Jesus Camp On Biography Channel. Scary Shit

[Dinger]

Why am I watching? Damn, this makes me sick. I feel so sorry for those kids!:-(

[patrice]

1. Future Timothy McVeighs.

[MajorChode]

23. Still a hero of the right.

If you want to have some fun, get a righty drunk and start a conversation by saying, "You know, I don't agree with what Tim McVeigh did, but I can kinda understand where he was coming from." Then sit back and enjoy the response. See how long you can listen with a straight face.

[patrice]

28. Truth be known, there aren't THAT many of them who are uncomfortable with what TM did.

Look at it; it's the same logic that's behind the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq. There just are lots of people who cannot see the value of things unless suffering, pain, death, and destruction are involved. Many (most?) of them call themselves "Christians" and if you ask them (and I have) what about Innocent Iraqis (or Innocent Palestinians) they give you some shit about "God's Will". For these people, the New Testament NEVER happened.

[MajorChode]

36. If God is by your side, who can possibly stand against you?

There is really no need to try and reason with those who use religion to justify hate, bigotry, violence, or indifference to those less fortunate. They aren't reasonable people to begin with. The only need is that they be marginalized and ridiculed both politically and socially at every given opportunity. It's exactly what they deserve.

[yardwork]

38. Why do you think the U.S. killed him so fast? He was the poster boy for the right.

[patrice]

2. Looks like Lord of the Flies time.

[Dinger]

3. There's Always The Watching-Paint-Dry Channel

I'll have to try that.

[tularetom]

4. That thing is about 3 years old

By now the little mullet boy has experienced puberty and the last thing he's thinkin about is jeebus.

Of course the lady that runs the place is probably just as nutty as ever. SHE is probably still fantasizing about jeebus doing unspeakable things to her.

[patrice]

5. Nope. The mullet boy is a natural fascist. He's probably further along

in his journey to make everyone in America be like him.

[valerief]

6. I watched two minutes. Couldn't take any more. Too morbid. nt

[patrice]

7. Love that last shot of the little girl "enraptured" raising her hands in prayer, she checked to see

whether the videographer was on the close up shot of her face, raised her eyes back up to "heaven" and THEN blinked to get the tears to overflow and run down her cheek.

[patrice]

8. We had a ballot initiative here in the GE for "Righteous Judges"

It was defeated. I expect it back.

[Kansas Wyatt]

33. They won't be happy until they get to decide everything.

Mandatory church service at the Mega-Church, supervised cameras in your bedroom, etc. etc.

[patrice]

34. They ARE Blasphemers and if they get their way they will produce more WEAK "Christians"

not Real Christians. Look at the works of Stanley Milgram and Philip Zimbardo; they're research subjects were QUITE likely "Christians" - what Milgram & Zimbardo did explains much about the Invasion & Occupation of Iraq.

These people are sooooooooo against Government, that is, until their Government tells them to KILL. They support that with fevered eagerness: "God's" Warriors are BLASPHEMERS. If Christianity submits to them it will get weaker and weaker and weaker, until it collapses just like the Soviet Union.

[Sal316]

9. Here's your irony bomb from that movie....

....the segment featuring Ted Haggard.

[patrice]

10. TH speaking about his ministry, "It's a fabulous life!" nt

[Sebastian Doyle]

11. " I know what you did last night" - Pastor Ted

Well Ted.... whatever it was, I know it wasn't snorting meth off a male prostitute's ass. :rofl:

[patrice]

12. Oh! So that's what a fabulous life is!!!

:rofl:

[Initech]

15. I know what you did last night!

I'm sure he does! :rofl:

[patrice]

13. Did you notice how much mullet boy was LOVIN' Haggard's stage after the service. nt

[madfloridian]

14. On again at 2:00 am eastern

I am going to record it so I can watch it in segments. Tried before, couldn't watch much at a time.

[murielm99]

18. I know what you mean.

I got it from Netflix a couple of years ago. I cried during parts of it.

I did not warn my husband how hard it was to watch. He was devastated.

The little blond boy got to me. I think it is because my son looked like him when he was small. He was a sensitive kid, too.

My kids went to church camp. They loved every minute of it. They told me that they have had some of their strongest spiritual experiences at that camp. It was the camp my husband attended when he was a boy. I worked as a cook there one summer. It is a wonderful place, run by compassionate people who love children.

[madfloridian]

19. Growing up Southern Baptist, I went to church camp every summer

until I was in high school. Everyone did. We went to the mountains in NC to a huge camp there with large buildings and chapels. It was a heartwarming and loving experience. I doubt it is that way today.

We went on trips to the beach for picnics, and the pastors took their water skiing boats and we all water skiied. It was community, and it was welcoming.

That's what makes watching this movie so hard....what used to be.

[MajorChode]

22. Jesus was a pacifist who advocated the rich giving to the poor

What you describe still exists. I don't think it's fair to say the behavior demonstrated in the documentary is indicative of all Christians. What I have observed is the most hard core Christers are those who are "born again". In other words, they participated in a lot of sinful activities earlier in life that they feel guilty for, and the only thing that keeps them on the straight and narrow is strict Christian fundamentalism. Typically they force their warped ideas on their children with the expectation it will keep them from "making the same mistakes." The reality is quite often the reverse of their intentions. In extreme cases they even use fundamentalism to hide the most extreme perversions like incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and necrophilia. You see some of this in hard core groups similar to the Branch Dividians and FLDS. So long as you can justify your perversions by saying God told you to do it, who can argue? Certainly not the political right.

[patrice]

29. Jesus died because he was tooooo FREE, from both his church and his state.

He was upsetting their power-base so they cooperated in killing him.

