"God has a plan for all of us! He wants the best for us. Proposition 8 is God's will."

[Bluebear]

DISGRACEFUL.


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A way to keep marriage holy and sacred



By Roy Dixon


...Proposition 8 is not discrimination. It is a way to keep marriage holy and sacred the way God intended. Have you seen a “gay” restroom? A “gay” water fountain? A “gay” waiting room? Have you even heard of a “gay” person being lynched in the news recently? No, because those things that I named are true issues of discrimination.

Homosexuality is not a race, gender, religion issue. It's about choice and behavior. Everyone has encountered discrimination, because of the way they are shaped, the way they talk or even the color of their skin. Homosexuals were not born that way. They choose to like the same sex.

God has a plan for all of us, and we should not hinder or look away from that plan. He wants the best for us. Proposition 8 is God's will. He is the father, and every father has rules. Fathers make rules because they love their children. And children should obey the rules their fathers have given them.

As a pastor of 23 years, I believe the principles of the Bible, and I will continue to use it as my guide.

--Bishop Dixon is pastor of the Faith Chapel Church of God in Christ in San Diego.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20081204/news_lz1e4dixon.html

[muntrv]

1. 2 words: Matthew Sheperd. Just because it was over 10 years ago, doesn't

mean discrimination is gone.

[elshiva]

25. Also, Brandon Teena, "Boys Don't Cry" and

Sakia Gunn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakia_Gunn
Venus Extravaganza, a drag queen, who was murdered after a date found out that she had male genitalia, see documentary "Paris is Burning."

Lots of violent hate crimes and murders according to homophobia/transphobia, Dixon. WAKE UP!

[donco6]

2. Actually, there was a guy killed just the other day . . .

. . . because some thugs THOUGHT he was gay.

Dumbass.

[Bluebear]

6. He doesn't want gay water fountains, yet he wants separate treatment for gay couples.

[Xipe Totec]

3. Yes, Yes, and no fucking way!

God has a plan for all of us! He wants the best for us.

I give him two out of three.

[Third Doctor]

4. this particular person

has a plan for all of us. Which is you should live the way that I believe you should.

[mondo joe]

5. If every pastor, priest and minister on the planet disappeared tomorrow I wouldn't shed a tear.

I might do a little dance.

[sarcasmo]

16. You can ad religion to your statement,.

[mondo joe]

17. I'm starting at the thin edge of the wedge. NT

[Berry Cool]

18. You do realize we have people here who resemble that remark

and don't think like this guy does AT ALL????

[mondo joe]

I recognize that there are good people who fall into that category.

But sometimes the good are so outweighed by the bad and the damage they do that it's not worthwhile.

[awoke_in_2003]

26. Man will not be truly free...

until the last king is strangled with the entrials of the last priest.

[BlooInBloo]

7. (shrug) As long as he admits it's gawd's will if someone smacks his bigoted face?

So long as we ALL have equal access to The World's Stupidest Excuse, I'm down.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. Religion is not a choice and a behavior?

News to me. :shrug:

[JoePhilly]

9. Separate restrooms and water fountains ... where did I hear that before????

[Mari333]

10. That is one ignorant ass letter, isnt it. I dont think

it gets any dumber then that. I hope the follow up letters people write will straighten his sorry ass out, but I doubt he will be listening.

[Starry Messenger]

11. What the??

:banghead:

Why was this seen fit to print in a metropolitan newspaper? Or at all really. I'm having a hard time with all the bits of outrage. ARGHHH!!!

edit: more arg.

[Ilsa]

12. Here's another thread where guys were attacked by homophobic assholes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4619950&mesg_id=4619950

[surrealAmerican]

13. Silly me. I always thought ballot initiatives were there to determine ...

... the voters' will.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

14. Dear Bishop Dixon,

You and your god's "plan" can fuck right off.

Sincerely,
Hong Kong Cavalier

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

15. God has a plan for us. She wants us to love one another

and to treat others as we want to be treated.

[WoodyM]

19. Homosexuals were not born that way. They choose to like the same sex.

If this is a choice, would the pastor please tell us when he made his choice and what criteria he used in making the choice?
I heard this stated once before some many years ago and I wondered about when and I how I made my choice. As try as I may all I could recall was a time very long ago when I must have been in the second or third grade. We had been served apples as part of lunch and we were told to go outside to eat the apples. Outside on the playground boys and girls were separated by a space that neither boys nor girls were allowed in. Across that space was a group of girls, some of whom were in my class. There was one who had long blonde hair that just came down to her shoulders, the bluest eyes and most beautiful skin. She was chubby but that didn’t matter to me. She had to be the most beautify girl that I had ever seen.
One of my friends said I could not hit those girls with my apple core that I had just finished eating. I threw that apple core across that space as hard as I could and I hit her in her blonde hair. She got it tangled in her hair when she tried to get it out and some of the other girls helped her to get it out.
The boys slapped me on the back, elbowed me in the ribs, and said you got her. However I did not feel any sense of accomplishment or anything of that nature. I did know somewhere in my self that there was something about that girl that touched me deep inside, but it was not to hit her with an apple core.
There is no choice; it is something that is built into a person.

