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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:39 AM
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MUST read LTTE in my local paper about Gay Marriage. An excellent one to share!
http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/letters/story/13423...

Raleigh, NC News and Observer - Published: Mon, Dec. 22, 2008 12:30AM

I wish to applaud The N&O for printing Arnold H. Loewy's Dec. 1 Point of View "The logic of gay marriage."

Loewy well-articulated the conflict between marriage as a faith-based sacrament and marriage as a civil concept. I do not believe that there is any other event in religious life that brings this degree of legal rights. We have painfully learned that when citizens are entitled to different civil rights by law, discrimination and prejudice often follow.

Since we appear unable to grant the same legal rights provided by marriage to all our citizens, perhaps those rights should be eliminated. That would include marital benefits in the areas of consent and visitation, inheritance, children, taxes and insurance coverage. Then all would be truly equal in terms of their civil rights as citizens without a "redefining" of marriage. Faith institutions are free to continue to define marriage as each denomination sees fit.

I doubt there are many married citizens who would be supportive of equality on those terms.

In the eyes of the law, marriage is a contractual arrangement with legal rights and responsibilities, not a religious institution. How can those legal rights not belong to everyone?

Ann Nichols, Raleigh



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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:44 AM
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1. good argument
I especially liked the fact that Ann pointed out that marriage is the only religious rite that overlaps legal rights. Maybe explaining what it is like to NOT have those rights and threaten to take them away is the only way to get through to some people.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:45 AM
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3. I think it is an excellent argument and one I can't believe I haven't heard before.
Makes me want to say: Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:44 AM
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2. Kicking so it doesn't die. Needs exposure (and copying to pass around!)
:kick:
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:49 AM
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4. Ann Nichols
is spot on - especially in the question she asks at the end.

K&R
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:51 AM
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5. Excellent. k&r
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:54 AM
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6. As a single individual, I've often asked that. Often said that those who are unmarried are more
than discriminated against. Just try to book a tour as a single person!
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:00 PM
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7. Love your Bertrand Russell quote!
:thumbsup:
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:52 AM
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12. Reminds me of a line from Yeats's "The Second Coming":
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity. (7-8)
Doesn't that sound exactly like our situation--especially the part about the best lacking all conviction?
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:02 PM
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8. This deserves a Greatest Page R and a kick!
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:04 PM
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9. I love an iron clad argument!
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:15 PM
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10. I have read several LTTE proposing civil unions by government and marriage by religious groups.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 03:51 PM
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11. Kicking for the later crowd
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 09:58 AM
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13. Bravo, Ms. Nichols. You astound me with your eloquence.
:hi:
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-23-08 10:10 AM
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14. Excellent letter and really nails the central issue which is
lost amidst all the religious posturing. The states recognize marriage in civil terms, not as a religious institution. Gay marriage is a civil rights issue.

Those behind the anti Prop 8 campaign should have hit hard on this and didn't.
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