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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 10:27 PM
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Gimme everything ya got on PNAC, their agenda, and their crimes...
Edited on Tue Dec-16-08 10:39 PM by Texas Explorer
I just blew a Fox News kool-aid drunkard's mind and I need to close the deal. It began with me ranting about cheeney's admission today that he approved torture and when I was finished I had successfully connected the PNAC agenda and Bill Kristol and Jeb Bush with the results of the 2000 elections and, consequentially, 9/11.

I know I gave him plenty to think about but I didn't do a good enough job at tying it all together because I have a problem with verbally expressing sufficiently the overall picture. I'm hoping you guys will throw some links and sources or your own essays my way that I can print and give him (and others) to read during his lunch breaks.

Pretty please =)! Thanks!
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FreeJG Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 10:32 PM
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1. They took down the website earlier this year....
I'll continue to look for you though...
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 10:34 PM
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4. Actually, it's back up...
http://www.newamericancentury.org

I guess they just forgot to pay the bills. I have shown him that site and he about shit himself when he saw all his favorite Faux News names on their Statement of Principles page.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 10:33 PM
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2. All you can eat, baby...
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 10:34 PM
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3. Its all here; have fun!
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 10:56 PM
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6. I look at the map for PNAC and I think of the DOD Unified Command Plan map -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Combatant_Command

Centcom
Africom
EUcom

Alaska is in the Pacificcom

Either map - think one world order - one U.S. world order
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 11:06 PM
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8. You got it;
that's their idea.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 10:43 PM
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5. Here ya go...
I saved what I could from their site when it went down: http://www.congressunderfire.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=114


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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 10:59 PM
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7. Here's proof R's don't give a crap about the middle class.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122826686559774533.html

There's a discussion of Bill Kristol's 1993 strategy paper in which he says, basically, that Republicans must kill universal health care because they can't let Democrats do anything good for the middle class. If they do, they lose.

It proves they don't give a darn about the American people. They just want to win and amass power to themselves.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 11:47 PM
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9. The problem is they stole and amassed so much money they can just wit it out
Edited on Tue Dec-16-08 11:47 PM by higher class
and spend as needed to prepare for their next attempt. That was a very profitable PNAC project for a few. Thievery for a few. The most vile treatment of humans for a few. The most damage to the planet - for a few. Their PNAC is not dead.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 11:59 PM
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10. I agree. It was very profitable and very vile.
They all need to be arrested, indicted, tried, convicted, and imprisoned for their crimes against the American people and against humanity. As I say in my sig. line, the only way to slow down tyranny is to slap it down hard every time you see it.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 12:15 AM
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11. Key figures
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html?leftNavInclude

"To the left are some of neoconservatism's most influential leaders. Click on a person to learn about his background.

Irving Kristol..."


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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 12:23 AM
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12. "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm...
commonly referred to as the "Clean Break" report, was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then-Prime Minister of Israel.<1> The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on "Western values".

According to the report's preamble,<1> it was written by the Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000, which was a part of the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies. Former United States Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Perle was the "Study Group Leader", but the final report included ideas from James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break
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2hip Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 01:27 AM
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13. this one pulls it all together
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 01:49 AM
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14. k&r! nt
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 03:01 AM
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15. Keep in mind; after they leave you, they revert.
What you need to do is ask questions to get them to think about what they don't know. Then your question becomes their question and their retention rate of the information you give them is higher.

Try telling it like a story too.

Back in 1991, the Soviet Union fell. At the time, there were a number of very idealistic elite (Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perl, etc.) that saw an opportunity to make America the sovereign nation of the world. Then I ask something like; "If you were sure that you could put America at the helm of human destiny, and you had the connections and the resources to pull it off, wouldn't you go for it?"

So far, not one rightie I've talked to has frowned on the idea. Now you've got their interest.

That's when I go into what the PNAC is, what they wanted to accomplish, and how they planned on going about it.

Don't be afraid to paint the PNACers as ambitious with heroic goals for America and the world. That way you'll keep their involvement because they'll be genuinely interested in the whole story... and they won't be able to avoid certain conclusions. It works out to exchanging a brick for a jade.

Dance carefully around 9/11. Don't come right out and say they did it. Instead, give them the quote from the 1997 document "Rebuilding America's Defenses". I'm sure that by now someone else has linked to it, but here ya go anyway;

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor. "


I lead up to what the PNAC needs to accomplish; a foothold in the Middle East and strategic control of the world oil market. Then I give them the quote and say; did they get the catalyzing event they needed?

Every single one of them brought up 9/11. "Go to the head of the class", I say, "How convenient for them that bin Laden decided to attack us early in the new administration."