[mondo joe]

21. I personally chose during Ryan O'Neal's shirtless scene in the movie What's Up Doc.

I think I was 12 and thought he looked so fucking hot I wanted to hug the TV.

So I thought, if guys look that hot I'm going to be gay because then I could have sex with them and stuff.

[kevinbgoode]

20. Apparently God's will for this clown is to instill willful ignorance

People like this minister choose to be ignorant to cover up their own sexual inadequacies, projections, fantasies and insecurities.

The only "principles" this man believes in are heterosupremacist principles. You can bet he ain't a fan of slavery or of segregation, even though both were sanctioned by the "bible."

However, if he wants to discuss choice, perhaps we need to be asking him why HE chose a "religious" belief which expressly campaigns to persecute other American citizens, which attempts to deny them the right to marry in their own churches or seek legal protections enjoyed by heterosupremacists in his state. Perhaps he can explain how it was "God's Will' for him to choose something which enables his own insecurities and innate bigotry against other free citizens.

[JerseygirlCT]

22. Funny how they ignore those gay people who have been killed

for the crime of being gay. Perhaps Matthew Shephard wasn't technically lynched, but that's a technicality that I don't think holds much water.

This is an absurd and bigoted piece of apologetics for a backward view of Christian theology. I guess 23 years hasn't been long enough - maybe the Rev. is a slow learner?

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. God Jesus Age, slavery was justified using the bible too

does not mean it was right...

Or perhaps we should bring back the slave pens and markets

:sarcasm:

There are days... I want to slap these men across to see if we can get them to realize just how many ways from here to Sunday is the sacred book used to justify social evils

[elshiva]

24. Religion is a choice and a behavior, Dixon.

No one is born a Christian. Also, how come you can talk for god and not Bishop Gene Robinson or gay clergy, hmmm?

[jonnyblitz]

27. stop bashing christianity!!!111

thank gawd this preacher isn't a catholic priest or we would have to suffer through another one of "those" threads for criticizing him..:puke:

[mondo joe]

28. ...

[JackBeck]

31. You loveable bastid. I was saving that one.

:evilgrin:

[mondo joe]

32. As your cosponsor I am entitled to jump the gun.

:fistbump:

[jonnyblitz]

33. my favorite pie.

:hi:

[JackBeck]

35. Most Catholics have an arrogance that reminds me of many Americans.

Most Catholics think they reside on the top of the the Christian hierarchy. Once they realize that isn't the case, they just might start to make a little bit of difference in social policy.

[WhollyHeretic]

43. .

[donco6]

49. No kidding. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

29. He's on MySpace!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=246198812

Yikes.

Oh, this is *very* interesting:

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:sSgaV0-RwAoJ:www.protectmarriageca.com/assets/SpeakerOutlineforJuly30.pdf+cogic+roy+dixon+prop+8&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a

A worksheet full of action items for Prop 8 for some kind of interfaith pow-wow. IRS, are you listening?

[salguine]

30. Gee, Bishop Dixon, I'm just trying to find the words to...oh, yeah—fuck you!

[IndianaGreen]

34. Another black preacher spewing the religion of white slave owners

The Bible, which is a very interesting and here and there very profound book when considered as one of the oldest surviving manifestations of human wisdom and fancy, expresses this truth very naively in its myth of original sin. Jehovah, who of all the good gods adored by men was certainly the most jealous, the most vain, the most ferocious, the most unjust, the most bloodthirsty, the most despotic, and the most hostile to human dignity and liberty - Jehovah had just created Adam and Eve, to satisfy we know not what caprice; no doubt to while away his time, which must weigh heavy on his hands in his eternal egoistic solitude, or that he might have some new slaves. He generously placed at their disposal the whole earth, with all its fruits and animals, and set but a single limit to this complete enjoyment. He expressly forbade them from touching the fruit of the tree of knowledge. He wished, therefore, that man, destitute of all understanding of himself, should remain an eternal beast, ever on all-fours before the eternal God, his creator and his master. But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge.

