If ya can't bitch about political shit here, then where CAN you?

[Stinky The Clown]

Especially here and now.

We just won a nice election. Wall to wall Our Side.

Now we have EVERY FUCKING RIGHT to say what's on our minds.

If you don't like the Inagural Invocator, it is OKAY to say so. Not liking that is not equal to calling for Obama to be unelected.

If you do't like a cabinet choice, why not say what you think? Is there some reason to think that doing so will cause Obama to stay in Chicago?

Get a grip, people. He's a human. He'll do good shit and he'll do bad shit. The bottom line is where we are in two years. If, along the way, a few chains get yanked - or maybe even something gets reversed or changed - so what?

But if you wanna throw under the bus those who prefer not to have a pandering piece of shit like Warren speak at the inauguration WE worked hard to effect, bite me.

If you wanna favor his sorry ass over the MILLIONS of gay people who he offends, bite me.

If you argue with me about the transportation secretary of the defense secretary or the secretary of state or any other pick, kindly do so on the merits. If you just wanna do it to do it, bite me.

The people who post on this board have a STAKE in this presidency. People on this board are informed (mostly) and passionate. They have EVERY RIGHT to say what they think.

And get this ...... NOBODY ..... N O B O D Y here ..... has to "wait' or get over it.

If you think so, bite me.

[Bucky]

1. Thank you.

Perfectly said. "Get over it" is a stupid thing to say to someone who just lost their civil rights. It's the intellectual equivalent of saying "Did you forget the sarcasm tag?".

[readmoreoften]

2. Thank you. I'm so sick of the authoritarian bullshit. If a politician screws me, I'll fight back.

If any politician makes a decision against civil rights, choice, or working class interests, I will oppose that politician. That's how change happens. That's the only way it ever happened and the only way it ever will happen. Change comes from pressure moving to the top from below. If you don't want that, you want enlightened dictatorship.

[Mike 03]

3. In theory you are right, and this is a great post.

You know, in practice, there are unpopular views here, and if you dare say them you are toast, or at least totally ignored and blacklisted.

EDIT:

Rec, for sure.

[blm]

4. It HAD to be said, Husb...thanks for saying it.

.

[Raschel]

13. I think that has happened with alot of forums.

It seems that when forums were new people were excited to find out that others out there shared their views. Conversation seemed to be truly thoughtful and ideas explored and discussed.

Now it seems to have turned toxic. There is more name calling and plain unwillingness to DISCUSS differences of opinion. Blech.

[readmoreoften]

15. Differences of opinion are one thing. Fundamental political stances are another.

I can have a fundamental difference with someone on the best way to fight poverty, corruption, and denial of civil rights For example: More money for advertising or more money for practical programs? Is capitalism broken or is it designed to impoverish the working class. Those are CONVERSATIONS that can be had.

But I'm not willing to DISCUSS civil rights with anti-gay bigots anymore than I am willing to DISCUSS that African-Americans aren't subhuman with the Klan or that the Holocaust wasn't 'overblown' with Nazi sympathizers.

If you think that those are just "discussion topics" that are acceptable within the Democratic party, then this party has no principles and I have no reason to be a member.

[Raschel]

24. You're right, human rights aren't up for debate. I plead guilty to using this thread to post my

thoughts on the state of forums.

[autorank]

42. That's not what the OP said

He's not in favor of eugenics threads or anything like that. He's talking about give an take.

Discussion of key issues that impact all of us directly is critical. If the position on the bailout
is up for discussion, agreeing with Obama's endorsement of that is not a matter of anything other
than our opinion as citizens on matters that impact us.

I'll tell you what shocks me around the web. So called progressive sites where people come out and
say, "let GM sink" etc. There is a real disconnect when it comes to working people. Some guy wants
GM to go under because he bought a bad Chevy but he can't connect the dots to 2.5 million workers.

[we can do it]

5. Thank You

I worked my ass off getting the man elected - knocking on 100+ doors a day the month before the election - how many of you assholes who are saying get over it did the same - not too many I bet.....

[BR_Parkway]

6. Thank you for saying that - I really just don't get it anymore

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x99739

[Stinky The Clown]

8. I don't get it either ........

.... but I know that some of the people to whom we are both referring are more fans than informed. Cheerleaders. Self-appointed Kewl Kids.

I tend to simply ignore them (not put them on ignore - they amuse me too much). But I am without a gored ox, unlike you, my friend. :hug:

[Mike 03]

12. Deleted by me. Nevermind, I see... NT

[judy]

7. Thank you!!

No one, not even Obama should stop us from thinking and speaking up.
"Get over it!", is an admission of defeat, a surrender, that leads to blind acceptance of anything.
Warren is an outrage. The more people say so, the better.
Yes, it's true that Obama did not choose him himself, but a committee of people who are part of our spineless, opinionless, oblivious of accountability, Congress.
So, he should have disagreed.
He did not, we should protest.
As much as I respect and admire Obama, I intend to protest any decision of his that I disagree with! As he said in his acceptance speech, we need to participate!!

Barack, please replace Warren!!!

[Dinger]

9. KNR

[G_j]

10. oh shut up!

just kidding,

I totally agree

:applause:
K&R!

[bigtree]

11. It's been hard to explain dissents with parts of Mr. Obama's transition

. . . without having someone claim you're hurting something or the other or are now some opponent of the new president.

My back doctor called me Sean Hannity today when I talked about challenging some of his decisions and choices so far. Ouch!

I pointed out that there will come a point where folks meet the issue of concern which is most important to them to defend and will find themselves critical, perhaps, of the Obama administration. I think that counter-advocacy directed toward our own party president is wonderful and promising -- not like throwing stone at Bush, but productive lobbying with a good chance of being heard if enough of us speak out.

