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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:23 PM
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Why We Have to Look Back ...by John Conyers
This week, I released "Reining in the Imperial Presidency," a 486-page report detailing the abuses and excesses of the Bush administration and recommending steps to address them. Arthur Schlesinger Jr. popularized the term "imperial presidency" in the 1970s to describe an executive who had assumed more power than the Constitution allows and circumvented the checks and balances fundamental to our three-branch system of government. Until recently, the Nixon administration seemed to represent a singular embodiment of the idea. Unfortunately, it is clear that the threat of the imperial presidency lives on and, indeed, reached new heights under George W. Bush.

As this report documents, there was the administration's contrived drive to a needless war of aggression with Iraq, based on manipulated intelligence and facts that were "fixed around the policy." There was its politicization of the Justice Department; unconscionable and possibly illegal policies on detention, interrogation and extraordinary rendition; warrantless wiretaps of American citizens; the ravaging of our regulatory system and the use of signing statements to override the laws of the land; and the intimidation and silencing of critics and whistle-blowers who dared to tell fellow citizens what was being done in their name. And all of this was hidden behind an unprecedented veil of secrecy and outlandish claims of privilege.

I understand that many feel we should just move on. They worry that addressing these actions by the Bush administration will divert precious energy from the serious challenges facing our nation. I understand the power of that impulse. Indeed, I want to move on as well -- there are so many things that I would rather work on than further review of Bush's presidency. But in my view it would not be responsible to start our journey forward without first knowing exactly where we are.

We cannot rebuild the appropriate balance between the branches of government without fully understanding how that relationship has been distorted. Likewise, we cannot set an appropriate baseline for future presidential conduct without documenting and correcting the presidential excesses that have just occurred. After the Nixon imperial presidency, critical reviews such as the Church and Pike committees led to fundamental reforms that have served our nation well. Comparable steps are needed to begin the process of reining in the legacy of the Bush imperial presidency. I consider these three points crucial:

First, Congress should continue to pursue its document requests and subpoenas that were stonewalled under President Bush. Doing so will make clear that no executive can forever hide its misdeeds from the public.

Second, Congress should create an independent blue-ribbon panel or similar body to investigate a host of previously unreviewable activities of the Bush administration, including its detention, interrogation and surveillance programs. Only by chronicling and confronting the past in a comprehensive, bipartisan fashion can we reclaim our moral authority and establish a credible path forward to meet the complex challenges of a post-Sept. 11 world.

Third, the new administration should conduct an independent criminal probe into whether any laws were broken in connection with these activities. Just this week, in the pages of this newspaper, a Guantanamo Bay official acknowledged that a suspect there had been "tortured" -- her exact word -- in apparent violation of the law. The law is the law, and, if criminal conduct occurred, those responsible -- particularly those who ordered and approved the violations -- must be held accountable.

More at: http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/

Go John! From your Mouth to Obama's ears... I will not make an ear joke now. :)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:24 PM
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1. Lean on him, John. We're a country of laws, not men.
Like Russell leaning on Chamberlain, we need to keep the pressure on.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:29 PM
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2. K &R. n/t
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:30 PM
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3. K&R
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:32 PM
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4. Over the years I had hoped that Conyers was just biding his time
For the longest time it looked like he had caved into the Republican agenda and had become another Bush enabler.

Hopefully others will follow suit.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:44 PM
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5. Conyers you can't be serious
Does this guy actually believe that we take him serious anymore? Mr. Conyers you can stop the charade you had your chance and you chose to abrogate the law and moral authority when you chose to put impeachment off the table. Despite the mountain of evidence against both the president and vice president you said no to the law. As far as I am concerned Sir your word isn't worth anything and you're derelict of your sworn duty.

Sorry, I was browsing through to see what post I would respond to with my first post. After seeing this I just had to add my rant to it. Conyers is a big disappointment as far as I am concerned.



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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:51 PM
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6. Yes he has been a disappointment but now is a new day.
Let's hope in this endeavor he is earnest and sincere. We need for the Justice Dept to actually become the "Justice Dept" and not the "Just Us Dept" that is has been for the last eight years..We need for people like Conyers and Whitehouse to make this so..
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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:52 PM
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7. Welcome to DU...
In Conyer's place, I will choose to look forward. I have no idea of the pressures put on Conyers, but I imagine there was a lot related to not alienating the centrist voters during the election. Now that it's over, John is able to carry on.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:27 PM
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9. Thank you Just A Yeller Dawg for your welcome
But I afraid I have no faith in someone who chooses to abrogate his sworn duty. I come from a poor family here in southern california and grew up in a poor neighborhood. I bring that up because many of the guys I grew up with became gang members and even a gang member is expected to keep their oath to his hommies even if it means going to prison. Not that I am defending gangs or anything like that. But the point is if Conyers can't even keep his oath what value do I place on his word? Not much if any.

I guess coming from poverty and not having much makes a person see things differently, I don't know. But I do know that he sat by and did nothing when it was his turn to do the right thing. His choice was no. Its easy to choose to do the right thing when there's no danger of personal consequences. Many people before him chose to do the right thing even when it mean going to jail. Conyers wasn't in danger of going to jail and really wasn't in danger of alienating anybody given the poll numbers against both Bush and Cheney. His choice to me shows that he's either party to supporting the culture of corruption, or, is too concerned about himself over right vs wrong and all the victims of Bush's policies. So to me it comes as no surprise that someone of this character would be coming out after all danger is gone and start saber rattling. I see it as just a stunt to try and undo the image he created for himself when he chose to hide instead of standing up.

So that's my thoughts on this. It may not be the popular thought but its my thoughts on it. Thanks again Just A Yeller Dawg for your welcome.


:hi:
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Shardik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:31 PM
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10. Your welcome.
Even if we might disagree, it's great to see you make a good argument with logic and candor.

I'm sure you'll be an asset to the board.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:54 PM
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13. Thanks again
:dem:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 01:54 PM
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8. Congressman John ..... you've TWO YEARS to do this .....
I am very disappointed in your lack of action.
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:33 PM
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11. Anyone who believes Conyers is working for us
is either delusional or willfully ignorant.

That rat bastard led everyone on, loved the attention of activists until the 2006 election when he actually had the power to do something and put on the brakes ASAP. He has lost all credibility. Every stupid excuse he came up with was pathetic.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 07:39 PM
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15. He even had activists arrested when they came to his office.
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 02:36 PM
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12. let me just add...
Martin Luther King JR would be horribly ASHAMED of John Conyers. He is a pathetic excuse for the head of the Judiciary Committee. It is sad he was not removed from office but no one even ran against him, and that is the fault of Americans. It is time for us to look at the entire US Congress and replace them all.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 03:55 PM
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14. I've lost faith in Conyers. Been disappointed too many times.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-09 07:41 PM
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16. Conyers should quit talking and start investigating...
Put up or shut the fuck up, John. You are two fucking years too late.
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