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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:06 PM
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Reactions to Obama "checking" Biden on the Justice Roberts dig earlier today?
When Biden said he didn't have the memory that Justice Roberts had when he was to read the oath to the executive staff, Obama reached over and held Joe's arm while giving a very understated "no" nod at the VP.

I've never seen a Pres do that before and I kind of like the fact that he did but I wonder if Biden's going to ttake it well/ It's never nice to be chastised on televion.

What do you think?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:09 PM
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1. I saw that. Obama was obviously not happy, but everyone else laughed.
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sammym3 Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:01 PM
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61. That's two!
Unless you don't count Jill's flap with O.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:09 PM
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2. I didn't see it, but if as you describe, it does not sit well with me, either
there's only so much more bullshit I'll tolerate like this. Fawn all over the fuckin creatins who shat all over this country, and chastise your own? Fuck that.
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:10 PM
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4. I loved it
I think they might have a good cop bad cop thing going and it works for me
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:12 PM
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6. you didn't see it, but you will react to 'as if you describe'...
why don't you find out exactly what happened, with your own eyes and ears, and then make a conclusion...

Q: 'what do you call a fairweather fan who is alreadly leaning in one direction?'...A: one of the other side
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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:16 PM
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14. Would you have described iit any differently?
I have mixed emotions on the moment and tried to describe it as accurately as I could.

This is not a slight on either man. I feel they were both doing what comes naturally for the both of them.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:34 PM
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37. i have no issue with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of your description...
that was neither here nor there...

i am generally amazed at conclusions based on second-hand information, which may or may not be accurate, neither of which case is known by the person making conclusive comments...
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:14 PM
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8. I'd rather the President really work on changing the tone in Washington, by starting w/ his own VP
and I LOVE Biden.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:15 PM
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11. That "creatin" will be leading the Supreme Court as long as Obama's in office,
barring his untimely death.

It is plain stupid to take potshots at him, and Obama is smart enough to realize that.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:15 PM
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12. I guess that's one way to see it
I saw it as very good of Obama. He's saying he's not going to let this be a typical presidency.

I think Biden said it in jest and didn't mean it in a snarky way, but this is just the sort of thing that Limbaugh and Beck tug off to. Instead of fostering another era of "gotcha" politics, Obama is focused on the job.
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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:18 PM
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18. I'm feeling very much as you do on the moment.
Obama is very conscious of what the media can and will do with moments like this and is trying his best not to alienate the pugs.
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Rage for Order Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 08:59 PM
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60. What has Roberts done that would be considered "shatting" on the country?
Aside from stumbling over some words in the inauguration, of course

It's an honest question. I'll admit I don't follow the Supreme Court very closely, but I can't think of many (any?) decisions from the court since Roberts became Chief Justice that have seemed completely F'd up.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:10 PM
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3. I think that Obama needs to lighten up.... It was meant in jest by Biden.....
Edited on Wed Jan-21-09 06:13 PM by LakeSamish706
and Obama should have taken it in that spirit. If Obama thinks that he is going to be able to work hand in hand with all Republicans, I think he is delusional.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:14 PM
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10. He's trying to change the tone by setting the example.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:15 PM
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13. I don't care about that, he needs to lighten up... Joe is on his side, Roberts is not. n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:18 PM
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17. You should care about that, its going to be the theme of Obama's term
Time to put childish things aside.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. It was meant in good fun by Biden and thats how Obama should have taken it. n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:22 PM
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21. Thats how Bush would have taken it. Its understandable that you're still in that type of mindset
eight years is a long time and old habits die hard.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Thats not it, I think if Roberts is that thin skinned then he is in the wrong job. n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. You're not getting it. Its not about hurting Robert's feelings, its about fostering a different tone
From the top to the bottom.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:29 PM
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30. I'm getting just fine, you foster whatever tone you want but you still have...
brain dead Republicans to put up with. Having Joe crack a slight joke in front of the WH staff should have been funny to Obama as well and it would have gone over much better than scowling at Joe. IMO
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:30 PM
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32. It wasn't in front of the staff, it was in front of the press and cameras
Once again, you can either repeat the cycle of stupidity, or you can change the tone. Obama has made his choice.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:32 PM
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36. "Good fun" at someone else's expense is not Obama's idea of "good fun," apparently.
I'm sorry Biden made the jibe, because it's not funny to pour water on a drowning man.

Since Roberts had already apologized for screwing up, it should have been quietly and forever dropped, imho.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Your assuming that Robert's didn't do it on purpose, but we will never know that. n/t
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:40 PM
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44. Roberts has been whining for months about wanting/deserving a raise.
Do you really think he would screw up that bad on purpose? I just don't think he would, since he's trying to convince people he's worth more money than he's getting.