[ixion]

14. well said...

kicked and recommended.

[lonestarnot]

16. Second that!

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

17. So, hate-Obama pieces are perfectly acceptable when one person has offended part of our community?

Does that make sense? I don't think that makes any sense.

When "passion" steals so much oxygen that people are no longer able to "think", it is destructive.

Why not have Warren speak BEFORE a vital community of ours get their due respect and acknowledgment? Why is there an ASSUMPTION a mere speaker is going to reflect the future of the GLBT community? What's with the same level of irrational fear manipulated by the right-wing noise machine?

Noise. That's all this is,...noise.

A rational person would reflect and think and figure that, in spite of the differences among us there IS A POSSIBILITY of building a COMMON FORT.

A COMMON FORT is what all people in this nation is going to NEED (I repeat, NEED) to get through the horrible aftermath of neocon rule.

So, take a breath and STOP MAKING EXTREME ASSUMPTIONS and allow yourself to reflect and consider possibilities beyond your irrational fears.

Please.

[Joe Fields]

28. They're not "hate Obama" pieces, you idiot.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

29. If I am an idiot, what are you?

I assume you are able to characterize yourself as well as you believe you are able to classify me.

[bettyellen]

32. what's with the denigration of fears that don't concern you as "irrational"- sterotypical BS is what

how embarrassing to make light of people who are passionate about their civil rights. how easy for you not to give a fuck, and so misrepresent those fears.
just another lovely display of willfull ignorance.

[autorank]

41. "building a COMMON FORT"

With no freedom of speech, thought control in essence, just so your sensibilities won't be offended.

So we've got thought control on one side to be replaced by thought control on the other, in your version of things. What a comment!

[PVnRT]

47. How is criticism hating Obama?

Christ, it sounds like the Freepers telling anyone who criticizes Bush that they hate America.

"Why not have Warren speak BEFORE a vital community of ours get their due respect and acknowledgment?"

Are you fucking serious? How is a man who helped get Prop 8 passed in California going to get "respect" from the people whose rights he squashing? Are you so determined to be a yes man for the next four years that you will excuse anything?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. Thank you! Recommended!

[Laelth]

19. Hear, hear.

I am suspicious of all posts that tell people to STFU. More speech is always better. Well said.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[fadedrose]

20. Ah, the beauty of being a Democrat......Recommend..... nt

[Blue_In_AK]

21. Thank you, H2S

[DainBramaged]

22. Thanks, the concern trolls are back in force, and have reorganized

and I can see their shit bubbling up to the surface again.


Protest Rick Warren, protest LOUDLY.

[rhett o rick]

23. Thank you. k&r. nm

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. K&R!

:thumbsup:

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Joe Fields]

27. I've always said what's on my mind and will continue to.

I will NOT say that I don't care what anyone thinks, because I do care what people think. I always try and learn from a discussion.

But I DON'T give a damn about the idiots who say I'm destroying party unity by speaking my mind. Never have, never will.

[mmonk]

30. Cheers and clapping!

[unkachuck]

31. thank you....K&R....n/t

[Rhiannon12866]

33. Well stated. K&R.

:toast:

[Lucian]

34. Thank you.

:toast:

[Hannah Bell]

35. Thanks for that.

It's too long being told "wait, don't make waves, you'll ruin our chances for...2000...2004...the midterms...2008..."

Every filthy compromise, every gutting of principle..."oh, but we mustn't complain...they have to give in here...they have reasons we don't know...they have inside information..."

Bullshit.

Take a tip from the Republic Door strikers. If you don't hold the bastards' feet to the fire, you will NEVER GET WHAT YOU WANT.

[pleah]

36. K&R!

:)

[jtrockville]

37. Marching in lock-step = A Bad Thing.

IMO it's what brought down the GOP. They couldn't express any view contrary to the "official" view. Given this power, the GOP became corrupt, and then went on to commit high crimes (including war crimes).

That's NOT what I want for the democratic party.

[sellitman]

38. Besides, we are Demorats not lockstep Repiggies.

Sometimes that works against us but I wouldn't have it any other way.

I hate agreeing with you "Old Foul Mouthed One" but you nailed it.


:wow:

[phantom power]

39. Fucking A.

[autorank]

40. k*r This is your MASTERPIECE!

We are a free people as long as we exercise those freedoms.

Screw anybody who tells us to shut up!

Your OP are the words of a true citizen and :patriot:

[LanternWaste]

43. Absolutely agree....

I absolutely agree.

However, I do find that the labeling of a person as a bigot, or a fascist, or a nazi, or an authoritarian, etc. simply because he or she may agree or disagree with a particular position, statement, or appointment made by Pres. Obama to be a bit... disappointing.

Understandable of course, yet still rather disappointing.

[NobleCynic]

44. I don't belong to an organized political party...

I'm a Democrat, and given the option, I wouldn't have it any other way.

Gripe away good sir, gripe away.

K&R

[sofa king]

45. Tee hee. That's why I love ya, DU!

Because it doesn't matter who tells you to shut up or how or when, you will never stop venting.

I've been told more things that I didn't want to know or hear, and found myself later glad for it, than I can possibly recall.

Please, don't ever stop.

[baby_mouse]

46. THANK YOU!

[PVnRT]

48. K&R

:kick:

[DonEBrook]

49. Thanks. I don't always agree 100% with you but I sure do on this.

:toast: :D

[SidneyCarton]

50. Try the I/P forum.

[Pastiche423]

51. Thank you!

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