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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:12 PM
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this story is tragic- about a football player at a local high school
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/0109/587569.html the whole county is upset! pot should not be illegal. a local football hero, great kid gets busted for selling pot to feed his family. convicted-facing 12 years. we've got to change those laws right away!!! :spank: any comment & publicity this case can get may help... do what your heart leads you to. grannie
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:14 PM
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1. What can we do? Is there a legal defense fund for them?
Where do I send cash???
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:24 PM
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7. complain about the laws - maybe post on the story?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:04 PM
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23. No I want to contribute to that victim's legal defense
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:27 PM
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27. i'll try to find out for you -wow- some people are so kind!!!
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:06 PM
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31. I'm still employed
Gotta do what I can WHILE I can!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:17 PM
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2. Selling drugs to minors
within 1,000 feet of a school? 12 years is too much, but he certainly isn't innocent.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:23 PM
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5. In most urban areas, *everyplace* is within 1,000 feet of a school.
In fact, it's possible that dealers might congregate in the few locations that *aren't* within 1,000 feet of a school. Similarly, sex offenders registered under "Megan's Law" and its clones often find there's noplace they can live except in a Ted Kaczynski-style cabin way out in the sticks.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:31 PM
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12. A school every 3 blocks? Really?
Maybe the problem with city school funding is that there are too many if there's really one every 3 blocks. :sarcasm:

You won't win drug law changes if you don't uphold the most basic common sense laws, like not selling drugs at school.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:38 PM
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15. At least here, it's pretty close to that.
There is no school bus service on O'ahu, except for special needs students, because most families live within easy reach of an elementary school; middle and high school students ride (and overload) the public bus.

And in, say, NYC, yes, there probably is a school every six blocks (not three, because it's 1,000 feet on each side).
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:43 PM
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19. I've lived in cities, medium and small towns
With and without bus service. And, no, there is not a school every 3 blocks, every 6 blocks, or even every 10 blocks.

We will make no progress if people keep relying on phony talking points.

This kids sold drugs to kids near a school, and probably in school. No sympathy.
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:25 PM
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8. he went to that school
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:32 PM
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13. And so?
It's okay if he sells drugs to kids as long as its kids he goes to school with?
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:39 PM
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16. it was pot- i'm sorry it should not be illegal!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:40 PM
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17. It should be legal to sell it to minors? at school? n/t
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:41 PM
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18. if it were legal they could all grow their own-so bug off
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:44 PM
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20. Kids growing their own pot?
Is ok with you??

And you think *I'm* the one with the problem?

:crazy:

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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:24 PM
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24. i guess you didn't smoke pot when you were 18
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:25 PM
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25. Which is relevant how?
And since when are all kids in a school 18?
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:26 PM
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26. they are doing just what you did!!!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:28 PM
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28. And that doesn't make it legal or sensible n/t
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:34 PM
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29. it's not worthy of jail time!!- i've read you doing this to other posters
Edited on Wed Jan-21-09 06:35 PM by grannie4peace
i think you do have a problem & it's not me :) :)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:42 PM
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30. Doing what to other posters? Telling them they're wrong?
Too bad some DUers can't handle being confronted when they're being stupid.

You're wrong. Selling drugs to kids will always be, and should always be, a criminal offense.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:48 PM
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21. Worse actually - it says he is a former student
selling drugs to school kids.

Charges on such things vary by state - it is hard to believe that he would really get 12 years if this is a first offense and he was never in trouble before.

I wonder if the op knows more. He may not be a really bad person - but just having been a standout sports star does not make a person a good person.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 06:00 PM
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22. Good people go to jail all the time
Usually good people who do stupid things, and don't understand what has happened with some of these sentencing laws where judges don't have any discretion to reduce sentences anymore. I think the school zone law is federal too, with even less leeway, iirc.

I think one of the most unfair things we do to kids is to have them picking up trash for an infraction when they're 17, and then throw the book at them when they turn 18. Sometimes the irrationality of what gets a long sentence makes no sense either. But we could at least warn kids, give them an overview of the most frequently broken laws or something.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:17 PM
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3. Frankly
most people don't look as kindly on someone who sells drugs rather than merely uses them. Especially when it is 1000 feet from a school. Also, it doesn't say "feed his family" it says that he wanted to eat better than what they were feeding him, which was admittedly meager rations.

Yes, the laws should be changed, but it seemed to me if the kid had gotten 1001 feet away from this school, he wouldn't be in such big trouble. Are you merely advocating that pot laws be changed, or are you advocating for a lesser distance radius from a school (or none at all)?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:18 PM
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4. Not happy to read about this insanity.
CAn any one else in their mid-fifties beleive that marijuana is still illegal?

And twelve years for selling such a minor amount?
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AthiestLeader Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:24 PM
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6. 12 years with a just cause?
I mean it's only schedule II. This actually reminds me of the book outsiders. Quiet sad and yes we should change the laws right away.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:25 PM
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9. Did a little further research:
http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=9708493&nav=men...

And it says that he sold twice to an undercover agent, presumably not one of his buddies. It also says that he's facing "up to" five years for the felonies. Is that enough of a sentence reduction for you?

Looks like his lame-ass attorney tried to use some sort of "cute" theory of calculating the 1000 feet. If he gets a half-intelligent attorney for an appeal or to handle the sentencing hearing, he might be looking at a lot less than five years.

Sounds like he's the poster child for stupid here. Maybe others will take notice and conduct their 'business' with regard to the applicable zoning. That might have been the prosecutor's point.
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:28 PM
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10. you should see the way some lawyers take advantage of the blacks in this area.
i know from the personal experience of my friends. & they never do me like that! :grr:
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:31 PM
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11. What does "football hero" have to do with it?
O.J. was a football hero, too. Apply the laws equally across the board.
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:33 PM
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14. nothing -you sound like my younger sister!
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