"Cannot recite one complete sentence" is not going to look good in his employee file when Performance Review time rolls around.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Who decides their raises anyway? n/t
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. Really don't know -- but I'd bet the relevant deciders saw that oath live, and won't forget
how incompetent Roberts looked! And he knew it.

I think the guy's a jerk for screwing up, but he doesn't need to have salt rubbed into an already painful wound.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #44
63. If he's worried about money, then enter private practice...
...the SCOTUS is public service.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:36 PM
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68. At least Roberts doesn't complain about the job.
Thomas is the one who has made it clear he's unhappy being on the court -- his comment was "You can't make any money at it." Very crass, very straightforward.

The man has no idea what a great honor was mistakenly bestowed upon his undeserving head.

Roberts figures you CAN make money at it if you just keep whining about a raise persistently, I guess.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:11 PM
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52. I agree
It was funny without being mean. I understand if Obama didn't care for the humor, but he should not have shown his disapproval in public. He could have easily said something to Biden in private. I saw it on TV and it made me uncomfortable.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:44 PM
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47. Ding ding
The CJ had already apologized - move on.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:59 PM
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65. time to put away censorship, also.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:07 PM
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62. He's in for a rude awakening, too...
...They've already taken aim at him and have been trying to undermine him for months now.

Sen. Jeff Sessions' big "FU" to Obama during the inaugural parade is but one example of what's in store.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:16 PM
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15. It is delusional to think
that it is a good idea to make fun of a CJ who will be CJ as long as you are in office, affecting every Supreme Court decision that is made.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. I highly doubt that Roberts is going to lean in Obamas direction with any....
Edited on Wed Jan-21-09 06:21 PM by LakeSamish706
decisions anyway. As far as I am concerned Obama was way over the top in his reaction to the Biden jest today. Thats just my opinion though.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. There are many issues that don't easily divide along a liberal/conservative axis.
And I think Roberts could be the type to act on a personal grudge. Obama and Biden shouldn't take any gratuitous slaps at him.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #25
33. Then Impeach the fucker for screwing up in the first place, and problem solved. n/t
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #33
42. Get real. n/t
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #15
28. Are you suggesting that a Chief Justice is that petty, about decisions
in front of the Court?

Are you kidding?

And if you think that, and if Roberts is really that petty, then gloves off. imho.

Jeeeeeezuz!!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:12 PM
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5. I guess I understand Obama not wanting to highlight the error, but
Joe was making a joke! God knows he's not only done that all his life, but been the recipient of many too! I think Joe will take it fine. Tensions must be a bit high in the WH right now becaue they're working on sooo many very big problems and having to contend with a few ego crushed Pubs trying to hold up confirmations at the same time. Things will smooth out in a few weeks I'm sure.
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:13 PM
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7. I noticed that too
Biden should know Obama's style by now - Obama was gracious about Robert screw-up and I'm sure he doesn't want more attention being brought to oathgate.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:14 PM
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9. Is there a video link? Can't help but think both men were tired. n/t
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:58 PM
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49. Here's a link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

----------

Personally, after watching the clip at the link, it's a non-story. Reading this thread (before watching the clip) made it seem like a much bigger deal than "to my eyes" it actually was.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:02 PM
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69. Thanks. I agree.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:17 PM
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16. Obama was right. Biden took a gratutious shot AFTER Obama had put it behind him.
Joe has to learn to hold his powder on that sort of thing. Obama has serious work to do, and that kind of comment doesn't help.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #16
27. Obama has a lot to teach people -- including many here -- about tact
and diplomacy.

It's a great part of what's made him so successful.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:27 PM
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29.  Obama is pure CLASS nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:00 PM
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50. The instant it happened, Obama knew it would upstage the event.
This is where Obama is so smart. He knows that throwing a bone to one's loyalists is not going to get anything done positive today, and is going to undermine his message of the day.