We know what followed. The good God, whose foresight, which is one of the divine faculties, should have warned him of what would happen, flew into a terrible and ridiculous rage; he cursed Satan, man, and the world created by himself, striking himself so to speak in his own creation, as children do when they get angry; and, not content with smiting our ancestors themselves, he cursed them in all the generations to come, innocent of the crime committed by their forefathers. Our Catholic and Protestant theologians look upon that as very profound and very just, precisely because it is monstrously iniquitous and absurd. Then, remembering that he was not only a God of vengeance and wrath, but also a God of love, after having tormented the existence of a few milliards of poor human beings and condemned them to an eternal hell, he took pity on the rest, and, to save them and reconcile his eternal and divine love with his eternal and divine anger, always greedy for victims and blood, he sent into the world, as an expiatory victim, his only son, that he might be killed by men. That is called the mystery of the Redemption, the basis of all the Christian religions. Still, if the divine Savior had saved the human world! But no; in the paradise promised by Christ, as we know, such being the formal announcement, the elect will number very few. The rest, the immense majority of the generations present and to come, will burn eternally in hell. In the meantime, to console us, God, ever just, ever good, hands over the earth to the government of the Napoleon Thirds, of the William Firsts, of the Ferdinands of Austria, and of the Alexanders of all the Russias.

Bakunin. God and the State, 1871

http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/bakunin/works/godstate/ch01.htm

[Dukkha]

36. and God's plan for Dixon is to make a public ass of himself

Like that hilarious prank he played on Pat Robertson to run for president in 88

[tnlefty]

37. Not again!!

My spouse and I considered a pre-emptive divorce when the draconian measure was brought up for a vote in TN, which regrettably passed.

Dammit, I suppose we'll have to yet again consider our marriage under threat. We're not responsible for our marriage, it's the gays! Could someone point me to the "gay" water fountain? :evilgrin:

And on a much sadder note, why is this 'pastor' mentioning lynching, which is a sad part of the past of my state.....

[RainDog]

38. where the fuck does he get his evidence that homosexuality is a choice?

i didn't "choose" to be heterosexual. I showed distinct heterosexual tendencies in 1st grade when I kissed a boy in the cloakroom - and I never looked back. When I was in fourth grade, my friends and I would have sleep overs - we didn't want to sleep with one another, however. Instead, we thought about cute boys until we made ourselves "boy crazy." When we were "boy crazy" we would feel all shivery and we'd toss our pillows in the air and catch them and hug them. (I swear this hokum is true.)

I realize that I could have been overly influenced by my peers into thinking that my attraction to boys was "normal." But it never went away... well, with the exception of when I was nursing my sons and my hormones didn't have a word for sex.

Religion is a choice. Sexual orientation seems to be a little more hardwired than the name you scream when you're having an orgasm.

[Deep13]

47. It's a conclusion of elimination.

Since the Bible cannot be wrong, nor god unjust, the only conclusion remaining is the demonstrably false one that homosexuality is a choice.

Anyway, even if it is a choice, so what?

[Solon]

39. Address, phone number and e-mail for this church...

4999 Holly Dr. San Diego, CA

Phone: [phone]

FAX: [phone]

The Bishop's email: [email protected]

I say we blow up his e-mail box with stories of violence and murders of GLBT people. Shame the motherfucker if possible.

[elshiva]

40. Thank you, honey.

:hug:

[elshiva]

41. This is an e-mail that I am sending Dixon.

Dear Bishop Dixon,

I wanted to answer your question "Have you even heard of a ?gay? person being lynched in the news recently?" Have you heard of Sakia Gunn? An African-American woman killed because she was a lesbian? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakia_Gunn
Have you heard of Matthew Sheppard murdered because he was gay? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard
Brandon Teena murdered for being a transperson and lesbian? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena
Venus Extravaganza, a black transvestite murdered for being herself?
http://www.greenleft.org.au/1992/55/3267

Discrimination, hatred, and violence is a real presence in this country. Anti-gay legislation makes it "okay" to mistreat GLBT citizens. Prop 8 is nothing to be thankful about.
Signed,
elshiva

[Contrary1]

42. Ok...I am half asleep. I read that last part of your subject line as:

"Preparation H is God's will". :rofl:

I suppose it makes just about as much sense.

[Bluebear]

45. Funny! And true!

:toast:

[Orsino]

44. Bishop Dixon worships a god of hate. n/t

[Deep13]

46. Must I again summon Captain Obvious to the rescue?

You (Dixon) have no right to insist that the general population conform to the dogma of your religion. Presumably, gay people who want to marry are not members of your church and have no duty to abide by its laws. Besides, even if god were real, and he isn't--the small-mindedness of his preoccupation of primate sexuality attests to that--you cannot possible know what that god wants. Even if you did know, this is our country, not god's. It is up to us and our Constitutional legal system to make this decision, not god's. There is no public policy reason for opposing gay marriage and many reasons for supporting it. Capt. Obvious, therefore, must conclude that the right answer is obvious.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. Everyday another great witness

Ah, the glory that is faithiness.

[mnhtnbb]

50. Hey Roy, you can use the principles of the Bible for your guide as much as you wish. Just don't

try to force your religion on everybody else. That is what you are doing. And I for one, am not
interested in your patriarchal bullshit.

My marriage is not threatened in the slightest by the fact that my gay son may wish to get married some day. I look forward to being mother of the groom at the weddings of both my sons--gay and straight--
and I'm not interested in having you and your religion deprive me of that privilege.