Now I just bring up one point; The rewriting of the air intercept protocols to bottleneck the chain of command;

The Department of Defense (DoD) protocol defining appropriate actions to be taken in the event of airspace emergencies and hijacked airplanes was rewritten after many years of successful application just three months before 9/11/01 - on June 1, under the direction of former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Painstaking reviews of that protocol document (CJCSI 3610.10A)(2) and of its predecessor (CJCSI 3610.10)(3) have revealed no meaningful changes other than its relocation under the Joint Chiefs of Staff organizational flow chart. There are sentence rewrites, altered paragraph contents, etc., but careful flow charting of each protocol leads to identical sets of expected behaviors.

As will be explained below, despite the fact that the relocated protocol is functionally identical to the earlier version, the rewrite nonetheless played a significant role in the events of 9/11. As you digest this information, keep in mind that the FAA officially cataloged 67 North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) airspace scramble/intercepts between September 2000 and June 2001(4), yet between June 1, 2001, and September 10, 2001, there were none.(5a) Following 9/11, the number of scramble/intercept events again became quite common.(4)

Each protocol - old (CJCSI 3610.10)(3) and new (CJCSI 3610.10A)(2) - defined two action tracks: 1) EMERGENT - immediate action required, or 2) NON-EMERGENT - a slower process appropriate to a typical hijacking, where demands are issued and negotiations are expected to proceed.(2, 3)

The emergent track empowers air traffic controllers to communicate immediately and directly with the military to request assistance as needed, with no further authorization required.

The slower (hijack) track was designed to allow sufficient time to notify and synchronize the highest reaches of government as processes would unfold. In those cases, a contact chain of command was clearly defined, beginning with the FAA, then continuing across to the DoD chain of command -- headed by the Secretary of Defense -- whose authorization was finally required for any military assistance given.

If the relocated protocols are functionally identical, why were they rewritten three months before 9/11? And, how is it that the number of fighter-interceptor scramble orders dropped to zero for those three months(5a), after having been so common during the months and years preceding the rewrite? Robin Hordon(5b, 5c), an experienced past FAA Air Traffic Controller, who in former years helped write airspace protocols for the government, offers a cogent explanation: when newly (re)written protocols are released, a series of briefings are given to those who will be responsible to act on them. Briefings are personal, given on a one-to-one or small "need-to-know" group basis and can contain subtle biases regarding how those in upper levels expect the protocols to be implemented.

http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/911/airspace_defense_911.htm

I sum it up thusly; "In June of 2001, the DoD changed long-standing air intercept rules that allowed quicker action, to bottlenecking the authorization to the President, Vice President, and the Secretary of Defense. We went from having lots of people that could authorize an intercept to only a few."

And then I ask; "Can you think of any good reason to make it more difficult for commanders on the ground to scramble an intercept of a hijacked plane?"

Then I leave them with; "Well, there aren't many reasons I can think of except one; if I wanted an attack on this country to succeed... it would be the one rule that I'd absolutely have to change. Otherwise I'd have hundreds of commanders on the ground who might stop it."

But why would I want to do that?
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 03:35 AM
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17. excellent! n/t
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 03:44 AM
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18. This is an excellent documentary that examines the entire PNAC context of 9/11...

http://www.hijackingcatastrophe.org/

From the wikipedia entry:

"The film maintains that fear of terrorism was manipulated to support goals which are in step with the PNAC; namely the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. Not just for control of regional strategic resources (natural gas and oil), but to reassert American dominance on the world stage as a warning to potential adversaries. Interviews were conducted with critics such as Noam Chomsky and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jody Williams. It also interviews policy analysts, military brass, journalists, insider observations from Chief UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter and Pentagon whistleblower Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski.

The historical context of the "Bush Doctrine" is examined and compared to Wolfowitz's PNAC philosophy. The film goes on to look at the "selling of American empire" and the possible economical, social, cultural and political implications it will have in America, and on the world if implemented further during Bush's second term."

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:01 AM
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23. Someday, good Dr., I would like to buy you a beer
and chat about past and current events. You tell a good tale and are a wealth of knowledge. :toast:
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 03:22 AM
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16. Look into Ergenekon & Sibel Edmonds' charges against Hastert, Feith, et al
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:08 AM
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19. Wow--all you guys are quick with the research. I didn't have the archived PNAC 101 before...
... and now I do. Thanks!

Hekate


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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 07:40 AM
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20. A little slughort of them is over at FDD (Defending Democracies) as we speak
continuing on with the plan.

Kristol/Gaffney/Perle and Co.

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/index.php?option=com_fddbios&Itemid=326

With the pudwit Clifford May as their media whore

Ever done any gardening? then you will understand... think of a slughort as a slug mating ball
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 08:04 AM
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21. Good stuff everybody. Keep it coming. Thanks! n/t
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:04 AM
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22. Self-kick for the morning crowd. n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 01:07 PM
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24. The really scary part is that the Right Wing of the Democratic Party (DLC) ...
...is infested with and currently run by some of the same people who created PNAC.

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