Joe will learn and will adjust. I've always liked Joe, but being irreverent and funny while conducting official business is something to do behind closed doors, later, when joking around with close associates.
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Libertyfirst Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:22 PM
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22. Joe will take it in stride. He WANTS to do what Obama wants and the way Obama wants it done.
Joe is going to be of great value of Obama. And his sense of humor will help. I guess he shouldn't made the remark, but I laughed by butt off.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:22 PM
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23. Pot meet kettle
Joe, you should be the last to criticize one's gaffe.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:29 PM
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31. Obama's trying to be the grown up. Biden's having none of that
Biden is probably a little better versed in the good natured ribbing that goes with politics. I'm sure the president will loosen up once he's been on the job a while. Trying to be above reproach is probably part of his strategy of getting his appointees past the Senate Republicans' hijinx.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:31 PM
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34. the odd couple - levity and seriousness - both will balance n/t
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:31 PM
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35. Another non story
I wonder when some on this site will grow up and stop looking for bullshit snubs and controversies?
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:36 PM
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40. Shardik was asking for reactions. As shown by the responses, the reactions were wildly varied.
As we would expect on DU!
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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:17 PM
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72. Ka-ching.
Thanks.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:35 PM
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39. It seems to me that Obama just wanted to "let it go."
n/t
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:20 PM
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70. Like 99.999% of the country
And Biden is going to have his ears pinned back by Rahm...you don't break tone with the President.
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Brooklyns_Finest Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:37 PM
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41. I liked it.
Obama is showing that he doesn't take shit from anyone. That is what people respect. As a blackman, he does not have the option of being too casual or jokey. He has a serious job and is taking it seriously. Biden has a role to play, but he can easily be sent to the golf course for the duration of his vice presidency if he get carried away.

We are not there yet, but people asked how Obama was going to manage the big egos in his cabinet. This little snafu gives us a glimpse of what he is all about.
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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:40 PM
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45. Good points.
Welcome to DU.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:39 PM
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43. Joe will be fine with it, IMO.
He's a big boy, and its important for him and others to understand the tone President Obama intends to set.

Joe and all will likely have to forego some good jokes, but it will certainly be worth it! And maybe some will keep logs of 'the lines that got away.'
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:05 PM
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51. I'm sure Obama is aware that Biden doesn't know when to shut up
and is likely to put his foot in it repeatedly over the next 4 years.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:21 PM
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53. (LINK) I didn't catch that at ALL the first time I saw it but I just went back and...
...watched it and you're right although I didn't see Obama do any nodding after touching Biden's arm.

Link to CNN video

 I think Biden was actually trying to ruffle Obama's feathers. He didn't even look at him when Obama touched his arm. I have no earthly reason to believe that there would be any friction between them, but that's how it looked: Like Biden and Obama had been discussing it earlier and Biden didn't think it was a big deal but Obama did- and so Biden made the joke anyway and Obama did not want him to go there.

 Of course, we now know it was because he was going to redo the oath a few hours later in the evening and he took it seriously enough to have it redone.

PB
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:32 PM
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54. I simply saw it as funny man/straight man
Or maybe like Tommy and Dicky Smothers. I'm sure they've discussed and laughed about the inauguration flub. They've probably made jokes about how Biden was really the prez for the last 1.5 days, because Obama's oath "wasn't valid". By that time they also knew Roberts was coming to the WH to redo the oath.

All three of these guys are attorneys...I'm a retired attorney...and I can tell you, by virtue of our education we've got thick skins and we appreciate each others' snarkiness. Roberts probably thinks nothing of Biden's comment, knowing it was in jest, and Obama was just playing straight man.
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trayfoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:35 PM
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55. I did see it and didn't quite like it.........
President Obama should have chastised him in private - not on public tv. I also see why Obama didn't like it, but there's a time and place for everything.
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MO_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 08:27 PM
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58. I didn't like it much, either.
I thought he was disrespectful of VP Biden. Vice President is a constitutional office and he should be treated as an adult and with respect, not as a misbehaving child.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:37 PM
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56. The President already went through a round of worthless attacks about his Nancy Regan seance quip
He knows its a distraction from the business at hand.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:37 PM
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57. It's Obama's band. Play his tunes. n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 08:30 PM
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59. Total horseshit issue.
Nobody cares except Fox News.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:14 PM
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64. Biden seemed a bit pissy in the clip I saw
Everyone has to admit that he can be a bit verbose. Read the fucking oath and move on Joe, get it done.

Also Obama is going to take a very high road and he and everyone working for him needs to get that. I found it interesting that he went out of his way to single out Sean Hannity a few times during the campaign. IMO he is looking to pick a fight with Hannity and publicly humiliate the guy. He doesn't need anyone on his team playing the same game. And making fun of opponents mistake is not helpful.

Think about it, fighting with Rush doesn't have the same impact, if he humiliates Hannity he humiliates Fox News.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:02 PM
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66. I think it's a non story, after viewing the video.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:18 PM
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67. Both men were acting out of their individual personality traits. Biden is more of a jokester and
Obama is more conscientious. Neither is right or wrong, and people act out of habit, which very rarely changes. Expect to see more of this. It is what it is.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:52 AM
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71. I didn't think he checked him....it was more like okay let's get on
with this. There would have been a major story had Obama laughed at his joke. The same people running around saying he wasn't president etc. would have been discussing that. He's going to be held to a higher standard. He did the right thing. Let Joe be Joe and Barack be Barack.
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