[madfloridian]

35. Unfortunately..

one of those who is the most hardcore is head of the Southern Baptist seminary. He was a nice guy who became a victim of the church's takeover. He is anti-birth control, thinks people must have children to please God, anti-gay, thinks women must submit to their husbands.

He says "This contraceptive mentality is an insidious attack upon God's glory in creation, and the Creator's gift of procreation to the married couple.".

[MajorChode]

37. There is no nut like a religious nut

I can almost empathize with those who are against abortion from a moral standpoint. However when you get right down to it, is anyone actually FOR more abortions? The problem I have is the methods many of them employ simply guarantee there will be more abortions. Many of the same people on the right are against all alternatives. They are against teaching sex ed in school, making contraception widely available, providing social programs to the poor outside of the church, or anything else that has proven to be effective in preventing unwanted pregnancies. Instead they favor methods that have been proven NOT to work, denying access to contraception in all forms, and even denying basic health care in areas where infant mortality is as high as the worst 3rd world countries. If that's not truly evil, I'm not sure what is. There's too many who confuse religion with morality. They aren't the same thing and neither guarantees the other.

[yardwork]

39. I hope that all the kids in my neighborhood who go to Vacation Bible School

aren't being taught what the kids in Jesus Camp are being taught. That hadn't really occurred to me...

[Obamanaut]

41. I started dating the future ms usnret88 whilst in a church bowling

league. I am a non believer, and she dated me anyway. One of her brothers performed our marriage ceremony, another was best man. Now, so many of that old group (including the in-laws) have devolved into borderline fundy-ism, and the only church wifey goes to is the nursing home chapel services with her 93 year old mom. I still am an non believer, and we've been married one month short of 41 years.

[Initech]

16. Yup that movie was scary shit.

Today's brainwashed youth = tomorrow's murderous dictators.

[patrice]

31. They're also going to be the ones making decisions about our old-age and

given their enchantment with Power and DEATH, what kind of answers do you think they're going to come up with when a judgement call is needed in the care of those who have no advocates, or uncaring advocates? There are many uses of morphine that are completely legal under medical supervision and publicly justifiable, especially in financial systems that are under strain from increased numbers of people (Boomers) diagnosed with Dementia in the system. Look at growth in the Hospice INDUSTRY. What we are looking at in this movie will be the leaders of one of the FEW growth BUSINESS enterprises there is.

It's time for "Pro-Life" to get HONEST.

[Mari333]

17. meanwhile, jesus

[firedupdem]

20. I'm watching it now...I guess it's a replay...wow...

they must start these kids off as infants. My boys would have been like....ummm we're going outside to play now...see ya later!

[hyphenate]

21. I started to watch

But got about ten minutes in and had to stop. When it comes to fundies and their sheer hypocrisy, I can't keep it inside. I think I watched until the smirking woman got up at the end of the children's dance number and was telling people to go buy something from the store.

It's a mess--our country is getting more and more fanatical, and they are influencing many would never have found themseles in such a trap before. It's sad, but unless some of this could be turned around, I'd feel hopeful we, as a nation, could make it. But I don't think that as much right now.

[Pryderi]

24. I wonder if they'll pray for Obama with a cardboard cutout...n/t

[HeeBGBz]

25. We have some kind of Baptist convention in town

A big group of them came into where I work. There was one kid about 12 who had a t-shirt on that said, "Satan is a Nerd".

I'm still trying to figure that one out.

[comtec]

32. They hate smart people

pretty much is what that means.
it's a jocks' only kinda thing.
You know, those muscle heads from high school, complete fucking morons, but all the girls wanted them?
Then they leave HS/ college - their foolball skills worth dick-all, and they have the 'nerds' because they actually went to school to LEARN!
that's the mentality of that poor boy's asshole parents.
the fear of the smart.

Joshua ben Joseph of Nazareth was a good, kind and smart man. His ideas were far ahead of his time - the way he said them - yet very typical of the stories of the "old testament".

People like these morans like to ignore/forget that he was a RABBI, and had a VERY intimate understanding of the Torah, and understood it's lessons very well. The old testament, when taken as allegories, fables, and stories (most Jews understand it's not a LITERAL word of god, but allagories of what happened to people, and explainations of how we got here) about the world around them, and what they saw.

While not Illiad-level accurate, it was a reasonable oral history, for some parts. Most of it was a larger story meant to convey that forgiveness nad kindness work out in teh end. That faith to god above all else is important, and that you need to express that faith while being good and charitable to others. That forgiveness is god's real gift to humanity.

The free will not only to act evil, but the free will to forgive evil if repented - story of Joseph and his Technicolor coat ;) was about forgiveness and using the talents you are born with. About accepting those tho are smarter and different (david). About loving your brothers (his sob brothers who sold him into slavery) and taking care of your family because they ARE family.

what these people worship has nothing to do with the bible, or any testaments. they ARE the pharisees we were warned about in the gospels.

"Dear god, Jesus, whomever... please protect me from your fan club. A-men."

[peacebird]

26. wonder what happened to those kids? Did they become disillusioned after Haggards gaysex/meth story?

Did they rebel as teens?

I saw it last night - that movie was seriously disturbing.....

[carlyhippy]

27. Brainwashing extremists

The God I worship wouldn't think this is right at all. That woman was just scaring those kids, scaring them into submission.

[ThatsMyBarack]

30. Why the fuck is Jesus Camp on the BIOGRAPHY channel?!?!111!>?!

This movie was bad enough on DVD. The worst part for me was when the kids were cuddling the plastic "fetuses", and then they stopped to worship a life-size cardboard cutout of GWB. :puke: X 10!

[TWiley]

40. Did you notice they were driving a "Blazer" to Hell?

[Dinger]

42. "Children Of The Corn"

In fact, that levi kid looks and sounds like he was made for that movie.