. I'd have been Canadian
My family didn't move down to Wisconsin until the 1880's.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:18 PM
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29. I would not have been able to vote, but my ancestors then were Whig. n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:30 PM
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32. Probably a Whig. 2 decades later I would have been a Radical Republican
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 09:40 PM by Odin2005
Around the turn of the 20th Century I would have been a Progressive Republican. Only starting around 1920 would I fit in the Democratic Party
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 04:34 PM
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41. It would be hard to fit into the party until about 1928-1932 IMO
Because until that point, the Klan was still an element of the party and they were debating whether or not to change that. Al Smith was at least anti-prohibition and that may have drawn me to him.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:43 PM
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36. Wouldn't have been able to vote. Depending on my class, I might not have been able to read, either.
So I probably would have had no knowledge of politics. And if I had been a slave, the question would most certainly be moot.

sw
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:47 PM
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37. Picking cotton on some plantation in Georgia, hoping my family didn't get split up.
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 09:49 PM by Connie_Corleone
Maybe having some of the slave owner's children.

I'll stick with this century.
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johnlucas Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:51 PM
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38. Neither. I'm Black.
Neither party cared about my well-being in those days to put it VERY mildly.

John Lucas
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:52 PM
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39. Popping out babies in Italy.
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:56 PM
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40. Democrat.
Half New York Irish, Half Southerner.
"You mean, there are other political parties?"
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jacksonian Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 05:28 PM
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43. the Whigs never produed the kind of politician i would go for
they were nothing nationally without some war hero general at their head. Nor were they, as a party, particularly anti-slave - many did become abolutionists, but many were in favor of slavery and became Dems after the Whigs broke up.

i would have been a Jacksonian Democrat, because i would have been most concerned about limiting the power of the banking system, although i would have been a moderate on the tariff issues. The slavery and Indian rights questions would have had me considering splitting, however. By 1860 i would have definitely supported Lincoln.

My votes:
1840: van Buren over Harrison, although i might have voted for Harrison
1844: Polk over Clay, Clay was just too slick a politcian for my vote
1848: Cass over Taylor, although this would have been the first time the slavery issue would have started to have me leaving the Dems. But Zach Taylor was not presidential timber, i'm sorry, and the whole "general as president" meme was getting pretty worn out
1852: Pierce over Scott, a terrible choice either way.
1856: Fremont over Buchanan and Fillmore. Bloody Kansas would have chased me from the Dems.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 05:30 PM
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44. No voter... many reasons,
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 05:33 PM
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45. My ancestor was a Whig in the NC Legislature.
He led a fight to try and keep NC in the Union. Other than that, I don't know the political leanings of the others except George Monck, Duke of Albemarle and one the Eight Lords and Proprietors of Carolina when the state was claimed by England.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 11:01 PM
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46. kick
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 11:05 PM
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47. I wouldn't be alive without modern medical science and sanitation...
...and there's probably a fair number of folks here for whom that would apply.
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