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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:19 AM
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Breaking on CNN: The draft order on Guantanamo calls for it to be closed within a year
Just reported on CNN, no link yet.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:20 AM
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1. good news
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:21 AM
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2. Oh - that soon.
:sarcasm:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:22 AM
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5. That's Actually Quite Ambitious And Honorable.
I don't expect the feeble minded to understand that though...
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:30 AM
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11. No its not.
If the USA wanted to detain those there in the first place they should've done so on the mainland which is where they should be moved to now and that wouldn't need a year.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:31 AM
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12. See Disclaimer.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:31 AM
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14. You actually think they can close it overnight?
Sucks to be you.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:47 AM
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19. Well no shit we shouldn't have done it in the first place. Bush's fuck-ups are myriad and serious
and, as in the case of Gitmo, are not as easily unwound as we may like. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be done, and it doesn't mean the it won't be done, but it isn't as simple as snapping your fingers and wishing it to be so, unfortunately.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:27 AM
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9. As nice as it would be to be able to wave a magic wand and close Gitmo down, that's not how it works
How long do you think it should take? A day? A week? Six months?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:38 AM
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16. How long did it take
for the USA to clear out of Beirut in 1984 ? Four months ?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:42 AM
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17. Two completely different issues
Pulling out of Beirut did not involve the legal issues that shutting down Gitmo does.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:50 AM
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22. I appreciate your input
although I must confess I don't understand the legalities. In some or even most case those there have been held illegally anyway so I don't really see the law being of much help. I'll be interested to see what the USA subsequently does with the lease from Cuba.

I think you may understand that it is the issue of Gitmo which maybe more than else has demeaned the world's view of the USA since c. 2002.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:27 PM
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23. Here's the simple version for you.
One, we need to establish some way of sorting actual dangerous prisoners from goatherds and taxi drivers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Either that's by a set of legal criteria, or by the judgement of a person or group of people. Evaluating those cases is going to be a lengthy process.

Then, we need a system that allows us to do something about the guys who are actually dangerous without having to rely on inadmissible evidence gained from torture. Maybe that's keeping them ourselves, maybe it's shipping them to their country of origin. That determination has to be made too, weighing all the facts available and more importantly the legal and moral implications of each individual decision. All of this is going to take time.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:44 AM
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18. We weren't holding several hundred prisoners with incredibly complex legal staus in Beirut.
Bush has created a complicated mess with Gitmo, and that can't be ignored.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:50 AM
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21. So start the impeachment petition already...
:eyes:

One more for the ignore list.
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:21 AM
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3. This is excellent news! Pres. Obama promised he'd work on closing
Gitmo the moment he was in office, and he came through. I wish it could close quicker than that, but I understand that it takes time to close that horrible place. Still, a year is better than nothing.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:22 AM
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4. Try the detainees or release if there's not enough evidence to try them.
nt

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:24 AM
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7. Remember, the evidence is in a mess.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:26 AM
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8. Ok....release them to where?
The problem is that a lot of countries won't take these prisoners back...and we can't exactly drop them off in Cleveland.

The Bush Administration created not just a legal nightmare with Gitmo, but a logistical one as well.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:28 AM
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10. To Bush or Cheney's neighborhood
preferably.

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:23 AM
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6. Closing it down is a painstaking process
No one should just assume that everyone there is innocent, but nor is everyone there necessarily guilty. We don't know because there has not been due process. Closing Gitmo is the first step toward having due process for these prisoners (or whatever we are supposed to call them).
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:33 AM
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15. Exactly.
and that Obama is moving toward closing it on his first day in office is a very good thing, despite the moronic bitching of some ignorant folks.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:31 AM
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13. thank you Mr. President
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:49 AM
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20. that`s going to take a lot of doing
but these guys and gals ain`t going to screw around. once obama`s people are put in place the "inmates" will be transfered to the federal system or released.
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:29 PM
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24. Pardon my ignorance on this matter...
But is this just the prison section getting closed down, or the whole military base. I, for one, see no need of a US base in Cuba. It's a cold war relic and has no real strategic purpose at this point.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:34 PM
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25. I can't imagine we are closing down the base
Our lease goes into perpetuity.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 12:53 PM
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26. Into perpetuity
for "coaling and naval purposes only." Alternative use, such as at present, is a breach of the lease.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 01:06 PM
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27. Well, I don't see it going to court any time soon
Anyway, closing the prison is a necessity.
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