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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:12 AM
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I saw Kenneth Lay walking down a beach here in Costa Rica.....
....well, not really. But I am one of those who thinks he used his money to fake his death in order to avoid incarceration.

It's been two and a half years since the POS allegedly died.....what has happened since to try to reclaim all his stolen assets for the people he ripped off? What is his wife doing? Does she stay at home or has she been doing travelling to far-off places?

What would you do if you saw this man while vacationing on a distant island?
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:14 AM
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1. But I am one of those who thinks he used his money to fake his death in order to avoid incarceration
"

Didn't he die in prison?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:17 AM
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3. IIRC, he died while on vacation
:shrug:
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:35 AM
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14. Thanks guys. I guess if both of you remember that, then that is the case.
.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:20 AM
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5. no.....he allegedly died while on a ski vacation in colorado
never saw a day of prison.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:36 AM
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16. He's legally considered innocent of all charges
"As a result of his death, on October 17, 2006 the federal district court judge who presided over the case vacated Lay's conviction."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Lay

If he's alive, he got away clean, there are no restrictions on him travelling etc, even if his identity is discovered.
Like Andy Kaufman, he could reappear at any time.

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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:55 AM
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17. how convenient, eh?
that POS is still alive.
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:16 AM
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2. I do! I do! nt
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:20 AM
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4. There's a new expression now....
"Faster than a Ken Lay autopsy"
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:20 AM
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6. i love it!
nt
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:21 AM
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7. I saw Lon Cheney walking with the Queen
:smoke:

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:25 AM
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9. *jinx*
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 06:33 PM
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25. And his hair was perfect. n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:24 AM
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8. Well, I saw Lon Cheney walking with the Queen
Doing the werewolves of London.

I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's
His hair was perfect
Hooowwwwl, the werewolves of London, Hooowwwwl

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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:25 AM
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10. BTW - there was no recession when W came into office
That recession was a result of Kenny-boy and his henchmen holding up California and bring their economy to a halt. Which took place right around the time that Cheney was holding his private energy policy meetings with the Ken Lays of the world.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:26 AM
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11. He has got a new face now.. no way that he died so conveniently.



http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2009/01/12/prbf0112.ht...



Cleveland Clinic surgeons perform first face transplant in the U.S.

Surgeons at the Cleveland Clinic performed a near-total face transplant in December 2008. The ethically controversial procedure was first done in France in 2005, with good results for the recipient. Two other patients, one in France and one in China, have received face transplants since then.

The 22-hour Cleveland Clinic procedure grafted everything but the forehead, lower lip, chin and upper eyelids from a dead donor onto the recipient. Surgeons said the patient was doing well, news accounts reported. The recipient, a woman who was not identified, hopes to regain her ability to eat and breathe without mechanical assistance and will have to adhere to a lifelong regime of immunosuppressive drugs. Physicians said the recipient has at least a year of physical therapy to make the most of her new face.

Aside from science-fiction-driven fears of using face transplants to change identities, the medical ethical controversy centers on approving a transplant procedure aimed not at saving the recipient's life but improving quality of life. A major risk of the surgery is that if the recipient's body rejects a facial transplant despite the aid of drugs, surgeons would have to graft skin from other parts of the body to heal the gaping facial wound.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:31 AM
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13. Nope- just a disguise
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:36 AM
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15. SOLID
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:30 AM
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12. Remember the NY Daily News cover after Lay supposedly died?
It said, "Before you lower Cheato Lay's coffin into the ground, CHECK HE'S IN IT."

And a response to a poster upthread: the recession wasn't completely the fault of Enron's energy manipulation, but the manipulation didn't help matters any. The Bush people talking the economy down, from the time they decided to run Bush for president, had a significant effect too.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:04 AM
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18. I believe Elvis is dead but when it comes to Ken Lay I'm a doubting Thomas

first they took it away....

http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/9032767/?f=rsspage
Lay was convicted in May 2006 on ten counts of fraud and conspiracy in two separate cases, but since he died before exhausting his appeals, Lay's indictment convictions were wiped from the record under a legal principle known as the abatement doctrine. And since there are now no criminal convictions, prosecutors must sue Lay's estate to recover any money.(last paragraph in article)

then they offered this...

http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/07/news/newsmakers/lay_enr...
Enron workers who lost their pensions can seek up to $12 million from Enron founder's estate; payout could be less.
New York (CNNMoney.com) -- The federal government said Thursday that it agreed to cap at $12 million the amount of money that Enron workers who lost their pensions could try to recover from the estate of Ken Lay, the former Enron chairman who died in July.
But claimants may not receive the full $12 million in reparations for their losses, the Labor Department said in a statement.
Enron founder Kenneth Lay died in July after being convicted of fraud and conspiracy. His estate is facing civil claims filed against him.
Lay, who died of a heart attack after his conviction in May on charges on conspiracy and fraud related to Enron's collapse, testified during his trial that he was $250,000 in the red because most of his net worth was tied up in worthless Enron stock. He added that legal bills ate up the rest of his fortune and that he still owed millions to his attorneys.
The Labor Department said any final recovery will depend upon the total amount of assets available for distribution from Lay's estate. The proposed settlement is subject to approval from the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas.

Now they want it back...

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou080515_tj_en...
Enron demanding money back from former employees
Jo Ann Holloway is one of the employees who got the letter. 11 News found her in Stafford.
These days, she's a mapping specialist for the public works department in Stafford.
Years ago, we would have found her among the thousands fired when Enron folded. Her Enron retirement plan also went under that day.
"I'd say (I lost) $70,000 or $80,000," Holloway said.
11 News: That just vanished?
Holloway: "Poof, the magic dragon. Gone
Two years ago, she got some of that money back. A class action settlement got her $726.22.
"I was appalled that's all they sent, said Holloway.
Now Enron, which cost her tens of thousands of dollars, wants her to give that $726 back
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:48 AM
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19. I would like to see Mrs. Lay's travel receipts the last
couple of years. They would tell the tale. I don't for a minute believe he's dead.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:52 AM
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20. Agreed!!! I would bet he's still alive and well sipping Martinis with Osama and Poppy
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 09:54 AM
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21. And what about BARBARA OLSEN??? Where has TED OLSEN BEEN????
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:29 PM
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22. i think she really bit the dust on 911....no reason for her to fake her death......
too bad ann coulter wasn't flying with her that day.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:31 PM
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23. no reason?
really?
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:35 PM
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24. not that i know of.....was she in trouble with the law?
was she about to be sentenced to 50 years in jail or something?

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 06:40 PM
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26. This is one of the only conspiracy theories I subscribe to.
His death was faked. He is probably hanging out in the Bahamas or Argentina right now.
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